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Former Employee Stole Ford Secrets Worth $50 Million

chicksdaddy writes "A ten year veteran of US automaker Ford pleaded guilty in federal court on November 17 to charges that he stole company secrets, including design documents, valued at between $50 million and $100 million, and shared them with his new employer: the Chinese division of a US rival of Ford's. Xiang Dong ('Mike') Yu admitted to copying some 4,000 Ford Documents to an external hard drive, including design specifications for key components of Ford automobiles, after surreptitiously taking a job with a China-based competitor in 2006. Yu, who took a job for Beijing Automotive Company in 2008, was arrested during a stopover at Chicago in October, 2009. The FBI seized his Beijing Automotive-issued laptop, and an analysis found 41 stolen Ford specification documents on the hard drive. He faces five to six years in prison and a $150,000 fine (PDF)."

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  1. Wake up, people. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    valued at between $50 million and $100 million

    That's probably an inflated value. When companies get burned like this, they generally vastly overstate the value of the stolen goods.

    and shared them with his new employer: the Chinese division of a US rival of Ford's.

    Hello boys and girls. Can you say "tip of the iceberg?" I knew you could.

    He faces five to six years in prison and a $150,000 fine (PDF).

    Good. And before we judge if that seems too harsh a punishment, I would ask if anyone knows what the Chinese government would do to an American engineer who did the same thing to a Chinese company.

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    1. Re:Wake up, people. by toastar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Good. And before we judge if that seems too harsh a punishment, I would ask if anyone knows what the Chinese government would do to an American engineer who did the same thing to a Chinese company.

      8 years

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/04/chinese-court-sentences-geologist-tortured-state-security-agents-years-jail-1624851947/

    2. Re:Wake up, people. by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I bet that hypothetical American Engineer would avoid stop-overs in Beijing.

    3. Re:Wake up, people. by jms · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suppose that by failing to elaborate on how they came up with the value, they invite speculation.

      Sometimes, when asked the value of a document, companies will give a figure that corresponds to the cost of producing that document. In other words, if you were to add up all the engineer-hours involved in designing a car, it might add up to $50-$100M. Since Ford is not deprived of access to their own design (because they still have copies of it), this does not represent $50-$100M losses to Ford. They could be saying that, by stealing the design, the Chinese company saved themselves $50-$100M in engineering costs, but that explanation isn't really complete, because the design was manufactured, so the Chinese company could easily buy one and reverse engineer it. So, by stealing the design, the Chinese company at the most saved themselves the cost of a full reverse-engineering job on the Ford car. This might still be a substantial figure. However, automobile manufacturers regularly buy each others products and reverse engineer them anyway, to keep track of what the competition is doing, so the Chinese auto company's engineers were probably already pretty familiar with the basic Ford design before they stole the documents. They probably had already done most of the reverse engineering. These documents let them fill in the gaps in their knowledge.

      This has damaged Ford to the extent that the design revealed trade secrets that the Chinese car company might not have been able to reverse engineer from existing cars. This might allow them to improve their cars to the extent that some number of people choose to buy Chinese cars instead of Fords. That is the real value of the stolen documents and might be worth $50-$100 million or more.

    4. Re:Wake up, people. by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Chinese division of a US rival of Ford's."

      Sounds like american companies doing it to each other, to me.

      All the manufacturing companies in China must be majority owned by a local Chinese company which is owned by Chinese citizens. So it may be a joint venture partnership "division" of a US rival who owns a large chunk, but no, it is not just two US companies involved.

    5. Re:Wake up, people. by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It could also be that the design docs were from the manufacturing process rather than the product itself. The process engineering behind a plant could easily be worth significantly more than even $100M because the plants today cost upwards of $1B to design, build, and furnish and the lifetime efficiency gains for a well engineered plant can also reach into the billions.

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    6. Re:Wake up, people. by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe not american, still accusation is theft of state secrets: 10 years prison.

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/rio-tintos-stern-hu-jailed-10-years/story-e6frg9df-1225847088979

  2. A word to the wise ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    The FBI seized his Beijing Automotive-issued laptop, and an analysis found 41 stolen Ford specification documents on the hard drive.

    Dear "Mike",

    When you get out, and if you decide to again play industrial spy, try this

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  3. Does this mean all the Chinese cars are going to by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    have bad power steering pumps and short life torque converters from now on?

    (sorry, had to go there, the problems I've had to deal with on my own/families/friends Fords the most)

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  4. Re:Why by toastar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are you real asking why is theft illegal?

  5. Pffft...amateur... by afabbro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Small potatoes

    "Lopez was head of purchasing for GM and defected abruptly to VW in 1993. GM accused Lopez of masterminding the theft of more than 20 boxes of documents on research, manufacturing and sales. The world's largest international corporate espionage case officially ended in 1997, when VW admitted no wrongdoing but settled the civil suit by agreeing to pay GM $100 million in cash and spend $1 billion on GM parts over seven years.

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  6. Re:Does this mean all the Chinese cars are going t by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ford's been doing better. Over the last decade, they've built up some engineer teams in Europe (is it flamebait to say they are better because they are away from US unions?) who really are doing top notch work. The Fusion, for example, ranked #1 in its category for reliability. The Mustang has 300 horsepower at 30 MPG. I own a Honda, but if Ford continues the direction they're going, my next car may well be a Ford. Now if only they would do something about that horrid logo.....

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  7. Re:Why by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Informative

    When trade secrets are involved it's called theft, not copyright infringement.

    "Theft" is when the original owner is deprived by the action. In this case, the trade secrets were stolen, because the original owner was deprived of the secret (as its not secret any more).

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  8. Re:Why by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

    The U.S. Economic Espionage Act of 1996, which became effective on January 1, 1997, makes theft or misappropriation of trade secrets a federal crime.

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  9. You can bet there are many more Chinese spys - by HW_Hack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    - hard at work stealing our information and creative processes. People (that includes politicians + CEOs) just tend to forget that China is not some quaint country that has rules of law and enforces those laws. This is a state run government and economy - anything goes to enrich the state and acrue power. We've already sent most of our production machines over there - now they are coming back to collect any intellectual property they can grab as well.

    They are starting to eat our lunch and will shortly just take our lunch money

    And contrary to some comments -- Ford makes some damn fine vehicles -- I dearly miss my 2001 F-150 4x4 - great truck

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  10. Re:Does this mean all the Chinese cars are going t by happyhamster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>Europe (is it flamebait to say they are better because they are away from US unions?)

    Probably yes, because:

    1) Workers in good old Europe have stronger unions than the withering joke the U.S. has.

    2) European workers enjoy a terrific safety net which looks like the great wall of china compared to the spider web the U.S. wage slaves have. Never underestimate explosion of creativity in a geek who feels safe for economic future of his family.

  11. Sentence by Andy+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "five to six years in prison and a $150,000 fine"

    Can you imagine how awfully unbalanced it would seem if people got lesser sentences for causing death by dangerous driving?