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Medical Researcher Rediscovers Integration

parallel_prankster writes "I find this paper very amusing. From the abstract: 'To develop a mathematical model for the determination of total areas under curves from various metabolic studies.' Hint! If you replace phrases like 'curves from metabolic studies' with just 'curves,' then you'll note that Dr. Tai rediscovered the rectangle method of approximating an integral. (Actually, Dr. Tai rediscovered the trapezoidal rule.). Apparently this is called 'Tai's Model.'"

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  1. Not so simple... by rbayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, does anyone have a link to the actual article? TFS only seems to include an abstract. Second, this was published in 1994. Third, while it may simply seem that the author is rediscovering integration, the field of numerical integration is actually a rather rich one. It's all well and good to say "take an antiderivate and evaluate at the endpoints", but for a function that is found experimentally this is essentially nonsense. While the submitter here claims that this article is simply rediscovering the trapezoid rule, there's actually no such evidence given in the Abstract--algorithms for determining how big of rectangles/trapezoids/etc to use in your calculations is actually an active area of research (albeit usually for the multidimensional case) and it is possible that this researcher did actually discover a better algorithm for deciding how to do the numerical approximations.

  2. Re:So how is a 16 year old report news? by pieisgood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really it should be under idle, it's just the fact that the dude forgot all about calculus and went back and remade the approximate method of integration. His hubris must be punished by way of an Internet meme.

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  3. I hate it when that happens by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing spoils the joy of having an original idea more than discovering it's actually a basic concept of another discipline.

    1. Re:I hate it when that happens by pedantic+bore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing spoils the joy of having an original idea more than discovering it's actually a basic concept of another discipline.

      I used to feel that way, but now I don't. I've learned to take some comfort from the fact that if it's already a time-tested and useful idea, I can feel confident that I got it right.

      In my own field, there's often as much as a ten year lag before some young upstart grad student comes along and proves that my ideas are bogus, and I hate the suspense.

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  4. Re:And he needs a computer to do it for curves by eggnoglatte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given that this is highschool - level math, I'd say "reinventing" it primarily shows a shocking lack of education (for a doctor).

  5. Re:And he needs a computer to do it for curves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or evidence of having cheated his way through school like well over half of premeds [citation needed].

  6. Re:So how is a 16 year old report news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No better way to learn than to discover it yourself. You'll never forget Euclid's algorithm, but I have to look it up every time.

  7. it's everywhere by t2t10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You may laught at this, but you find the same thing in all fields. Programming language designers are writing papers on decades old language features, user interface researchers are getting lots of citations for decades old ideas or gimmicks from scifi movies, and theoretical computer science authors are woefully ignorant of statistics and machine learning. Mathematicians and physicists aren't immune either.

  8. Re:Y'all just got Riemann-rolled by guyminuslife · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if he isn't, the failure is on the journal for not properly reviewing the paper. If it's purportedly a mathematical paper (as in, the title starts with, "A Mathematical Model for....") then perhaps a mathematician should look at it.

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  9. Re:And he needs a computer to do it for curves by FrootLoops · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...he reinvented integration...

    "Reinvented" is putting it a bit strongly, at least from the abstract of the paper (I, shockingly, don't have access to the Diabetes Care journal to see the full extent of the "discovery"). As well as I can gather, he noticed the area of a curve can be approximated by making a bunch of rectangles underneath it, and that you can be "clever" and add a triangle above the rectangles to get an even better answer. That's not even close to reinventing integration. To be honest, it's not even integration in a formal sense; no idea of limits seems to be used, for instance, or boundedness, infinite sums, or infimums/supremums.

    Did he, say, find the fundamental theorem of calculus and derivatives, along with a few formulae like the binomial theorem which gives the usual power rule? Is he able to compute some integrals symbolically? If so, I'd be impressed. But, and without being able to read the article itself, he seems like a guy who got tired of counting cells on graph paper and noticed he could do a little better by drawing trapezoids.

  10. Re:And he needs a computer to do it for curves by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You subscribe to the common (and completely erroneous) delusion that doctors make a lot of money. While sure it might sound great to say your income is 400k a year as a specialist, and completely ignore the 10+ years of school it took to get there, the student loans, and since medicine is not really a career you can work your way through, that's 10 years of no income too. THEN give half of it to the government in taxes. THEN give half of THAT to the insurance companies for liability insurance. THEN pay for all your supplies. And then you can afford a modest lifestyle.

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    A physician.

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  11. Re:And he needs a computer to do it for curves by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doctors tend to complain that they can only afford a "modest lifestyle" but tend not to understand what they have is generally well above "modest."