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Using the Web To Turn Kids Into Autodidacts

theodp writes "Autodidacticism — self-education or self-directed learning — is nothing new, but the Internet holds the promise of taking it to the masses. Sugata Mitra, an Indian physicist whose earlier educational experiments inspired the film Slumdog Millionaire, is convinced that, with the Internet, kids can learn by themselves so long as they are in small groups and have well-posed questions to answer. And now, Mitra's Self-Organized Learning Environments (SOLE) are going global, with testing in schools in Australia, Colombia, England and India. On their own, children can get about 30% of the knowledge required to pass exams, so to go further, Dr. Mitra supplements SOLE with e-mediators, amateur volunteers who use Skype to help kids learn online."

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  1. Heck by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As far as programming goes, I've managed to teach myself the entire content of the courses I'm taking during my summer breaks and weekends. Admittedly, it is just basic stuff, but I now feel like I'm wasting $10k a year on schooling that I don't really need.

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    1. Re:Heck by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I now feel like I'm wasting $10k a year on schooling that I don't really need.

      You're not buying schooling, you're buying an expensive piece of paper, called a diploma, to get past the HR filter that requires it.

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    2. Re:Heck by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Teaching yourself is fine, but very few people are capable of doing it properly without a lot of help. Sure when it comes to something like programming you can learn on your own. What you're generally paying for with tuition is guidance and an assurance to future employers that you know what you're doing or more accurately that you've at least seen the materials.

      But in general, most people lack the framework to make sense of what they're learning. Even with a degree I run into a fair number of people who don't understand more than just the basics of what was taught, they've gone to no effort to understand the whys and hows that go along with the whats involved.

      If this is becoming big that's a very serious problem. The internet isn't really a place to gain an informed opinion over things. There's a lot of noise and very little quality signal to use and without having a degree to start with it's pretty much futile in terms of knowing what is and is not reliable information.

    3. Re:Heck by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, nowadays you can learn a lot of stuff from the internet. For those it's more a matter of whether you want the "piece of paper" or not. Just from youtube alone you can learn undergrad stuff from MIT/Stanford/UNSW and even universities in India, guitar licks, to making a japanese omelette/omelet (tamagoyaki).

      But some stuff requires physical equipment and tools that most people don't have access to. In an alternate universe public libraries would have physical tools, workshops and labs, rather than physical books - because books can be more easily duplicated :).

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    4. Re:Heck by Duradin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If all you're getting is a diploma and not schooling that you need perhaps you should take courses more advanced than the into course.

      It's college. You pick your classes. You also pick your college. So if your education doesn't seem worth it perhaps the school isn't the problem.

    5. Re:Heck by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why limit yourself to NYC ?
      World list of hackerspaces

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    6. Re:Heck by Kijori · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely agree. Heavy use of the internet to learn seems to me to lead to a very superficial level of learning - enough to sound knowledgeable in a soundbite, but not enough to actually understanding what you're reading about or do anything non-trivial with it. It's something that I think is very apparent on Slashdot; there are a great many posts made by people who have "learnt" about something via Wikipedia but who have completely misunderstood, or over-generalised, or misinterpreted it but who remain convinced that they are experts. It perhaps comes down to the old truism that the more you learn the more you realise how ignorant you are - and as a corollary, that when you know very little you are generally unable to tell just how little you know. A good teacher can guide your learning, because he/she has a solid general understanding of the subject area. Without one you're liable to stumble across a tail and assume that it's the entire elephant.

    7. Re:Heck by Palshife · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. College is the absolute best place to explore targeted, interesting disciplines which you won't know about by cruising Wikipedia. If you're not getting your money's worth, you're doing it wrong.

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    8. Re:Heck by lessthan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A diploma is easily verifiable, whereas "3-5 years of relevant experience" is not. Not that it matters, these days they ask for a diploma AND three to five years of experience.

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  2. First Principles by Chelloveck · · Score: 4, Funny

    First thing to learn: When the web site asks, "Are you at least 18 years of age?" the answer is always "Yes". All else follows from that.

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  3. Fear! by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

    Autodidacts are recruiting your children on the web!

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  4. This IS traditional education for Americans by Alan+R+Light · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you've read John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American Education you'll know that in the 1800s the people of America were the best educated in the world, and had largely educated themselves.

    1. Re:This IS traditional education for Americans by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you provide a pin citation to the part of the book that supports this proposition? I really don't feel like digging through an entire book to figure out what you mentioned vaguely. Right now, it sounds more like you're trying to use your post as advertising for the book than to provide useful information.

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    2. Re:This IS traditional education for Americans by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Funny

      I really don't feel like digging through an entire book

      Clearly autodidactism is not for you.

    3. Re:This IS traditional education for Americans by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've read it, and autodidacticism is one of the central tenants. In particular he pays a lot of attention to George Washington's self-education, which began around age 12 or 13, if I remember right, and was in full swing by the time he was 16 (when he taught himself surveying). Likely because his formal education ended so early, Washington always felt it was lacking, which he compensated for by continuing his self-education throughout his entire life.

      That the man who is arguably the greatest man in American history was self taught is astounding. Mind you he was not a prodigy. He was smart, probably above average, but he was not a natural genius or anything of the sort. In fact most of the educated elite thought he was of moderate intelligence and some had a real problem with his elevated status and position of authority given his lack of formal education.

      Gatto's book is definitely worth a read if you want some insight into the public education system (at least in New York) and why it works so poorly in the US.

      And I don't see what is wrong with advertising someone's book if you found it insightful. Could you please explain to me the problem? I'll hold off on telling anybody about any books that I like until you do, thanks.

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  5. First things first by cdrguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem in the USA today isn't a lack of quality teaching and quality schools or even a lack of quality curriculum. It is an attitude that doing well in school is for social outcast nerds and to be cool you have to ignore school and learning in general.

    This is popularized by the hip-hop culture as well as other aspects of the currrent pop culture.

    Contrast this with Asian children that are expected - no, required - to do well in school by their parents. Who is in the top of nearly all technology-oriented university programs? Asians. Why? Because they are getting the grades and it counts. Both for just "learning stuff" and getting a job later.

    We can continue with a culture that will obviously lead to a nation like Idiocracy. Or we can change things. Feel-good programs where everyone gets a prize and self-directed learning isn't going to make the kind of change that is needed.

    1. Re:First things first by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem in the USA today isn't a lack of quality teaching and quality schools or even a lack of quality curriculum. It is an attitude that doing well in school is for social outcast nerds and to be cool you have to ignore school and learning in general.

      It most certainly is the teaching quality. I work in education, and while there are quite a few good and excellent teachers there, there are plenty of teachers that shouldn't be. It is like dodging raindrops.

      The current system also a system designed for Industrial age, and not the current post industrial age. We teach things in a manner which preps kids to be factory automatons rather than self organizing information age data processors. Mr Mitra has stumbled upon a new method for preparing kids to be functional adults in the post industrial information age. I've been touting his methods ever since I first saw his presentation.

      The attitudes of kids you describe is also rampant. But it isn't helped by requiring those kids be in classrooms to disrupt the kids that want to be there. I've seen classrooms where the teacher spends 1/2 of their time dealing with kids who don't want to be there. Which is completely unfair to everyone involved.

      Then there are the parents that think the world is out to get their kids and everything is everyone else's fault not theirs or their kids. Or parents who just don't care. Or no parents to speak of at all (only professional daycare providers).

      Suffice it to say, the problems with modern educational system can be spread around to a myriad of places. We just don't have the guts to do anything about the problems as they exist for fear of hurting someone's feelings or fear of breaking the status quo.

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  6. Taught myself computers this way by Stele · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was in 5th grade and our school had just gotten a TRS-80, the first computer I ever saw. Nobody in the school knew what to do with it - it just sat in the library. I and another kid in my class had reputations for being smart and inquisitive - the principal actually brought me broken radios and tape players and things to take apart.

    Anyway, the school would send me and the other kid to the library once a day while the class did other stuff, and we taught ourselves to program the computer together, figuring out how to get the tape player working, storing our programs, etc.

    That set me up for the rest of my life. In 10th grade (1986-7) I taught myself C while the rest of the class learned Pascal. By the time I got to college I knew more about programming than most of the professors.

    Dropped out in 1992 and the rest is history.

    I am grateful to the school system I was in (SW Virginia no less) to encourage and support my interest in such gadgetry, and to have the opportunity to learn things at my own pace. It works when done right.

  7. TED talk by Sugata Mitra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/lang/eng/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html

  8. Re:who's qualified? by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hell yes.
    I know 2 or 3 people like this.

    One of them is a college dropout who works all hours.
    He's one of those busy people, you know the ones, from the saying "if you need something done give it to someone who's busy"

    I mentioned 1 way hashes to him over a pint when we were chatting about a problem he was having in work to do with checking for duplicate details without violating data protection.
    A few weeks later I chat to him and he's educated himself about hash functions beyond what would be covered in a CS degree.

    I sat down with him one afternoon and went through the basics of how to write a simple "hello world" program and compile it and how to do simple loops.
    just enough to get past the "where do I start" bit with coding.
    6 months later he's writing applications for his office.

    I mentioned data structures and various search algortihms to him when he was talking about how his code was always far far slower than the professional coders stuff.
    I fully expect him to find out next time I talk to him that he's gone off and educated himself about datastructures and algorithms beyond what a normal cs course covers.

    He'll go far in life... or, considering the workload he takes on, go nuts.... but probably go far in life.
    He has the tallent and drive to educate himself while working 2 jobs and isn't afraid of learning.

  9. A few pointers for self-learning by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you are ready, study the more formal parts of modern philosophy
    (epistemology, metaphysics, philosophy of science), to acquire the
    meta-level skills necessary to understand what knowledge is, and what
    its properties are, before you try to load up on too much specific knowledge.

    Also, study some westernized writings on Zen philosophy, to the level at which you
    understand its relationship to the other above-mentioned aspects of modern
    philosophy. When you understand the significance of the dividing of the world
    by the cutting strokes of the knife, you may be ready to start learning a few specifics.

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