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Gamers Abandoning DS, PSP In Favor of Smartphones

donniebaseball23 writes "IndustryGamers reports on new research from Interpret, which shows that more and more people are turning to their phones for game time, leaving the DS and PSP behind. 43.8% of the phone/DS/PSP gaming market plays games on phones, which represents a significant 53.2% increase over the past year. At the same time, Interpret says that the proportion of those who play on the DS or PSP has fallen by 13%. The company notes, 'Gamers appear to be defecting from their handheld gaming devices to phones to get their gaming kicks: a full 27.2% of consumers who indicate that they play games on their phones only (and not on the DS/PSP) actually own a DS or PSP, but do not actively use the device(s).' Notable games industry analyst Michael Pachter also recently commented that handhelds continue to decline and Sony's much rumored PSP2 would be 'dead on arrival' as smartphones continue to gain steam."

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  1. Sony is already working on it by devbox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yesterday the Playstation Phone was detailed. Sony Ericsson also already has a long history with mobile phones. Now, Nintendo might be in trouble here..

    1. Re:Sony is already working on it by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 2

      I look forward to the Playstation Phone, however it should be noted that Sony Ericsson has a long history with mediocre mobile phones.

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    2. Re:Sony is already working on it by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right, because the phone/game console hasn't been tried before -cough- Ngage -cough-. The problem with a phone/game platform is that people have to pay a contract which takes it away from a key market: kids. No parent wants to buy their kid a $300 Ubersmartphone, pay a $40 text/call/data plan on it per month AND buy the games. Not to mention all the different operating systems that make it impractical to be a real gamer and play all the good games no matter what the platform. It is feasible for someone to own a DS and PSP, it is feasible for someone to own a Wii, PS3 and 360. It however, is impractical for most people to own an Android, Windows Mobile, Symbian, iOS and BlackBerry phone.

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    3. Re:Sony is already working on it by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2

      The problem with a phone/game platform is that people have to pay a contract which takes it away from a key market: kids.

      This nails it.

      I know at least 5 kids withi DSes for every adult I know with one.

      Not to say that mobile phone gaming isn't on the rise; it clearly is -- but there are a couple key markets that, at this point, will not or cannot consider switching.

    4. Re:Sony is already working on it by Binestar · · Score: 2

      Games to get: Chrono Trigger, Super Mario All Stars, Rock and Roll Racing, Super Punch Out, FFIII, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and Pilot Wings.

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    5. Re:Sony is already working on it by hedwards · · Score: 2

      The real issue isn't the GPU or the CPU, the real issue is controls. Touch screens are great for certain types of games, but for the most part they tend not to work very well for more complicated games which require more complicated controls.

      Just look at what consoles have done to the FPS genre. The controls got dumbed down and I don't personally think that there was anything much added by doing it.

      Going from a small number of buttons to basically none isn't likely to be good for gameplay on games that are more involved than casual games.

    6. Re:Sony is already working on it by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My six year old has one. We got it for him last year. Or more accurately, I go my new phone, and he got my old one. Having a cell phone is a great idea for a kid. By having a phone, I can give him WAY more freedom, and know that he can find us if he needs something. Once we decided to get him a phone, a smart phone only made sense. Once you are already on a family plan, extra phones just are not that expensive.

      That said, it isn't even close to a replacement for a DS. Sure, the numbers look like phones are replacing traditional hand helds, but the numbers are deceptive. In 1995, the same know of statistics could show that gamers were abandoning traditional gaming in favor of Solitaire. After all, if you polled PC users, you would find that a much larger percentage of users played Solitaire than any other PC game. We can see how, while technically true, it is implying something that isn't true.

      Could cell phones replace traditional hand held game systems? Sure they could. Just adding regular buttons would help with that a lot. As they stand now, they don't. I still think that the solution is to make a case that the phone plugs into that has the gaming buttons. This could also be offered with a keyboard instead. This way the phone maker could make one model of phone, and sell it to the "It has to be as thin as physically possible", the "it is useless without a keyboard", and the "gaming" crowds. The key is that the protocol for the devices to talk to the phone must be standardized and open, so that you don't end up with a hundred different implementations.

    7. Re:Sony is already working on it by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      Except that the iPod Touch is not a phone, requires no contract, and plays the same games as the iPhone.

      Price is what is killing the game consoles. You can by a much cheaper game on iOS or Android than you can on PSP.

      More developers for the iOS and Android creates competition that do not exist on either the PSP or DS.

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  2. D-pad by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This might work for some genres but the staples of gaming, platformers, shooters, etc, require the precise control of a d-pad.

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    1. Re:D-pad by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Adding a d-pad to a phone is a lot cheaper than adding a phone to a games console.

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    2. Re:D-pad by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. The D-pad (along with the digital joystick) are the most precise input mechanisms around. They allow you to go in precisely 8 directions at precisely one speed with no error. And you can change between them instantaneously.

      Compare an analog joystick that allows you to move in many directions, but with more error. If you want to move at 45 degrees, you might end up going at 40 degrees and having to correct. It also takes time to sweep the joystick from one direction to another, and all those intermediate values are sent as input.

      Don't get me wrong, analog controls are useful too, but you wouldn't want to play MegaMan with them.

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    3. Re:D-pad by Theoboley · · Score: 2

      for the win.

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  3. Playstation Phone by bit+trollent · · Score: 2

    Isn't the PSP2 going to be an Android Playstation Phone?

    The only thing dead on arrival is this speculative article.

    1. Re:Playstation Phone by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2

      No the PSP Phone has another name, the PSP2 is a dedicated gaming device.

  4. Counterpoints by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't get that flash thing in the middle of the report link to load so all I have is the summary and article but I do know that Nintendo claimed to sell 900,000 DS Units on Black Friday. And I think the PSP is doing poorly in the United States but is dominating the DS in Japan -- I'm guessing this report's demographic was USA centric?

    Regardless, I own a Motorola DROID and until they release games like "Zelda: Spirit Tracks" for my phone, I'll need my DS.

    I would speculate that this is growth of the gaming market and not replacement like the summary seems to imply. I can't argue with the numbers but my gut would say that people who game on their phones do so on both devices. And nobody's going around buying a phone just to play games on so the DS & PSP still fill that market exclusively from cellphones.

    a full 27.2% of consumers who indicate that they play games on their phones only (and not on the DS/PSP) actually own a DS or PSP, but do not actively use the device(s).

    I'm not saying this quote is wrong but I am awfully suspect of that figure. They claim an online sample size of 9,000 but they don't say how many of those actually own both a gaming phone and PSP/DS. I would be interested in the hard numbers.

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  5. Correction by choko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Correction: Some regular people (not gamers) are turning to their smartphones for gaming. Gamers are people that have a discerning taste for games. Smartphone game quality is lacking (as are controls) when compared to a dedicated mobile gaming device. I've tried several smartphone games, and they are little more than time wasters. You play them a few times, and probably forget about them in a week. There are several titles for PSP that I actually make time to play. There are NO mobile phone/smartphone games I will MAKE time to play.

    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Correction: Some regular people (not gamers) are turning to their smartphones for gaming. Gamers are people that have a discerning taste for games.

      Self-justifying definition of "gamers" that excludes "regular people" because it doesn't suit your pseudo-elitist (*) view, a la
      the No True Scotsman fallacy.

      (*) Pseudo-elitist because "elitist" itself would still imply acceptance of your self-defined, self-justifying hierarchy that implies those who share your style of gaming are somehow more serious and real gamers.

  6. Ah, statistics by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the percentage of handheld gaming conducted on solely gaming device fell.

    What this doesn't prove is that gamers are "abandoning" the DS and PSP.

    It could just as likely mean that the pool of handheld devices that are game capable has exploded.

    If you had 150M handheld gaming devices back when phones sucked for gaming, and now there's a billion total - with 200M being dedicated devices and 800M being smartphones that can game effectively, then yes - the percentage that's DS/PSP plummets, while the total number still climbs.

    Without some actual numbers, I'm skeptical that it's wholesale abandonment. The growth of the pool is far more likely to me.

  7. WTF? by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So already I can't get popular titles to run on my kick ass workstation with high end graphic cards and monitors. To play them I would have to buy a crappy console and hook it up to my mediocre TV.

    Now, people want to move from that to playing on a phone?

    Seems we are going backwards here.

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    1. Re:WTF? by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2

      If you're pretending that you're somehow typical of the market, you're disillusioned. Sorry.

  8. That became clear to me by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2

    a few months ago when I was visiting an electronics store, and I saw a load of kiddies around the ipad displayed playing games, while the ordinary nintendo ds section and also the PSP sections were abandoned mostly. Ok it also has something to do with the device actually been usable while the others merely had the usual console displayed but it was blatantly clear where the train is heading.
    Add to that that the average handheld game on the ds and psp is around 45-50 euros here while the handheld games are dirt cheap and a no brainer to buy. In the end you spend
    more on smartphone games than you would on the average console.
    Classical example of low prices sellls more cashwise than the average console game.
    What I would say is this is a real thread for Nintendo which always had its stronghold in the handheld gaming sektor from where it could start its console experiments. That stronghold is seriously under attack. And in the usual Nintendo manner they probably will realise it two years after they are stone dead in the market.

    1. Re:That became clear to me by Stone316 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both myself and my son are gamers, so yes i'm biased. However, saying that the kids are all crowded around a demo ipad playing games means nothing. Its new, they most likely don't have one at home and excited because its the latest and greatest toy. When my son goes to the games store he stuck on whatever Wii title they are demo'ing... Half the time we have the damn thing at home and he doesn't touch it.

      I brought an ipad home from work for 2 weeks. Both my kids (gamer son, daughter) constantly used it the first few days. 2 weeks later I was the only one using it regularly and not for games. My son quickly reverted back to the DS, PSP, XBOX or PS3 to play games. Up until I brought an ipad home my daughter had a fund saving up for one. I think she spent it on clothes since then.. I haven't heard a peep.

      There are a few games that perfectly suit an ipad. I have a few puzzle games, line tracing games, etc. but other than that, any serious gamer is going to have a portable gaming device or a console. Can't wait to play me some Black Ops on an iPad, not....

      I have an iPhone and yes I play games on it but they are timewasters. I've tried the ones with the virtual keyboard/buttons and quite honestly it sucks. You end up missing because there is no tactile feed back, your finger blocks the screen because you pulled the joystick to far, end up dying, etc.

      These people playing games on their smartphone probably would probably never buy a portable gaming device.

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  9. Re:But gamers can change too by Hatta · · Score: 2

    If you want to play a game designed for the d-pad, then you should play that game on the proper platform.

    Agreed. For a great many great games that platform is not going to be a phone.

    Cell phones are all but required these days. Gaming platforms, not so much.

    I've never owned a cell phone, but I have a DS in my pocket right now. It would take some damn good games to get me to buy a cell phone, but because of the controls few great games are possible.

    The physical d-pad is slowly becoming the niche rather than the norm, and hard core gamers are just going to have to deal with it.

    Probably true. Quality is almost always a niche interest. Gamers might in fact be moving to cell phones, that doesn't mean it's a good thing for games, or gamers.

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  10. Re:Yea, Okay by 228e2 · · Score: 2

    Wow, you guys are missing the point.

    No sh1t a smartphone is limited! But no one wants to lug around a phone, a PC, a camera, mp3 player, a pager, kindle and a PS3!! Hello! Thats why its practical to buy a $300 phone in lieu of a nice phone/camera/etc. Im honestly bewildered that this concept is such a surprise or if all the dissenters have Sony stock.

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  11. what kids are using by reversible+physicist · · Score: 2

    For some reason a lot of people are ignoring the obvious: the iPod touch (and old iPhone's given to kids). Away from consoles, I mostly see kids playing with these (and with their parents iPhones). One friend's kid plays with his Android phone, but she's just 1 and mostly chews on it.