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With Better Sharing of Intel Comes Danger

Hugh Pickens writes "Ellen Nakashima writes in the Washington Post that after the intelligence community came under heavy criticism after 9/11 for having failed to share data, officials sought to make it easier for various agencies to share sensitive information giving intelligence analysts wider access to government secrets but WikiLeaks has proved that there's a downside to better information-sharing. To prevent further breaches, the Pentagon has ordered that a feature that allows material to be copied onto thumb drives or other removable devices be disabled on its classified computer systems and will limit the number of classified systems from which material can be transferred to unclassified systems, as well as require that two people be involved in moving data from classified to unclassified systems. The bottom line is that recent leaks 'have blown a hole' in the framework by which governments guard their secrets. According to British journalist Simon Jenkins 'words on paper can be made secure, electronic archives not.'"

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  1. Leak DRM? by markdavis · · Score: 3, Informative

    >"To prevent further breaches, the Pentagon has ordered that a feature that allows material to be copied onto thumb drives or other removable devices be disabled on its classified computer systems"

    Yeah, like that is really going to make THAT much of a difference. Oh- make sure to remove all printers too, prevent all Email/IRC/IM, cut and paste, CD/DVDRW, etc. I suppose I can't criticize them for trying, but no amount of stuff like that is going to prevent information leaks if someone wants to leak information. It is no different than DRM.

    1. Re:Leak DRM? by omni123 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not that it is impossible to leak information--that's never a goal--the idea is to increase the difficulty and risk to such a level that it is not worth it for the average employee to attempt to leak whatever mediocre information they have access to and that the employees the skill and access are more loyal and less likely to attempt it. In this way it is different to DRM because there is no inherent risk associated (for most people) as you are not going to lose your job or risk federal/military prison for your actions and thus there is nothing to dissuade you from attempting it.

      For the record it is not particularly easy to use a printer to duplicate, say, 250,000 diplomatic cables and walk out with them under your arms. It's not particularly difficult to prevent the average employee from accessing IRC/IM either and the obvious risks attached to e-mail are far too high. The approaches do need to be more sophisticated.

    2. Re:Leak DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How are they going to block usb flash media? In the old days you could epoxy the usb ports and then just use ps/2 keyboard/mouse. But those are legacy now and you are forced to use USB on modern systems. Also, it's not exactly difficult to gain access to the usb headers to install unbroken ports.

      I suppose you could write a filter driver to prevent access to removeable media... of course then all you have to do is make hardware that doesn't report itself as removeable.....
      Alternately you could write a filter driver to only allow access to whitelisted volume guids, though that's pretty easy to workaround as well...

      You're not going to achieve a technical solution.

      As others have posted, two of the largest contributing factors to this are a) far too much data that should never be classified is, and the current system doesn't really allow you to unclassify the garbage, and b) use of of classified status to cover up illegal activity is or should be illegal, so it's only natural for people to blow the whistle in that case.

    3. Re:Leak DRM? by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2

      These sorts of restrictions are a daily part of any defense contractor's day (one who handles classified data/info.) The fact that the Pentagon and the government itself doesn't (until recently) hold itself to the same standards it holds its contractors is very telling.

      It tells me they don't give a shit. So, let's take the DoD's clearances away until they can demonstrate good data handling of classified information. They do that to contractors they deem "incapable" of keeping secrets all the time. Time for their asses to taste the same medicine.

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    4. Re:Leak DRM? by AJWM · · Score: 4, Interesting

      feature that allows material to be copied onto thumb drives or other removable devices be disabled on its classified computer systems

      Here's a question: Why the hell was that stuff ever enabled in the first place?

      A place I worked a while back -- we did QA for voting systems and for games -- was a lot more secure than that. Only one system on the LAN had a CD burner, and that was passworded and the media use logged. Cameras everywhere. Firing offense to have your own thumb drives (or to plug in a device like an MP3 player), etc. Cell phones forbidden without express authorization. Everything logged. Air-gap -- and you had to know the passwords, including to the cypherlock on the door -- on the machine that could access customers' code servers. Defeatable? Sure, but not without leaving a trail a mile wide. And this was on the voting side of the company, security on the gaming side was even tougher. (Hey, now we're talking about real money!)

      Apparently the government doesn't take security as seriously as game software companies do.

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    5. Re:Leak DRM? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2

      I love how you call them dumb for falling for the simplistic and easily defended against trick that you imagined them falling for.

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    6. Re:Leak DRM? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      There is no method of storage that is absolute proof against maliciousness. Since the dawn of civilization governments have had to deal with traitors and moles. The Wikileaks situation underlines, in general terms, that you can never trust anyone absolutely, that giving out a certain degree of access to state secrets is an act of trust that comes with the accompanying risk.

      The chief difference between events like the Pentagon Papers and the latest Wikileaks trove and espionage is that in these cases the idea was to blow the lid off, not simply to deliver it to another state's information apparatus. But at the end of the day, whether the object is to embarrass your government, to profit by selling a foreign state, or you're actually a citizen of a foreign state, or whatever configuration it is, if you manage to get sufficient clearance to access these sorts of documents, whatever form they're recorded on, you'll get your chance. About the only thing electronic records change is the volume of data that can be leaked in a short period of time.

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    7. Re:Leak DRM? by Fluffeh · · Score: 2

      There is no endgame in just about every mmorpg. The game is paying the creator a monthly subscription.

      In life we just live, pay taxes and there is no connecti...

      Wait wut?!

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    8. Re:Leak DRM? by RazorSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or just don't participate in corrupt activities. Whistleblowers almost always leak information because they feel morally obligated to do so (leaking information puts one's future and safety at risk, no one does it for kicks or b/c they hope to make money). Many whistleblowers (especially in the corporate world) fall victim to strange accidents or they find themselves blacklisted from employment. When people decide to leak information like this they've made a conscious decision that doing so is more important than their own life.

      Whistleblowers aren't spies, they're just people with morals. If our government is concerned with protecting itself against the ethically conscious, then perhaps there's no hope. The government has become everything it was designed to prevent: a tyranny. The only reason I haven't reached this conclusion yet is b/c Obama has been so hands-off with this Wikileaks mess. It's been the usual band of psychos that have called for Assange's arrest/assassination: Lieberman, McConnell, ect.

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    9. Re:Leak DRM? by Zerth · · Score: 2

      You write the USB drivers to not send anything out the USB port that isn't whether or not to turn on the CAPS light on the keyboard.

      Hrm... I've got this macro that blinks the caps light according to a text file and I've got this photodetector on a chip that stores the readings in a tiny amount of flash, only 128 megs, paltry amount.

      Clearly, I could not break security with this.

    10. Re:Leak DRM? by omni123 · · Score: 2

      It is not a perfect world and the reality is that "don't participate in corrupt activities" is extremely naive. The issue I have is that everyone has a different definition of corrupt activities and leaving it up to the individual to leak classified material on a whim is impracticable.

      I don't know how you think that works. One very cautious person considers a highly classified mission to be immoral, and thus leaks details, which the majority considers acceptable. Vigilante justice rarely works.

    11. Re:Leak DRM? by evought · · Score: 5, Informative

      The other problem is that this was already policy in the '90s when I worked in AFSAA in the Pentagon. You were not allowed to copy data to non-classified system without the approval of specific officers who were tasked to examine the data. The data was copied onto a zeroed disk in a clean system, examined directly and in a hex editor. Then, if approved, it was copied for you onto a disk marked unclassified. There were also strict rules about the use of pads of paper (remove the top sheet, put it on a hard surface, write your note; that way you did not leave stray impressions on the pad which might be distributed. In the vaults, they often had pads stamped "SECRET" or "TOP SECRET" to make this less likely.) And there were quite a few applications we used where cut and paste was disabled or limited.

      This obviously slowed things down, but that was the whole point. There had been several incidents where people had bypassed the rules and classified data were nearly leaked (the affected unclassified systems had to be scrubbed). Even if you just know that a document contains no classified information, it is quite possible that a file does. Problems were specifically discovered with MS Word files where random data from the system could end up in non-visible portions of the file. Once on an Unclassified system, the classified data might end up in swap space or otherwise be copied to where it should not be and remain after the offending file was wiped. Therefore the entire contaminated system would usually be wiped and reinstalled from a clean image. And, often the offending person would have their career shortened considerably. We dealt with nuclear deployment data and WINTEL (data which could reveal the identity of intelligence sources), so courts martial was always a possibility even, perhaps especially, for inadvertent release.

      Personally, I consider release of classified data through idiocy to be a higher offense than doing so on purpose through act-of-conscience. The procedures exist for a reason, and often it is not to make things convenient. Carelessness gets people killed.

      About when I stopped doing work there (1997-98) was when they were really going gung ho on the "classified Internet" where classified networks were tunneled over the DoD Unclassified Internet. That made for a lot more mixing of systems and cables which, I think, made it much harder to enforce strict separation. It used to be that there had to be 6' between the Top Secret network cables and the Unclassified network cables (and the cables were color coded). Ostensibly that was to prevent electronic feedback from leaking signals, but I think the real reason was to make absolutely sure the wrong network cable never went to the wrong hub and that someone lost their job if it did. It was absolutely forbidden to patch a classified cable outside of the designated rooms and areas. Classified printers, copiers, and CD burners were usually in designated areas as well. (You were allowed to make Unclassified copies on a Classified copier as long as you ran three blank pages through first to clear any residual images on the drum; you were never allowed to copy Classified data on an Unclassified copier outside the designated areas). Trash, of course, was separated by classification level and classified electronic waste (e.g. bad hard drives) were destroyed. Some manufacturers insisted that we return bad drives for warranty replacement, which was fine, as long as they understood that the platters would be physically destroyed first.

      In any case, I am not surprised at this rule as much as surprised that it was allowed to lapse. You cannot 100% prevent leaks of data, but you at least want to make sure it is deliberate, that people are aware of what they are doing and of what the consequences will be.

    12. Re:Leak DRM? by rapiddescent · · Score: 2

      one amusing story was one place I worked thought it would be a good idea to distribute soft lined metal boxes to each office so that staff could deposit phones into the box (instead of leaving with security who were inundated with phones every morning). This was because there was a suspicion that staff's phones could be intercepted by evil-doers and install bugging software on them; if they were in the box, it would dampen the sound. Except, one small problem was that people who left the phones switched on and put them in the box where causing the boxes to heat up massively in it's own little faraday cage - especially as the phones upped their power to get a signal and where insulated inside the box!!

  2. Headline total fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Come on, using a headline with Intel in it meaning something other than the company, on a geek site? Avoid the jargon and it becomes unambiguous: "With Better Sharing of Gov. Intelligence Comes Danger" (though using the words intelligence and government in the same sentence keeps making me do a double-take)

  3. For a good reason by elewton · · Score: 2

    Words on paper can be made secure because they're fucking worthless for replication and transfer.
    They'd be even more secure if chipped into clay tablets in cuneiform.

  4. And so Wikileaks wins by Homburg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is precisely the outcome that Wikileaks was looking for: Assange's plan has been to leak information in order to make those who wish to keep secrets paranoid, so that they clamp down on their own internal communications and become less effective:

    The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. This must result in minimization of efficient internal communications mechanisms (an increase in cognitive “secrecy tax”) and consequent system-wide cognitive decline resulting in decreased ability to hold onto power as the environment demands adaption. Hence in a world where leaking is easy, secretive or unjust systems are nonlinearly hit relative to open, just systems. Since unjust systems, by their nature induce opponents, and in many places barely have the upper hand, mass leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance.

    1. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by ZDRuX · · Score: 2

      Wow, he told you all this? Not like you'd make assumptions about a man you've never met before or anything.

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    2. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is precisely the outcome that Wikileaks was looking for: Assange's plan has been to leak information in order to make those who wish to keep secrets paranoid, so that they clamp down on their own internal communications and become less effective:

      So the point is to make the United States' efforts to stop terrorist attacks less effective?

      I know that's not what you're trying to say; it's not even what Assange is trying to say. But it's *one* of the effects of this process -- not the only one, I know, and people will argue that more good than harm has been done by these leaks. But it can't realistically be questioned that harm has been done. The question is essentially whether one believes that governments should ever keep secrets. The position of Assange, and most people here, appears to be "no, they shouldn't, ever." The kindest thing I can say about that position is that it's naive.

    3. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It is in the best interests of all those anti-terrorism organisations to announce any success they have. Vocally. It justifies their future funding and expansion, and furthers the careers of those in charge. Sure enough, they do announce all the attacks they have prevented - but those are a rather unimpressive collection, like the shoe bomber. Why would they keep quiet about any successes they have, once they have enough evidence to make an arrest? (/disappear a suspect to a secret military tribunal)

    4. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

      Or are you concluding that stuff you haven't heard about must therefore not exist?

      This, chiefly. I am an American citizen. I have the right to judge how well the government that works for me is doing. And, since it only is legitimately empowered to govern if it has the consent of the governed, I have the right to grant or withdraw my consent as I see fit. All Americans have these rights.

      I'm obviously not going to just trust them. The entire structure of the government is founded on distrust of power. If they keep secrets, then not only is it wholly appropriate to judge them on the basis of what information we do have, it is also fair to condemn them for keeping secrets.

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    5. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 2

      This, chiefly. I am an American citizen. I have the right to judge how well the government that works for me is doing. And, since it only is legitimately empowered to govern if it has the consent of the governed, I have the right to grant or withdraw my consent as I see fit. All Americans have these rights.

      I'm obviously not going to just trust them. The entire structure of the government is founded on distrust of power. If they keep secrets, then not only is it wholly appropriate to judge them on the basis of what information we do have, it is also fair to condemn them for keeping secrets.

      I think it's perfectly sensible to say that you can only judge on the information you have. I think it's also important to consider the possibility that you may have incomplete information, particularly given that we're talking about organizations that we already know keep secrets. That doesn't require "just trusting them" -- not at all. I'm not suggesting a conclusion to draw -- I'm suggesting drawing no conclusion at all.

      On the other hand, I think it's naive at best to "condemn (the government) for keeping secrets". I can understand being upset with the government about the keeping of some specific secret or secrets. But any secret? Believing that the government should never, ever keep secrets? That point-of-view seems unrealistic. You don't have to work hard to think of secrets the U.S. government has kept in the past where keeping those secrets was the right thing to do, and revealing them at the time could have been catastrophic.

    6. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by evought · · Score: 2

      But it can't realistically be questioned that harm has been done. The question is essentially whether one believes that governments should ever keep secrets. The position of Assange, and most people here, appears to be "no, they shouldn't, ever." The kindest thing I can say about that position is that it's naive.

      I think Assange's point is more that it is much easier to keep a small number of secrets than a large number and that this is incompatible with a manifestly unjust system. If that is his point, I would have to basically agree: you cannot use classification to cover up blatant crimes and violations of your own rules in a leaky intelligence environment. You cannot effectively control a global oppression network without secure communication. At some point the system needs to balance the costs of the two extremes and that is easier to do in a system which has some amount of integrity.

      You also run into the problem that a system without integrity, which constantly violates its own rules, cannot use people's conscience as a means to keep secrecy. It is simply not terribly effective to tell someone that they really have to follow procedure because leaking will get a "good guy" killed when the good guys are blowing up children, targeting citizen responders, and trafficking in human slaves. Even if it is only a small percentage of "good guys" doing it, asking someone to cover it up immediately suggests that officials condone the crimes.

      Now, if you keep your intelligence apparatus as trim as possible, work hard to weed out the immoral from rising to that level, follow your own rules consistently, don't classify your dinner receipts from the night before to hide them from the taxpayer, and visibly punish people who cross the line, it is a lot more effective when you say to someone "loose lips sink ships." They WANT to protect your secrets.

      Is there a cost? You betcha, but there always is. That's just life. But on the balance, I would rather do right and be dead than do wrong and have to live with it.

    7. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

      I'm not suggesting a conclusion to draw -- I'm suggesting drawing no conclusion at all.

      In which case you could have a rogue government that did obvious evil things, claimed to do secret good things, and was not subject to whatever cures democracy could provide, since everyone would be paralyzed by the claims -- which might very well be false, in keeping with the known evils of the government -- of good.

      That's not acceptable. This is the real world, and we are going to have to draw conclusions based upon what we've got. They might be wrong, but it's hardly our fault that we lack information that could justify the continued existence of the organizations that are keeping secrets from us. In fact, I'd say that wrong conclusions are their fault; they'd be better off not resorting to secrecy as much (it is pretty clearly abused now), and not keeping secrets for as long.

      Believing that the government should never, ever keep secrets? That point-of-view seems unrealistic.

      Oh, I don't think that it is realistic to expect a totally transparent government. OTOH, I do think that deviation from total transparency is at least not good, when justified, and usually bad, as it isn't. If we think of the goodwill a government might accumulate in the eyes of its citizens as the sum of the good and bad things it has done, secret good things don't count, and it's generally safe to assume, based on prior experience, that there are a lot of secret bad things, a value for which could be estimated. So secrecy really doesn't benefit the goodwill a government can have, and likely diminishes it. If it drops too low, the government will become illegitimate and need to be replaced.

      So I see nothing wrong with condemning a government that keeps secrets from its people, and spitting upon the officials who engage in this. If they've done something wrong, and are cowering behind the claim of secrecy, they deserve it. And if they've done something good, but are tragically forced to conceal it, and are condemned nevertheless, the Super Chicken rule applies: They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

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    8. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 2

      I'm not suggesting a conclusion to draw -- I'm suggesting drawing no conclusion at all.

      In which case you could have a rogue government that did obvious evil things, claimed to do secret good things, and was not subject to whatever cures democracy could provide, since everyone would be paralyzed by the claims -- which might very well be false, in keeping with the known evils of the government -- of good.

      That doesn't follow at all. In the scenario you describe, my conclusion would be "I don't know the status of what, if anything, they're doing behind the scenes; but I know they're doing bad things right in front of my face. So the kindest thing I can say is that maybe, *maybe*, it's a wash. Time to go."

      Believing that the government should never, ever keep secrets? That point-of-view seems unrealistic.

      Oh, I don't think that it is realistic to expect a totally transparent government. OTOH, I do think that deviation from total transparency is at least not good, when justified, and usually bad, as it isn't.

      If it's "justified", then by definition, how is it "not good"? That seems a contradiction.

      So I see nothing wrong with condemning a government that keeps secrets from its people, and spitting upon the officials who engage in this. If they've done something wrong, and are cowering behind the claim of secrecy, they deserve it. And if they've done something good, but are tragically forced to conceal it, and are condemned nevertheless, the Super Chicken rule applies: They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

      I bolded the part to which I wanted to reply. Your statement here suggests that the only harm of considering all secret-keeping bad and applying the "cures democracy can provide" is to those who (as part of their jobs) keep secrets that'd you'd agree are justifiably kept secret if you were in the know. I'd argue that there's significantly more harm than just that -- that in fact, that's the least of the harms caused.

    9. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 2

      The question is essentially whether one believes that governments should ever keep secrets. The position of Assange, and most people here, appears to be "no, they shouldn't, ever." The kindest thing I can say about that position is that it's naive.

      If that were their position, why would they redact anything at all?

      That's a fair point. But it's also interesting, because such redaction seems at odds with the 'statement of purpose' quoted above, to which I originally replied. There, Assange doesn't say that his intent is to inhibit the keeping of secrets that shouldn't be kept; he explicitly states his intent to inhibit the keeping of secrets *at all*.

    10. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 2

      I think Assange's point is more that it is much easier to keep a small number of secrets than a large number and that this is incompatible with a manifestly unjust system.

      I think that's a perfectly reasonable statement, from which most of the rest of what you wrote logically follows. However, I don't think your statement of Assange's point is consistent with the quote from him linked-to and cited above.

    11. Re:And so Wikileaks wins by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

      That doesn't follow at all. In the scenario you describe, my conclusion would be

      Weren't you all about not drawing conclusions at all?

      If it's "justified", then by definition, how is it "not good"? That seems a contradiction.

      Think of it in terms of 'least bad.' If you had a gangrenous arm, it might justifiably have to be cut off, but I'm sure you wouldn't view the benefits of losing an arm to be all that good, and wouldn't like to have a perfectly healthy arm taken away.

      I bolded the part to which I wanted to reply. Your statement here suggests that the only harm of considering all secret-keeping bad and applying the "cures democracy can provide" is to those who (as part of their jobs) keep secrets that'd you'd agree are justifiably kept secret if you were in the know. I'd argue that there's significantly more harm than just that -- that in fact, that's the least of the harms caused.

      No, all I said there was that if I condemned someone for keeping secrets, but that they had done so for the best, that that was a result they should have expected to happen with which they need to have already come to terms. I never said that that was the worst thing that could result from not keeping secrets at all, or from exposing secrets.

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  5. the problem is to much marked classified by cenobyte40k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we didn't mark everything under the sun as classified it would be a lot easier to keep the stuff we need to keep secret that way. Only about 5% of what WikiLeaks has put out ever needed to be classified to begin with, and 95% of that didn't need to be classified anymore.

    1. Re:the problem is to much marked classified by vxice · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually only 46% was indeed marked classified. 6% was marked secret. None top secret. That is the whole point of classification levels.

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    2. Re:the problem is to much marked classified by tomhudson · · Score: 2
      Sorry, citizen, but how we determine what IS and is NOT classified is classified information. So we tell them to classify everything, because they are not cleared to have this obviously sensitive classified information as to how we determine what is classified.

      Now please do your duty and burn your eyeballs out with bleach, because even this information is meta-classified. Your government thanks you - and remember, we're watching!

    3. Re:the problem is to much marked classified by thesaurus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, citizen, but how we determine what IS and is NOT classified is classified information.

      It's fun to be snide, but sometimes the facts get in the way. How the U.S. Govt. determines what should and shouldn't be classified is spelled out in Executive Order 13526, the text of which is not classified.

      Sec. 1.4. Classification Categories. Information shall not be considered for classification unless its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable or describable damage to the national security in accordance with section 1.2 of this order, and it pertains to one or more of the following: (a) military plans, weapons systems, or operations; (b) foreign government information; (c) intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology; (d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources; (e) scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security; (f) United States Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities; (g) vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects, plans, or protection services relating to the national security; or (h) the development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.

      http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

  6. Why doesn't anyone mention the actual problem by kawabago · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real problem is the US government killed innocent people and covered it up. A soldier with a conscience decided his government should fess up and released all the documents. If the US government had been honest about it's mistakes and misdeeds, there would have been no motivation for a leak. When the US government breaks it's own laws and goes to great lengths to obstruct justice, it can expect this kind of release of confidential information because American soldiers have also been taught to do what is right. Forcing the government to admit it's illegal actions is the right thing to do.

    1. Re:Why doesn't anyone mention the actual problem by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A soldier with a conscience decided his government should fess up and released all the documents

      Ah, so because you don't like how a particular combat event played out, you think it's appropriate for diplomats dealing with very difficult foreign governments to not be allowed to frankly discuss the situation with their co-workers, out of the public eye (and away from monitoring by the very government being discussed)? You don't think that an important protest and opposition figure in Iran should be able to retain his anonymity while discussing circumstances inside that regime's thugocracy, because ... what, it's better he's dead at the hand of that government than that he rely on non-public communication with foreign diplomats and supporters? So glad you have the big picture, here.

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    2. Re:Why doesn't anyone mention the actual problem by NoSig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So because you don't like how some frank discussions were revealed, you think it's appropriate to cover up killings and who knows what else under a veil of "classified"? So glad you have the big picture, here. That's a particularly unproductive way of arguing as perhaps you now appreciate.

    3. Re:Why doesn't anyone mention the actual problem by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. Non-public communication and record keeping is a necessary part of running a government. It's absolutely productive to point that out and recognize that it's true. The argument being passed around, here, is that nothing the government does should be out of instant, continual public reach. That's wrong in principle and in practice. It's not that I don't like how some frank discussions were revealed ... it's that I don't like the contention that no diplomats should be allowed to have frank discussions at all. That bit of absurdity is so sophomoric that it has to treated as a troll.

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    4. Re:Why doesn't anyone mention the actual problem by mdsolar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is illegal to use classification to cover up a crime or even a mistake. But you are really supposed to take the issue up with the classifying authority and then their superiors if that does not work. Each branch has an Office of Inspector General which ought to be able to deal with the misuse of classification. Further,. a person with a clearance is sworn not to reveal secrets. But, there have certainly been times when the abuse of classification has been so pervasive that only leaking could serve to rectify the wrongs. Don't know it this is one of those times. Most of what has been reveal so far seems to have been secret for a good reason: protecting sources or methods. Another aspect is that it is pretty hard for someone in the Army to object to the misuse of classification by the State Department. It is not in the chain of command. One could be right of wrong that classification has been abused but have no internal way of addressing the issue and perhaps be frustrated enough to leak.

  7. Do the words, "Pentagon Papers" ring a bell? by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 2

    " 'words on paper can be made secure, electronic archives not.'"

    Really? Really? You really said that and seriously meant it?

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    1. Re:Do the words, "Pentagon Papers" ring a bell? by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 2

      See even Pvt First Class Accounts Clerks have fun in the army

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  8. Fools at the Washington Post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course it has to be a binary switch. You must either share all documents and be insecure, or not share any documents and be totally secure. Any middle ground is impossible. Thus the correct response to WikiLeaks must be to lock down all the documents and make sure nobody reads them at all. Only this will keep us safe!

    That sounds like the same kind of logic that comes from a town that sends troops to Iraq in response to a threat from a man in Afghanistan, or that would like to repeat the policies of Herbert Hoover in response to a big recession, or would rather raise the retirement age on working stiffs than tax billionaires at 1999 rates. As always, these conclusions are treated as an inevitability -- there's just no other way to go.

  9. That's not the classified guidelines I worked with by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2

    While I was serving in the military and handling classified material on computers the regulations on data handling were quite clear. Classified material was never to be stored or manipulated on an unclassified system. Furthermore, even on classified systems the classification of the system set a maximum clearance level, material classified secret could not be handled on a classified confidential system, etc. You could handle confidential on a secret system but then it could never be put back on a classified confidential system. I can understand, in light of the 'connect the dots' problem that you need to have access to pretty much all material in the hopes someone will get the 'Eureka' moment but storing, even allowing access the wrong way is what gets you into this kind of mess and supposedly we had procedures to prevent it. Obviously not after 9-11.

    And on that topic, post 9-11 changes, the Republicans, and Democrats when they wake up to this fact, can stick it. The post 9-11 changes to the handling classified material happened under a Republican administration at the behest of (severe pressure from) Congress on both sides of the aisle. As with the mortgage meltdown, Congressional members are pointing everywhere else but at themselves.

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  10. Shares of Intel by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    So we should invest in AMD then?

  11. Next time, skip the "Intel Inside" sticker by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The approaches do need to be more sophisticated.

    You mean like using a cell-phone camera to take a picture of a screen?

    You can also encode a LOT of info into just one jpg or png of the family dog.

    As for printing, you can use a 600dpi laser to output the whole bible in encoded format on 5 sheets of paper. So yes, you could walk out with 250,000 cables pretty quickly.

    1. Re:Next time, skip the "Intel Inside" sticker by omni123 · · Score: 2

      The approaches do need to be more sophisticated.

      You mean like using a cell-phone camera to take a picture of a screen?

      You can also encode a LOT of info into just one jpg or png of the family dog.

      As for printing, you can use a 600dpi laser to output the whole bible in encoded format on 5 sheets of paper. So yes, you could walk out with 250,000 cables pretty quickly.

      Not every office has the kind of hardware (or every person the skillset) required to minimise documents at the drop of a hat like that. While I concede that methods for this are readily available on the internet a lot of people with access to this intelligence just don't have the expertise to step through it and that is a strong enough deterrent in a lot of cases.

      Keep in mind I am limiting my discussion to internal patriotic staff members 'freeing America' etc and not a well placed terrorist or foreign intelligence officer--that would be an entirely different ball game and arguably more-so a problem for security vetting offices.

      Cameras with cell phones are banned at most defence facilities in the US I would imagine. That being said satellite locations are obviously a serious concern given the origin of the diplomatic cables.

    2. Re:Next time, skip the "Intel Inside" sticker by tomhudson · · Score: 2
      600 dpi printers are no big deal. As well, encoding the info doesn't mean literally shrinking the fonts - there are other ways to encode the information - you can even encode it as "defects" in the regular fonts so that an apparently innocuous email contains the actual data. Anyone with a web browser and the ability to run some javascript can do it.

      So it's one of those cases where unfortunately, stuff is going to leak no matter what. There are some problems that are simply not solvable.

    3. Re:Next time, skip the "Intel Inside" sticker by fishexe · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but would Bradley Manning have figured out how to do anything of these things? Remember, this was the guy who thought listening to Lady Gaga at work was such a clever ruse.

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    4. Re:Next time, skip the "Intel Inside" sticker by dargaud · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As for printing, you can use a 600dpi laser to output the whole bible in encoded format on 5 sheets of paper. So yes, you could walk out with 250,000 cables pretty quickly.

      Do you know of any printer/scanner software that can do the encoding/decoding so as to do printed backups ? Something with redundancy like rar or turbo codes that prints out a page of pixel soup... I'm not sure how useful it would really be, just curious.

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  12. Re:write access only by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 2

    That's the thing; I'm sure that there's way more than one leak in their dam. If wikileaks managed to get a hold of this information, why would anyone believe that every intelligence agency on the planet didn't already have all this information? I'm perplexed at the persecution that wikileaks has faced over this cable release as all they really did was expose the U.S. government's inability to keep classified information out of the hands of, well, anyone and everyone. I mean, the government would try to shift the focus away from their failure, but do people really not get that this info has probably been in the hands of every enemy we have for a good long time?

    The system is broken. We can either fix it or try to blow smoke about the "terrorist organization" that let us all know how glaringly lax our security is. I guess now that our government is locking useful information away from every one who does need it, we know if they are concerned with keeping us safe or keeping themselves from being embarrassed.

  13. The answer is moving beyond the irony... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2

    http://www.pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-transcending-militarism.html
    "Likewise, even United States three-letter agencies like the NSA and the CIA, as well as their foreign counterparts, are becoming ironic institutions in many ways. Despite probably having more computing power per square foot than any other place in the world, they seem not to have thought much about the implications of all that computer power and organized information to transform the world into a place of abundance for all. Cheap computing makes possible just about cheap everything else, as does the ability to make better designs through shared computing. ...
        There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security thinking. Those "security" agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a mindset of scarcity, competition, and secrecy. Given the power of 21st century technology as an amplifier (including as weapons of mass destruction), a scarcity-based approach to using such technology ultimately is just making us all insecure. Such powerful technologies of abundance, designed, organized, and used from a mindset of scarcity could well ironically doom us all whether through military robots, nukes, plagues, propaganda, or whatever else... Or alternatively, as Bucky Fuller and others have suggested, we could use such technologies to build a world that is abundant and secure for all. "

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  14. Danger. Really. Danger? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "With better sharing of Intel Comes Danger"

    I love this stuff. What Danger?

    We are being told that this release of information has harmed the ability of the U.S. to carry out diplomacy. In what way? That we tell lies and other governments tell lies, and now some of these lies have been exposed? What was the "Danger"? Wasn't the danger in the telling of the lies in the first place? Better sharing of Intel didn't bring about this danger.

    Besides, if this data dump was so easily acquired (I am assuming the obvious here, that Wikileaks never had to go all "Tom Cruise/Mission Impossible" to get it), surely the data dump was no surprise to various other governments. I'd even guess that this is a fraction of what our enemies know about what we have been saying to ourselves for decades. How could it be otherwise?

    So the "Danger" is that increase sharing might also include the public? If there is a change here, it is that the public got into the loop. Is it possible that they might have to abide by a higher level of ethics to avoid embarrassing lies coming out in future leaks? Is it possible that this is the "Danger"?

    I am struggling here. So far I haven't heard about anything leaked which can be properly described as a "Danger" appeared with the leak itself. All of the best tidbits I have heard so far that might cause some diplomatic ruffle are due to actions that either 1) Should not have occurred (agreements to lie to the public), or 2) Need not have occurred (Let's call Putin "Batman").

    I don't like to negotiate in business with people that live in secret worlds. I don't like the fact that our government loves secrets. The default for government should be to play their cards on TOP of the table, face up. When secrets are really necessary, they become easier to keep if their numbers are few, and the period of secrecy is of very short duration.

  15. Which downsides? by ljw1004 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So far we haven't actually seen ANY downsides of the wikileaks...

    * We saw a german official get fired for leaking information to a foreign state
    * We saw the Yemeni government conspiring to lie to its people
    * We saw the UK foregin office trying to lie to the UK parliament about breaking international commitments on cluster bombs
    * US secretary of defense Bob Gates explained that the leaks haven't hurt the US

    There have ben only upsides so far.

  16. Re:write access only by detritus. · · Score: 2

    I have a feeling that the machines on the classified network didn't have USB ports.
    From what I've read, Pfc Manning went into the secure area and carried with him CD-RW's that when he checked in and out, had Lady Gaga and other artists written on them. The machines had a writable CD-ROM drives in them, and the people overseeing security apparently allowed soldiers to listen to music CD's on the drives, as access to the public internet wasn't possible from the classified network. He even said he lip-synced to artists making it appear to those around him he was merely listening to music to not raise suspicion, all the while he was pulling database files and writing them to the CD's. That's how he got them out of a secure area. To add insult to injury, the machines had removable hard drives that were wiped and re-imaged each time upon checking in and out, so the evidence of what was on these hard drives were lost when he left.

  17. When I Was Military... by IonOtter · · Score: 2

    I was in the US Navy for nine years, and the system we were using was WinNT.

    That was later shifted to an OS called "IT-21". It was a custom version of WinNT that had been cobbled together by SPAWAR. MS actually let them have the source code, so they could customize it. There were all kinds of tweaks, dibbles and fidgets added to it, but the biggest was to disable the USB ports, COM ports, and prevent the system from writing any info to the pagefile.

    Now, blocking off the pagefile was a touch of brilliance, but blocking the COM ports meant we couldn't hook a teletype to the computer. So when we were doing HF teletype exercises, messages either had to be loaded using Win98 or done by hand.

    And once the newer printers started coming out, blocking the USB ports gave everyone conniptions.

    For a while there, they played around with preventing the OS from writing anything at all to the floppy drive, but that lasted all of 1 day when comms shacks all over the WORLD started calling SPAWAR support, screaming about how they couldn't load the CO's traffic to disk.

    Soon, the patches came out, and IT-21 became just another hunk of crap we had to deal with. As time went on, we dumped it for Win2K. Before I left, I saw people using Vista Premium for classified traffic, so I doubt things have changed all that much.

    At the end of the day, it comes down to three things:

    1. Don't do shit that will make your people question your ethics.
    2. Screen out people who are, themselves, unethical.
    3. Trust but verify.

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  18. Re:Wait, wait. by evought · · Score: 2

    At one point I was responsible for transferring four classified laptops (they were fully loaded Sun Solaris laptops (by Tadpole, I think) and therefore rather expensive), external hard drives, and a pile of DAT tapes out of the Pentagon to a new secure facility elsewhere. All of the laptops and all of the (4-8GB) tapes were Top Secret. I had all of the paperwork, it was a legitimate transfer, and I followed all of the rules. When I got down to the Metro Station entrance (there is a DC Metro terminal connected directly to the first sub-floor of the Pentagon), I waited in line for the guard to check my paperwork and the file cart with all of the equipment. Unfortunately the guy in front of me had NOT filled out his paperwork correctly and got in a protracted argument with the guard (and yes, the guard was armed). This went on long enough that the exasperated guard waved me through. No one looked at my paperwork. No one looked at the cart or what was on it.

    We were told in one of the first security briefings that bad guys will often use the buddy system to work the guards. The first guy causes a minor but hard-to-resolve problem; the second guy walks out with all of the data. I am sure the guards were briefed on this too, but guards are human and have human weaknesses. They get bored, they get frustrated, and their job becomes routine. Often enough they don't want to give people like me trouble who were not causing any trouble for them. The fact that I was standing there politely probably had a lot to do with him waving me through. But a professional would have been calm and courteous and would have acted just like I did... and might have walked out with the whole kit and kaboodle. The equipment I was carrying alone was probably worth $100 grand at the time. Any extra equipment on the cart would have had no paper trail. Luckily I was a good guy; not everybody is.

    That is why you need security in depth and you need to use the buddy-system to make sure that one distracted guard doesn't let something by that he should not. But that is expensive and budgets are always under pressure. You also need to have a system where people believe they are on the right side and want to help protect the secrets because they know good people's lives depend on them. Corruption gets people killed as much as loose lips.

  19. Re:Cryptography is the answer by arivanov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That all _WAS_ there in the days when military systems ran on DGUX and Trusted Solaris. Things like not being cut-n-paste down data from a higher level security app into a lower level are just one of the basic features in both and are backed all the way to the OS level to ensure it is not easily bypassed.

    It all WENT AWAY with the windows infestation of the networks. The military should not blame anyone but themselves here. Security levels and "colour" books were defined for a reason and no Windows system has ever managed to comply to them while connected to a network (NT had a C cert while disconnected and stripped of floppies and removable media).

    As Gregg Lake used to sing: You get whatever Christmas you deserve and no knee jerk reaction can help against the fact that the system is no longer secure and no longer has a sufficient audit trail in the first place.

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  20. Re:Can't win for losing by azalin · · Score: 2

    And why is anyone able to access 250.000 items without raising a flag? If this would be about a dozen very revealing documents then it would be a mere oversight or someone being smart/lucky enough to get them out. But 250.000? Don't these systems have any log analyzers?

  21. Re:write access only by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    an INTEL analyst who was demoted for assault and scheduled for an early discharge should have had his SIPRNET access terminated.

    Word. USAF he'd have had a hard time keeping his nipr(unclassified) access, much less sipr.

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