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Homeland Security Drops Color-Coded Terror Alerts

Hugh Pickens writes "The LA Times reports that the Homeland Security Department is poised to end its five-tiered, color-coded terrorism warning system, a post-Sept. 11 endeavor that has been called too vague to be useful and has been mostly ignored or mocked by the public. The domestic security advisory system was created in 2002 under then-Secretary Tom Ridge and in 2004, the department began assigning color threat levels to general targets such as aviation, financial services and mass transit. However the Department hasn't changed the alert level in four years, even after the attempted bombing of a flight to Detroit on Christmas Day 2009 and the alert level has only been elevated to red once, on Aug. 10, 2006, when British police disrupted a plot to detonate liquid explosives on airliners. Although it is unknown what, if anything, will replace the color-coded alerts, a senior Homeland Security official, who did not want to speak on the record about a decision still under review, says that 'the goal is to replace a system that communicates nothing.'" Can't we just re-use the big DefCon displays from Wargames?

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  1. A programmers approach by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Disclaimer: I’m Canadian, so my view of this whole color coded terror alert thing may be a bit off.

    Rather than trying to produce something that “provides more information”, try producing something that directly satisfies someones requirements.

    Who wants this information. What are they going to do with it? Lets say we are a financial institution and our terror alert is high.. what does this mean to us? How does it change our activities for today? What threat specific info would be useful in guiding us?

    I think “levels” are kind of silly.. the information should be self explanatory and maybe in bulletin form. “There was an attempted bombing. We are not sure if this is isolated or part of a larger plot. Similar institutions or people in the same geographic area should be on the lookout for: whatever.” If there is a transit bombing.. then other transit institutions should be notified and some kind of established procedures should go into effect.

    Using colors I think was especially silly, because paraphrasing Lewis Black (with less profanity), every time they talk about the color they have to explain what it means anyway.

    1. Re:A programmers approach by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, and

      Burma Shave

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    2. Re:A programmers approach by line-bundle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is bad even for a troll. The above (like this response) has nothing to do with the article at hand, not even tangentially.

      Read the masters before trolling. It takes practice, and years of refining.

    3. Re:A programmers approach by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about "Warning! Some bad shit may happen somewhere on planet Earth! Be careful!"

    4. Re:A programmers approach by Anrego · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "News for nerds"

      A large portion of the slashdot crowd (and nerds in general) have an interest in security (and security theater).

      This is more slashdot-ish than a lot of stuff I've seen in the last few years.

    5. Re:A programmers approach by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agreed with you until you said planet Earth.

      The solar system is too large. Someone making a statement could very easily attack the Washington Monument, the face on Mars and the Apollo landing site all at the same time. Limiting yourself to a planet is limiting.

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    6. Re:A programmers approach by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No system can help. It's not the specificity of the system that's the problem, it's that it's being run by Chicken Little.

      The terror threat went to RED, meaning attack imminent based on the group in the U.K. that were allegedly working on a binary explosive. What we don't hear as often is that it could never have been made to work ever (unless they could somehow talk the flight attendant into letting them take 50 pounds of ice into the lav), and they didn't even have passports needed to board a flight to the U.S. In spite of that, we still can't take liquids on the plane to this day. (BTW, the final result of the chemistry is a white crystalline powder, so it's not like the liquid ban will help if they mix it in advance).

      The terror threat NEVER got below yellow even for a second. An alarm that never stops sounding eventually becomes background noise and then means nothing at all.

      Meanwhile, the special procedures supposed to go into effect with a higher threat level never actually caught anyone doing anything anywhere. Not once.

      People don't make fun of the alert system because it was inherently silly, they make fun of it because the people running the system are silly. The color code just provides us with a gauge of how silly they are.

      People will make fun of the new system as well. That's not because of the system, it's because the same silly cowards will be running it.

    7. Re:A programmers approach by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someone on here had a sig like:

      "Be afraid...be yellow afraid...now be orange afraid! Good dog."

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    8. Re:A programmers approach by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People will make fun of the new system as well. That's not because of the system, it's because the same silly cowards will be running it.

      To prove your point "One alternative under consideration is to change to only two threat levels: elevated and imminent."

      "Elevated?" From what? From what we'd like it to be? From what we assumed it was before 9/11? From

      I'm guessing this is how the new threat level indicator was conceived: A TSA head was wondering how he could convince people to still be afraid and get their congressmen to keep increasing the TSA budget as he wandered into a McDonalds. He asked for a diet coke, small. The cashier said "We only have large, extra large, and jumbo." He said "The smallest size is large? You're just trying to convince people they're getting more when actually.... ohhhhhhhh...."

  2. Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Alert by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any higher level alert will be avoided as it could cause a panic and play into the terrorists' hands.

    Any lower level alert will never be used because by design the war on terror is a perpetual war . And ending the crisis would constitute the government surrendering power back to the people, which they don't want to do.

  3. How about a car analogy? by Jojoba86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not use probability average American will get killed in a car accident divided by probability they will be killed by a terrorist.

    It gives a useful comparison, is verifiable and makes the danger level obvious to all.

    1. Re:How about a car analogy? by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not use probability average American will get killed in a car accident divided by probability they will be killed by a terrorist.

      Because then the Palin administration will successfully reduce the threat of terrorism by banning seat belts.

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  4. Replacement by JohnyDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet the replacement will be 2-way switch with labels "Terror" and "More Terror" glued shut in the latter position.

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    1. Re:Replacement by ddxexex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to the article the replacement is 'elevated' and 'imminent'. With imminent they have to say why it is imminent and give a reasonably specific reason why. So you were right about the switch, but it sounds like they are going to at least toggle the switch once or twice before it gets stuck.

    2. Re:Replacement by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Funny

      And every time you try to switch it to "Terror" instead, it explodes?

  5. Suggested levels by Trip6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Saddam" (i.e. no threat)
    "Oh shit, I might have bounced a check"
    "Oh shit, I bounced a check"
    "OMG"
    "OMFG"
    "Pant-shitting"

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    1. Re:Suggested levels by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      No no, this is slashdot - stick to the theme. I propose:

      -"It's just a PEBKAC"
      -"Goddammit, one of the RAID drives died"
      -"Aww fuck, the PHBs are switching us over to Outlook"
      -"What do you mean, you typed rm -rf?"
      -The Data Centre is now a swimming pool"

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  6. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's Blakley's Law:

    "Every public alert system's status indicator rises until it reaches its disaster imminent setting and remains at that setting until it is retired from service."

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  7. I think we should use textures... by Assmasher · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...as threat indicators, I mean come on, how cool would it be to hear "*ding**dong*The Department of Homeland Security has deemed the current threat level to be 'Tapioca'"

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  8. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Alert

    Yes, this is the problem.

    The last time flew into Denver from Canada, they kept saying over the loudspeaker in the airport that we were at Threat Level Orange. I assumed this was something new and that I should brace for even worse security.

    When I asked my US counterparts what was up, they basically said the same thing ... they've been at Threat Level Orange (it sounds much more official with the caps) for most of the last decade, and that they've stopped listening to it -- pretty much the whole country. In fact, they joked about it because it had ceased to be meaningful in any way. It seems to have become a perpetual state from which nobody will ever be moved. I fear, as you say, they would never allow us to go back to normal, because they'd have to give up their new-found control.

    We have always been at war with Oceana (or is that us? I get so confused).

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  9. Calibration time. by Apuleius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yesterday most of the TSA's whole boddy scanners were idled, and very few passengers were asked to go through them. This way the TSA was able to claim that only a small number of people opted out (since only a small number of people were made to choose between getting pornscanned or gateraped.)

    So apparently, the threat of bad PR and long lines from National Opt Out Day was a bigger threat than Al Qaeda. That is a more informative datum than the color code.

    So clearly, people should chill the fuck out, we are not under a great thread, and it's time to quit pornscanning and fear mongering.

    And also, it's time to change the thread scale from the color code to a scale of bitchiness, i.e. how bitchy do you have to be to be considered a bigger concern than Al Qaeda. Yesterday was clearly around a 2 out of 10 (i.e. "Meh") on any bitchiness scale. Even a slight level of bitchiness was enough to be a bigger concern than Al Qaeda. If Osama and his guys get some respite from dodging the Hellfire missiles and plan an actual attack, the level will rise all the way to 10/10 ("Reno 911").

    Howzat?

  10. Poorly-constructed joke by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't we just re-use the big DefCon displays from Wargames?

    While I realize that the submitter was just cracking a joke, it's actually pretty lame on an important level (...probably on some unimportant ones, too, but I digress).

    The DEFCON (Defence Readiness Condition) system is in many ways the antithesis to the obscure TSA color-coded alerts. DEFCON assigns its lowest level (5) to the 'normal' state of preparedness -- none of this nonsense with a perpetual orange alert; if something is usual practice then that's the lowest condition.

    Under DEFCON rules (or the terorrism-related FPCON rules), members of the military have specific, clearly delineated responsibilities and tasks. There is a firm grasp of the meaning and intent of each condition. In contrast, telling civilians they're facing threat level Orange (or Yellow, or Red) doesn't mean anything. We don't know what to do differently - if anything - and we don't know what might happen, or how to respond, or when the condition might be returned to normal.

    Of course, I also recognize that my message header could serve as an apt description of the whole color-coded threat warning system....

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  11. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok then, here's my public status indicator: #FFFFFF

    That is all.

  12. Re:This actually makes sense by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Getting rid of it makes sense. Replacing it with something else doesn't. The true threat level can't be communicated to the general public as it would cause awkward questions. The current situation raises one awkward question that seems unpatriotic to ask. "Why is there always a threat of terrorism?"

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  13. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by bunratty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get serious. There's a doubleplusgood reason we've always been at war with Eurasia.

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  14. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by arivanov · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stop winging.

    At "green" condition in the days when I was living in Brezhnev's Soviet Union at the age of 10 (year 4 in their school system) I was supposed to know all the first aid stuff, be able to disassemble an AK47, service it and reassemble it in under 3 minutes, know how to use a gas mask, shoot at least 70+ score (1-10 additive, 10 shots) with a sport .22 or an air rifle as well as know all civil defence codes. I left around that time, however based on what I was told by my ex-classmates it actually got worse during Andropov's days with kids at the age of 12-13 being trained to use AK and PK for real and drills in schools.

    The modern western world has not seen what a "forever war" means just yet. It has a long way to go to that and even longer to get to the Stalin's "war against the Trust" of the 1930-es.

    It also is yet to see the real effect on the population of "not giving a f*ck". We are still far off from the days of "Brezhnev's despair". We are getting there though. It looks like some of the candidates to rule the biggest powers of the western world are demonstrating his educational level and IQ.

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  15. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any lower level alert will never be used because by design the war on terror is a perpetual war . And ending the crisis would constitute the government surrendering power back to the people, which they don't want to do.

    Well, that's the obligatory cynical take on it. The more obvious reason is: if and when the next terror attack occurs, whomever was responsible for lowering the alert status most recently would inevitably be sacked for "taking their eye off the ball". And nobody wants to be the one holding that hot potato.

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  16. Eight years by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It takes eight years of public mockery for the TSA to drop a useless system. Not hate, mockery.

    So drop the hate and up the mockery for the rapey-scan machines, and you might be able to fly in or out of the US without the TSA looking at or touching your private parts by 2018!

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  17. Re:Lies and damned lies by daem0n1x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, how will they manage to divert attention every time a political scandal happens in the US or UK?

  18. Re:Lies and damned lies by winwar · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Simple, we go to Def Con 5!"

    We already are at DefCon 5.

    Please turn in your Geek card now.

  19. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by amRadioHed · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually that's not funny if you read the post. He is contrasting the WHO flu warnings which actually work to the public alert systems like the DHS color alerts which don't. That the avian flu warning has gone down since his post while the DHS alert is still at orange (for flights) backs up his point exactly.

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  20. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Y'know, I realize you're trying to be facetious, but by definition, 50% of the population has an IQ under 100.

    ...at the time the tests were last normalized. If American's are getting dumber at a fast enough rate his numbers could very well be correct.

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  21. No Emergency Broadcast System Alert 9/11/2001 by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I also note that on 9/11/2001 there were no Emergency Broadcast System alerts issued, even in NYC, or in DC, as both the Pentagon and the World Trade Center were violently attacked. Despite several generations of Americans being trained that such an attack would be followed by such an alert, "in the event of an actual emergency".

    I wonder if those nuke warheads even work.

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  22. Re:Obsolete because we will always be at Orange Al by Lanteran · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oceana is the Americas, Australia, GB and shifting territory around the equator. Eurasia is- Eurasia minus china, plus the shifting territory. Eastasia is china, japan, the pacific that's not oceana and shifting territories.

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