Wikileaks Competitor In the Works

airfoobar writes "From TFA: 'A group of former members of WikiLeaks is planning to launch its own whistleblowing platform in mid-December, according to a German newspaper. The activists criticize WikiLeaks for concentrating too much on the US and want to take a broader approach.'"

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Broader approach

[mcgrew]

The activists criticize WikiLeaks for concentrating too much on the US and want to take a broader approach.'"

More broads? Sounds good to me...

Good

[Anonymous Coward]

More leaking and less bragging about what they are sitting on and are going to release in a few weeks.

Re:Good

[dkleinsc]

I don't care about the bragging. I do think, though, that the more leaking the better.

Most of the really foul stuff that the public has ever discovered about their government has been via leaks. There used to be investigative journalists that would try to make those leaks happen. But eventually most news organizations realized that they depended on easy access to insider sources, and the way to keep that access was to cover things the way those insider sources wanted them covered, so as a result instead of meeting Deep Throat in a parking garage we have reporters lining up to deep throat Scooter Libbey in exchange for the latest scoop on Joe Wilson's wife (for example). So now we need citizen efforts to make those leaks happen, and I view Wikileaks as a proof of concept as well as a source of specific leaks.

Although I should mention that the bragging probably is one of the things that keeps Wikileaks' personnel alive right now. If Assange is killed, then Wikileaks can respond by releasing the key to the Insurance file, or by releasing any of the numerous things it's sitting on.

Re:Good

[drinkypoo]

Can't Slashdotters ever shut up about this? We've had this discussion 1 million times now. Copying != stealing, but not paying someone == stealing. No one needs to hear the argument again, especially when it's very offtopic to drag it in. Sheesh, the guy's metaphor had nothing to do with copyright violation.

He was making precisely the same kind of mistake, so the comparison was directly applicable. Nobody said anything about not paying someone (theft of services) at all, so I'm not sure where you think that comes in.

Real harm can be done by leaking government secrets.

Real harm can be done by not leaking them, too. Which is greater in this case?

Many Afghanis working with US troops died as a result of the previous set of leaks,

[citation needed]

(Plus, a rape analogy is always an amusing choice when discussing Wikileaks, but that's a different story.)

A rape analogy when discussing Wikileaks is nothing less than an attack on Julian Assange, and I treated it accordingly.

Anonymous releases are possible

[fishbowl]

It was possible, via myriad methods, to release the same information in a widely distributed, completely anonymous manner, and the world would have received the information but never heard the name "Julian Assange" or ever heard of anything called "Wikileaks".

But Assange didn't choose to go that route. He definitely wanted his name and trademark on this information. Wanting to get the truth out is one thing, but wanting to make sure that the truth gets out *under your brand name* is another. I have more respect for the former than the latter.

Re:Anonymous releases are possible

[MoonBuggy]

While I don't entirely agree with Assange's style of doing things, it's worth remembering that there is a significant difference between just making information available, and actually making sure it's heard.

Of course, you could easily argue that any effort to publicise the data puts some spin on it, but I'd rather they take that route than have the information sitting on some server where nobody bothers to look at it.

Re:Anonymous releases are possible

[Anrego]

It was possible, via myriad methods, to release the same information in a widely distributed, completely anonymous manner

On the other hand, most people were unaware of this. What wikileaks has really done is shown that you can leak something to the internet without necessarily destroying your life. Wikileaks has done more by being on TV constantly than by the service they offer imo.

My opinion as to whether this is a good thing or not is still un-decided.

Re:Anonymous releases are possible

[Score Whore]

Really? Have you spoken with Bradly Manning lately?

Re:Anonymous releases are possible

[Anonymous Coward]

OTOH, I find the sequence "Woodward, Bernstein, Assange" distasteful.

I agree. It should be "Assange, Bernstein, Woodward." Alphabetical order is much better.

Re:Anonymous releases are possible

[ObsessiveMathsFreak]

While I don't entirely agree with Assange's style of doing things, it's worth remembering that there is a significant difference between just making information available, and actually making sure it's heard.

That difference is credibility.

If these diplomatic cables simply showed up Usenet one day, lets face it, the world would outright ignore them. Same goes for them being published by an anonymous site somewhere. Wikileaks on the other hand now has a name behind it; it's a brand for whistleblower information, and has significant credibility.

If you look at the sites publication record, the idea of an anti-US stance does not stand up to scrutiny. Wikileaks published a significant amount of material relating to corporate and political misdeeds--Scientology documents, an Icelandic bank, internet censorship--in the years prior to the current cache it obtain from its US sources. Their next target is reputed to be a major bank (an organisation I think Wikileaks are underestimating).

The forces Wikileaks have incensed and the backlash that has been created--ideologically--among a supposedly sophisticated public, reveal just how corrupt, complacent and regressive modern society has become. Gone are the days when the reporters who covered the Watergate scandal were lauded as heroes. We live in an age where ever more radicalised people eagerly swallow all propaganda tossed at them, from online sources in particular. Most of the public vehemence to Wikileaks and Assange that I have seen comes from younger, more tech saavy people. The older generation affords the site and its work far more respect.

These are the times; pervasive corruption and public complicity. Wikileaks is a response to them.

Not rivals

[Amorymeltzer]

There are enough secret documents and nefarious backroom deals to go around. If Wikileaks has put a stop on submissions because it has too much, then there's clearly room for more, and Wikileaks should welcome them as such. It appears there is at least some indication WL feels that way, but while the people may not be the best of friends their organizations will at least be allies.

Unrelated - Why does TFS refer to TFA as such?

Don't mess with the bad governments.

[elh_inny]

I hope they understand the risks.
US is still relatively civilised (althought I know there have been cases of torture etc), but I'm pretty sure once they start messing with China the response will be far more radical than rape charge.

Re:Don't mess with the bad governments.

[KiloByte]

Or Russia... Litvinenko released data about FSB staging false-flag bombings, and see how ended up. And instead of a plausible accident, Russians went a long way to leave their signature on his assassination.

Wtf title?

[vivaoporto]

(emphasis mine)

TFA: "The group stresses that the as-yet-unnamed platform should not be seen as a competitor to WikiLeaks but as a different approach, the newspaper wrote."

Title on Slashdot: "Wikileaks competitor in the works".

The only part in TFA that mentions the word "competitor" is the sentence stating what this new site won't be.

Cryptome

[NBolander]

Cryptome has been up and running since -96 and if anything having Wikileaks show up in -06 has only made them more relevant. This should be a good development, the more targets the harder they will be to take down.

Re:Won't be as popular

[commodore64_love]

Perhaps not, but if they released confidential documents about the EU, Russia Federation, or Chinese National Socialist Government, I'd certainly read it.

Unfortunately wikileaks hasn't been doing that.

Good idea

[wjousts]

I think the problem with Wikileaks is that rather than being a neutral publisher of leaked documents, that have editorialized what they publish (for example, leaked footage of combat in Iraq that leaves out context and is labeled as "murder by US troops" or similar prejudice terms) and are, largely through the words and actions of Julian Assange, pushed their own agenda. I don't think that's what a lot of people thought Wikileaks would be. I can understand why some members might want to distance themselves from Assange and Wikileaks.

A Wikileaks that just makes available the documents they have without the need to try all tell people what they should think about those documents might have some value. Of course, it might also be impossible since somebody has to make the decision whether or not to release a document (for example, if they believe release might endanger lives) and that can be seen as a form of editorial control.

Re:Won't be as popular

[Jaysyn]

How do you know that any factual & juicy information on those countries has been submitted to Wikileaks?

Re:Wikileaks World!

[arb phd slp]

Which news channel shows films at 11?

I'm either going to explain a cultural reference to non-Americans, or I'm going to overexplain a joke and get "Whoooshed". (Both, probably, now that I've mentioned it).

On network TV, during commercial breaks in prime time (8pm-11pm), the evening news, which comes on at 11, will "tease" a story that they're reporting on with a short summary and the promise of some exciting video in order to keep you watching after your show is over. "Fire guts popular downtown restaurant. Film at 11." Taking that common phrase out of context, the meme has become "[Obvious statement]. Film at 11."

Re:Won't be as popular

[CharlyFoxtrot]

Their early leaks contained things about Somalia, Cayman Islands, Great Britain, etc. Surely you remember the "climategate" emails ? Those were from a UK university. Sure their latest leaks have been US centric but they're just releasing the most high profile, inflammatory, stuff they have. Oh, and as a EU citizen I would also like to read more of "our" leaked documents. Get to it ,whistle blowers !