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Ex-Sun CEO Warns Oracle of Death By Open Source

gearystwatcher writes "Former Sun CEO Scott McNealy talks to The Reg on where things went wrong, and acquisition by Oracle: 'We probably got a little too aggressive near the end and probably open sourced too much and tried too hard to appease the community and tried too hard to share,' McNealy said. 'You gotta take care of your shareholders or you end up very vulnerable like we got. We were a wonderful acquisition — we got stolen for a song at the bottom of the Dow.'"

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  1. Business vs Open Source by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Definitely, if all the valuable assets of your business is in software (Solaris, StarOffice, Java, etc) and you give away such software for free then your business does not make sense at all.

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    1. Re:Business vs Open Source by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Definitely, if all the valuable assets of your business is in software (Solaris, StarOffice, Java, etc) and you give away such software for free then your business does not make sense at all.

      Those "valuable assets" of the business are now worth nothing, better free alternatives exist. The part that doesn't make sense is not successfully moving onward to a consultative / training / services based business structure.

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    2. Re:Business vs Open Source by mrcaseyj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sun just couldn't compete with Linux and Intel. Open sourcing wasn't the problem. It probably helped, just not enough.

    3. Re:Business vs Open Source by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd say Java was pretty valuable. Love or hate Java, it's used all over the place.

      They just never figured out a way to turn that mass user base into serious profit without losing their users.

    4. Re:Business vs Open Source by marcosdumay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is the point. Java is only valuable begause it is given away for free. If Sun (or Oracle now) tried to sell it, it would be nearly worthless.

    5. Re:Business vs Open Source by xtracto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, and part of the reason the free alternatives exist is because Sun made them free (e.g. Openoffice, or Java open-source friendliness).

      What Sun failed to do when open-sourcing their "valuable software assets" was to establish a business plan to go with it. RedHat has a business plan related to go with their open-source Linux distributions; IBM has a business plan to go with their Eclipse open-source software... Sun? even though I like them a lot ... it is true that they were not business sound from a long time.

      They had the complete vertical stack (hardware [Sparc], middleware [Java] and software [Solaris] and services [cloud services]) but never really came up with a business plan.

      Again, it has been really good for us (the open source community, free software advocates) but it was terrible for the economic viability of the Sun corporation (thus resulting in its end).

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    6. Re:Business vs Open Source by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sun bought Cobalt, a successful Linux server business, and instead of capitalizing on it, buried it. That alone is worth the corporate death penalty. If Sun had swallowed their pride and put their weight fully behind their Linux server business they would now own a serious share of the world's server rooms, not to mention the personal server business. Consider: Red Hat's market cap is now over 9 billion, and that without any hardware offering. How on earth did Sun miss the party?

      The weirdest thing is, Larry Ellison fully intends to continue the idiocy of shoving Solaris and Sparc down the throats of customers who don't want it. The inevitable result couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

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  2. Re:Blame open-source by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The mistake they made was that they forgot (or didn't know how) to monetize the open source solutions they had. OpenSolaris was great, Java was great, OpenOffice was great but there was no option to buy support or custom development for those products. The only way was to go with closed Solaris and StarOffice which were quite different products and required IT folks to migrate. Basically they pushed OpenSolaris as a development vehicle for their closed Solaris which made for a bunch of OpenSolaris installs way ahead and more feature-rich (patch-wise) than Solaris, migrating back was a pain (or impossible if you upgraded your ZFS pools), installing Sun software on it was a pain.

    If anything I would say they didn't open source enough of their products for it to be a success. OpenSolaris would've been great in a well-marketed product like Nexenta did - take the closed source out of it, allow for the great amount of Linux software to run directly on it and make it easy as Ubuntu. But their stock repositories were crap and hard to find requiring signing up to get keys or stick to the handful of community repos. Their HA and Storage solutions are still the best you can find in the market but again, hard to install on OpenSolaris and not very compatible with other software and systems.

    Their hardware was also overpriced which pushed them right out of the market. I can understand the higher pricing on their SPARC products but not for their generic x86 systems.

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  3. Meally mouthed by Stumbles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's strange. Red Hat does all via Open Source and is about to pass the $1 Billion mark. Sounds like to me McNeally was a very poor CEO and it had nothing to do with the things they Open Sourced.

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  4. Re:Nothing to do with it by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's more that Linux became "good enough" for a lot tasks and was cheaper. Having worked around both, Solaris still has features that if it's needed are worth the money.

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  5. Re:IBM did well with Java (and other F/OSS softwar by voss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IBM has seen open source as a means of creating "solutions" for customers not a money maker in of itself. Ibm views linux as a sturdy and inexpensive tool that it can spend money to become very expert at. Sun sells expensive tools, IBM sells solutions to customers needs using inexpensive tools. That is why IBM is very very rich.

  6. Re:IBM did well with Java (and other F/OSS softwar by davecb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interestingly, IBM and Oracle got more value out of using Java than Sun did by writing it. That appears to have been one of the decision points for Oracle.

    One of the extra advantages of Linux for IBM was that it offered a new OS for the 390s, and of a very popular flavor. Sun already had a Unix OS for SPARC, so they didn't get the added value.

    Sun was, IMHO, always a "BSD vs Bell" shop: they understood the struggle to free BSD, and learned how to deal with Bell and the commercial world, but that's where they stopped.

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