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Trash-To-Gas Power Plant Gets Greenlight

An anonymous reader writes "Beginning in a little more than a week, Green Power, Inc. of Pasco, Washington will be commencing the building of municipal-solid-waste-to-fuel plants for clients around the world, with $2 billion in contracts; now that an EPA ruling has exonerated GPI from an unnecessary shut-down order by the Washington Ecology Department last year. This fuel would be of higher quality and cheaper than fuel derived from crude oil — and it comes from local feedstock, while turning waste into energy. Now your laptop can turn into a quart of diesel fuel to power your trip to the dump. And the ocean gyres of trash the size of Texas can power Texas. This is an update on a Slashdot story from nine months ago.

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  1. Make like a Tree and Leave by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    During early winter our yard has an almost 6-inch layer of leaves. If a service would scoop them up and take them away for free, they could use them for fuel. It would benefit 3 parties: us (leaf removal), the leaf processing company, and The Planet.

    1. Re:Make like a Tree and Leave by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like a great way to impoverish the soil even further. The trash burning I can sort of understand because a lot of these things do not degrade as easily and they take up a lot of volume. Plus a concrete and asphalt city could care less about soil conditions.

    2. Re:Make like a Tree and Leave by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      Make like a tree, and get out of here!!

      Will this mean I can power my time machine with banana peals?

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    3. Re:Make like a Tree and Leave by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Banana peals? How do you ring a banana?

      Oh.

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  2. Re:Gyres by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those gyres are not what you think they are.

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  3. Re:Most likely, yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes but it will probably clog the gas line filter.

  4. Government in action again by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From TFA:

    In August of 2009, GPI was shut down by Washington state's Ecology Department who said GPI had "not provided adequate compliance with the environmental air quality regulations." This was cleared on September 8, 2010 by an EPA ruling that support's GPI's claim and reverses Washington state's Ecology Department's claim that placed the GPI process in the class of incinerators, which it is not.

    So the government of my state caused major problems for GPI, and the federal government had to overrule the state. That's just great.

    According to TFA, GPI's plant operates using "a proprietary catalytic pressure-less depolymerization process (CDP)" yet the state Department of Ecology (DoE) insisted on regulating the plant as if it were an incinerator plant, which it clearly isn't.

    We have a liberal Democrat for a governor, the Democrats have a complete lock on the state legislature, and plenty of liberal voters. Our governor claims to be in favor of the environment, in favor of business that helps the state, in favor of jobs, etc. Where was she when the state DoE was causing these problems?

    I really wonder at the politics behind this. If this is random bureaucrats just being pointlessly bureaucratic, why didn't any other part of government get involved and help resolve this? Where were the state senators and representatives from the Pasco area? Did the governor just never hear of this, and if so, how is that possible?

    If I were governor and something like this happened, I would very publicly intervene. There's no political downside! The governor has more power than bureaucrats at the DoE, and the voters would love to hear that a green energy project was helped out. So why didn't that happen?

    P.S. This of course reminds me of the other thermal depolymerization plant, the plant in Carthage, Missouri that processed turkey offal into energy and fuel. That plant was shut down several times, over allegations of a bad smell; the bad smell was reported at least once on a day that the plant wasn't operating. Eventually they installed upgraded scrubbers on their exhaust stacks and resumed operation. The company, Changing World Technologies went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy and I guess the TDP plant was shut down. That seems crazy to me; the price of crude oil is high, so they should be able to run their plant at a profit. I guess they are just in too much trouble financially to even run the plant right now?

    I hope this "CDP" plant in Pasco works out better than the Changing Worlds one did.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Government in action again by greggle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is not as cut-and-dried as TFA (I prefer to call it press-release journalism) claims.

      From the Tri-City Herald: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2010/11/21/1260850/pasco-biomass-company-plans-to.html

      There are plenty of so-called businessmen out there with grandiose plans of converting biomass to energy without any pollution. Unfortunately, this sounds like one of them.

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    2. Re:Government in action again by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are plenty of so-called businessmen out there with grandiose plans of converting biomass to energy without any pollution. Unfortunately, this sounds like one of them.

      If you read the related links, you will see that GPI really can produce a quality product; according to this page you can take the output of their test plant and pour it into the tank of a diesel truck and it will just work. And if you read the claims, it seems it doesn't pollute the air while doing it (impurities from the input stream come out the far end as some sort of solid). Some combustible gas is produced as a by-product of the reaction (methane, I guess) and they plan to burn that to provide power to operate the plant, making it self-fueling. (The same thing is true of the Changing Worlds plant that converts turkey offal to oil.) In short, if these web pages are true, GPI is not making "grandiose claims" that aren't true.

      Also, GPI seems to have some real problems paying bills on time. That has nothing to do with the technology. (And the Washington state DoE shutting them down didn't exactly help GPI to pay their bills on time.)

      It seems the DoE shut them down because the DoE believes that GPI should have filed some paperwork related to burning trash. GPI went to the federal EPA and got a ruling that their process does not fall into the category of burning trash, and thus the DoE was wrong to require trash-burning paperwork.

      I'm wondering if GPI could have avoided the problems by talking to the DoE more up front. One of the articles quoted a DoE representative as saying that the DoE had no idea what might come out of this plant, since nobody from GPI had filed any paperwork. But GPI filed paperwork with the EPA... are we to believe they withheld details of their process from the Washington state government but were willing to disclose the details to the EPA? If so, why?

      I can't sleuth out the truth by reading all the newspaper articles on the web, so I don't know for sure what exactly is going on. I just hope that they get this thing going... efficiently turning waste into usable fuel is a win every way you look at it.

      They claim they can produce diesel at a cost of less than $0.80 per gallon; at gas stations near me, diesel costs over four times that much, so they ought to be able to sell all the diesel they can make at a tidy profit. Then maybe they can pay back all the people to whom they owe money.

      steveha

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  5. Re:Laptops are NOT "feedstock". by VTI9600 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, I think they are referring primarily to plastics that get thrown in the trash. "Feedstock" is just a generic term for the raw material that goes into any type of factory. Since your laptop's outer shell is probably made of plastic, it could theoretically be used in this process. Busted laptops are e-waste (i.e. hazardous material), hence the special regulations that govern the disposal and recycling thereof. Considering this, I doubt that they could be used as raw feedstock for the fuel-creation process. However, after a bit of dismantling, the plastic bits could be separated from the rest and fed into this factory.

    Nevertheless, I agree that randomly claiming that 1 laptop == 1 quart of diesel fuel is just plain silly...

    Now your laptop can turn into a quart of diesel fuel to power your trip to the dump.

    ...and what makes this guy think my car runs on diesel anyway? ;-)

  6. Re:Gyres by Anachragnome · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The summary must be joking about the ocean gyres."

    There are questions about the guy running this company, up here in Washington state.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_pasco_biomass.html

    http://pesn.com/2009/08/07/9501560_CEO_appealing_GreenPowerInc_shut-down_order/

    Some have voiced serious concerns that this is all snake-oil, primarily because the man hides behind "trade secrets" protection and doesn't really have to discuss how all this works(precisely the reason state regulators shut him down--they cannot really know if he is in compliance if they don't know what he is doing, and so far he hasn't told them). He has also failed to pay some of his employees yet claims he will be hiring up to 500 more employees even though the technical data suggests he only needs 5 people per shift, had the company's demonstration truck burn down, and according to the Seattle PI article, been evicted from his plant location.

    The one curious thing is that the military tested his technology and actually published some hard numbers that to me seem rather impressive. Makes me wonder what sort of "garbage" went through his test plant.

      http://pesn.com/2010/02/19/959019_GPI_3rd-party_test_results_trash-to-fuel/

    This is the best time-line I was able to find in regards to this company (not surprisingly, from the same website as the submitted article).

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Green_Power_Inc's_NanoDiesel:Catalytic_Pressureless_Depolymerization_(Oiling)

    At least the writer of the submitted article is up front--"Note: I have a relationship with GPI, so this report is not truly independent." says the caption accompanying the photo in the article.

    Can you say "media blitz"?