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Twitter Gets Major Funding, Adds New Data Center

1sockchuck writes "Twitter has announced new funding led by Kleiner Perkins, with reports placing the new round at $200 million for a valuation of $3.7 billion. Twitter CEO Dick Costolo said the microblogging service added more than 100 million new accounts in the past 12 months. That kind of growth requires a lot of servers, so Twitter will open a new data center in Sacramento as it begins to operate its own facilities, following a path forged by Google and Facebook."

125 comments

  1. Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another company blows all their money on a data center...

    In 5 years, the newest fad will arrive, and Twitter will be out of business, or suffer extreme drops in revenue and users.

    Don't believe me? How's MySpace these days? Or Gawker? Or one of the other dot-coms that went under after their popularity waned.

    1. Re:Yay... by devbox · · Score: 0

      Another company blows all their money on a data center...

      Yeah, I think it's quite unbelievable that companies are wasting their money on things they require in their business. There must be like a million better uses for it than actually making sure their business works and grows.

    2. Re:Yay... by Stregano · · Score: 4, Funny

      There must be like a million better uses for it

      coke and hookers?

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    3. Re:Yay... by entotre · · Score: 2

      True, but because twitter is driven by marketing, i like better comparing it to Second Life

    4. Re:Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is silly. That companies will decline or fail in the future is not an argument against infrastructure expansion.
      Presumably the other options -- renting servers, or doing nothing at all -- were not attractive to Twitter.
      Even if they do fail, an asset like a data center is still salable or rentable.

    5. Re:Yay... by matazar · · Score: 2

      My question is how many of those 100 million accounts post more than 1 message before they become forgotten. How many last more than a week....

    6. Re:Yay... by dummondwhu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it surely makes no sense to grow as much as possible when the opportunity presents itself because it's going to all come undone at some point. We might as well hide under our beds instead of going to work. Hell, I know the work I'm doing now is going to be a useless piece of shit in a decade, so why bother?

    7. Re:Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no thats Yahoo!

    8. Re:Yay... by igreaterthanu · · Score: 2

      Also in 5 years the value of the equipment in said data center will have dropped substantially.

      The land, if they own it, can be sold easily.

      So why does this matter again?

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    9. Re:Yay... by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      Suffer extreme drops in revenue? what revenue?

    10. Re:Yay... by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Another company blows all their money on a data center...

      In 5 years, the newest fad will arrive, and Twitter will be out of business, or suffer extreme drops in revenue and users.

      Don't believe me? How's MySpace these days? Or Gawker? Or one of the other dot-coms that went under after their popularity waned.

      Yes. Clearly if Myspace can't make it, no other company can make it and every company that is doing well should just give up.

      -Taylor

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    11. Re:Yay... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 1

      Hopefully some of that money will be spent on IT things, like security. ...come to think of it, I know some security-oriented IT people who would be interested in working there. I wonder how one would apply to work there?

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    12. Re:Yay... by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not sure about anything else but they do have sponsored trending topics. So there is at least some revenue.

    13. Re:Yay... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      'cause obviously once you build a data center optimized for Twitter, it can't possibly be used for anything else... hey, maybe somebody should invent a general purpose computer, instead of these damn servers that can only host one application!

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    14. Re:Yay... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      But this data center is for twits.

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    15. Re:Yay... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      That companies will decline or fail in the future is not an argument against infrastructure expansion.

      No, but the fact that around 70% of tweets are completely ignored should be telling them something about how effective their infrastructure investment is going to be.

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    16. Re:Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But at something like 90 million tweets per day, that means over 10 million are not ignored. That's nothing to sneeze at. They are also not in a position to judge what tweets are important enough to serve, so they have to have infrastructure for all of them. If I were one of the creators, I'd be happy with my money, even if many people think the whole thing is a joke. I don't see the point myself, but I'm not going to rag on something that's obviously making someone a bucket load of cash.

    17. Re:Yay... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Why do they need to be in the data center business? What benefit do they gain from having to deal with HVAC and power and all the other nonsense that comes from running a data center? They could just co-locate in a current data center and probably negotiate one hell of a good deal if they really are big enough that they were able to build their own center. How much space do they REALLY need? All they are doing is tossing around 160 (?) character text bursts. It isn't like they have persistent connections for those hundreds of millions of users.

    18. Re:Yay... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      But why should Twitter build the data center? There are companies out there that just build data centers. I almost went to work for one two years ago. They own the One Wilshire building in Los Angeles. They were planning on building something stupid amount (15?) of data centers over the next couple of years. It would be interesting to see the ROI figures on Twitter's data center build out.

    19. Re:Yay... by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How did this get +3 on the moderation? I'm going to guess twitter haters?
      Not all huge sites are shrinking in size, look at facebook, youtube, google themselves.

      Twitter is one of the greatest new forms of communications in the last 20 years.
      My first 2 tweets stayed for 6+ months iirc and were just "twitter is lame" and "update: twitter is still a wank" or something like that.
      I didn't 'get' twitter.

      Now that I do, I do not understand why on earth SMS still exists, this website / application(s) allows me to talk to people instantly across the planet with a 0$ fee (unlike SMS) and I can include pictures, links or whatever, I can use trending topics to see what is big in the world right this second! (yes, that's big)
      When someone posts "is that an earthquake?!" I go to twitter, type in earthquake and can have confirmation in seconds

      Twitter allows manufacturers, famous people and important people to instantly share messages and thoughts with people. There is an awful awful lot of stupid and irrelivant shit, mark my words I understand this but inbetween all that it's amazing, utterly amazing.

      I can see my friends have conversations - and yes they can do it privately but they can also do it publically, that ability to see their conversation - is almost like being at a resteraunt or bar where everyone is having a chat - my ears are tuning in (if I desire) to their conversation and I can at any moment join in, all wirelessly, all instantly - in any timezone.

      I don't often praise things and it sure as shit took me a while to get it, infact until you literally have an account and follow a couple of people, I totally get hating on it - the interface is silly to understand at first, once you do get it - it's incredible, utterly incredible.

      My only problem with twitter, or rather their only problem is that I simply can not fathom how they can monetize it - in any way. Google however purchased Youtube and I distinctly recall me saying "what the fuck is google thinking? 4 billion? That's stupid - this is googles first big mistake" - I mean there was no ads back then and it was 5 years ago, bandwidth is fucking expensive and they just paid money to serve up terabytes of data a day, why?!
      Anyhow: TLDR is that twitter should utterly replace SMS, without question, SMS is completely dead to me, all my friends with twitter I can tweet in seconds, it's a fucking incredibly powerful and clever communications tool, once you learn it, you'll love it.

    20. Re:Yay... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 1

      By the look of the article, they may well be going with a colo.

      And you'd be surprised how much traffic that they generate--keep in mind, they're serving gigabytes a day, as each of those people tweeting is reading others' tweets, so each 160-byte iteration gets multiplied by however many people 'follow' that tweeter.

      There's many accounts that have >1Million followers; that means each tweet multiplies into ~160 megabytes of traffic.

      We're talking some serious database wrangling going on; I'm surprised that they've managed to go this far without having multiple dedicated server farms and still show any kind of responsiveness.

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    21. Re:Yay... by icebraining · · Score: 2

      That measurement is flawed. 70% of tweets are not replied to. You can't possibly know if they're being ignored or not.

      I don't have a Twitter account, but I've used its search to check what people are saying about $subject. Of course I won't reply, but I'm still interested in reading them.

    22. Re:Yay... by frozentier · · Score: 1

      You're missing a lot of fads that are gone, such as facebook, YouTube, Google... there's just nothing on the internet anymore.

    23. Re:Yay... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      (Are you trolling? If so, I bit the hook..)

      How can twitter "replace" SMS? Twitter *uses* SMS. I virtually never go to the twitter web site, I receive the tweets directly on my phone, via SMS. (Yes, there are twitter apps too, but they don't seem any more convenient to me.)

    24. Re:Yay... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "There are companies out there that just build data centers."

      The fact that they "just build data centers" is no guarantee that they will build them better than the company that build datacenters on top of something else. Once you are big enough in an industry, there's no guaranteed benefit in going out for a provider. In fact you are *guaranteed* in the limit that it will be cheaper to do it yourself (your costs will be just the same than those of the provider but you will save on its benefits).

      So the question is not why they build their own datacenter but if they'll be up to the task.

    25. Re:Yay... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      No twitter CAN use SMS, do you not have data on your mobile phone plan?
      Are *YOU* trolling?

    26. Re:Yay... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Of course I have data.. but since I want the tweets to 'come to me' rather than have me seek them out(*), SMS seems like the only way to currently do that.

      (*) I have in the past wished for a twitteremail gateway so I could get a whole page of very frequent tweeters as an email once a day. But generally, I like getting it via SMS.

    27. Re:Yay... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      You don't have push notifications on your phone?
      Maybe in the US, SMS's are free but where I am they vary from 5 to 30cents - that's a lot of money over thousands of tweets.

      Data is the future, SMS packets are dead soon.

    28. Re:Yay... by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      They've *been* in either a dedicated server or colo arrangement, but as I understand it have decided that they want their own facility. Perhaps someone there believes rightly or otherwise that it will save them $.

    29. Re:Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that I do, I do not understand why on earth SMS still exists

      Because everyone has a phone number but not twitter id? Because everyone isn't so in love with the single-vendor model?

      Don't get me wrong, SMS has various design and implementation flaws, but praising twitter as the solution is just wrong. To start with, accepting that one vendor has 100% control of the system is just insane.

    30. Re:Yay... by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I think it's silly to declare Twitter as the next and only thing. I don't use it, most of the people I know don't use it, so that's kind of a barrier in itself. Should I have to go around and tell people they need to use Twitter so I can keep up with them? Why not just Facebook? Why not Google Voice? Honestly, I like Voice (so long as it remains free), and it's kind of awesome that I can just send a text message to a bunch of people much more quickly at a computer. I don't have to worry about who follows Twitter, who's on Facebook, nothing.

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    31. Re:Yay... by tsa · · Score: 1

      I tried to find some infor on their turnover and profit over 2009 on their website but I couldn't find anything. Where can you find such info?

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    32. Re:Yay... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      You / someone had to go through a point of telling people "hey you should try facebook" same with google voice and all social networks.
      Now, facebook has hit huge huge penetration. I'd almost say /most/ 15 to 40 y/o westerners, using the internet are on facebook, speculation but honestly - few people I know don't have it and I'm 32 and know a lot of hateful nerds who wouldn't normally sign up for stuff like that.

      Twitter is here to stay.

    33. Re:Yay... by John+Betonschaar · · Score: 2

      Twitter is one of the greatest new forms of communications in the last 20 years.

      I stopped reading after that comment, you must be completely out of your mind if you really thing blasting out 140-character blurbs that are only indexable/searchable by stupid free-form hashtags to random sets of people who are 'following' you constitutes 'one of the greatest forms of communications over the last 20 years'. Twitter is not about communication, at least not two-way communication, it's broadcasting, and a very limited and in most cases useless implementation of it. As soon as you try following over 10 people or want to know stuff about some hashtag, the big mess of unrelated, unconnected, context-less crap you get everytime you hit refresh all but blocks out the tiny bits of useful information you sometimes find in some peoples' tweets. Or do you only send private tweets, in which case you're simply using Twitter as an alternative to SMS text-messages.

      Twitter has only one use, which is as a broadcast mechanism for people who actually have something interesting to say (less than 1% of people I guess), and it's a pretty poor implementation of it because the 1% useful stuff gets drowned in the 99% of useless crap. For actual communication with people you know something like Facebook is a million times better because it provides message history, context, a network of connections instead of just 'followers' and 'following', etc. For communicating with people you don't know (yet) you might as well just use an e-mail. For broadcasting interesting stuff you'd first have to have interesting stuff in the first place, which doesn't hold for the vast majority of stuff. If you're a rock star or a politician running for president, a Twitter account is great, because you can pretend caring about keeping your fans 'up-to-date' by having an associate make up some tweets every now and then. If you really have something interesting to say and use twitter functionally: yes, Twitter is the 'greatest form of communications of the last 20 years', for you and the rest of the 0.1% of people who fall in the same category.

      My first experiences with twitter were just like yours, then I thought 'I got it' and changed my mind, and I thought twitter was great so I started following people. Then I found out how useless it is because tweets have no context, and I'd be wading through worthless tweets (even the ones from interesting people) just to find out why the fuck they were (re-)tweeting someone. Finally I gave up with the conclusion that Twitter is a useless hyped-up fad for about everything. You give a whole list of examples of how great twitter is for this and that, but litteraly none of these are not better served by other communication channels. Communicating with friends? Use a social networking site. Communicating with and updating customers? Use your freaking corporate website. Sending pictures and links? Every common communication method right now has that (Facebook, website, blog, e-mail). The stupid 'I can find out everything about the earthquake' example I see people mention so often? Before you'd know there even was an earthquake somewhere, news sites all over the world would be reporting on it already, or do you randomly search for #earthquake all day? And even if you'd find out before some topic hits news sites, what kind of actual useful information can you filter out by looking at 10,000 tweets saying "OMG THERE'S AN EARTHQUAKE HERE #earthquake"?

      Really, twitter will go down by it's own success, the whole idea of people sharing everything is stupid, because it will inevitably lead to an overload of irrelevant or useless information, drowning the useful bits. There's a reason we have journalists, editors, reporters, newspapers, news channels and 50 different ways of private communication, and the reason is to filter out useless information, because our minds have limited capacity. Twitter is in no way 'the greatest form of communication in 20 years'. It's just 'a way' of 'some form of communication' that is 'great in a few situations' but 'useless in most'.

    34. Re:Yay... by bint · · Score: 2

      "[...] Read the rest of this comment..."

      I kind of understand why you don't like twitter ;)

    35. Re:Yay... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      I understand your point, so I guess they should have payed a higher price, and delt with Amazon cloud computing to host all their services and bandwidth, instead of buying their own datacenter, at some point you need to see the diff. between buying and leasing. Maybe they could get away with it now, and the risk is being stuck with a data center in the future that you can resell, if your popularity wanes, and you have to let go some people and downsize.

    36. Re:Yay... by Aeros · · Score: 1

      can you twitter in Second life?

    37. Re:Yay... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Like icebraining said, it's not replied to, not ignored. Furthermore, I would expect a high number of "not replied to" messages. How many comments on Slashdot message threads aren't replied to?

      Let's say you have a poster who makes a statement A. There are 3 replies B, C, and D. B, in turn, gets 3 replies E, F and G while C gets one, H. Now we have 8 comments. Of these, 3 got replies and 5 weren't replied to. This very simple situation results in 62.5% of comments on this thread not having a reply. Toss in a few more comments here and there and the figure could easily climb to 70% (if not more).

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    38. Re:Yay... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I love Twitter also and would just like to make a clarification to this:

      There is an awful awful lot of stupid and irrelivant shit, mark my words I understand this but inbetween all that it's amazing, utterly amazing.

      One man's stupid and irrelevant tweet is another person's highly useful tweet. If someone tweets about a great new rap song they just heard, I couldn't care less. But to fans of that music genre, it could be an introduction to a song that they love. Similarly, if I tweet about something my kid did, some people might yawn and roll their eyes, but other parents might chuckle as their kids have done something similar. I think there's very little on Twitter that *nobody* finds useful.

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    39. Re:Yay... by neoform · · Score: 1

      >Twitter is one of the greatest new forms of communications in the last 20 years.

      Feel free to tell me what twitter's business model will be (they still don't have one).

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    40. Re:Yay... by PraiseBob · · Score: 1

      something that's obviously making someone a bucket load of cash.

      I believe that is the point... Have they ever turned a profit? Do they have any company strategy whatsoever to actually generate revenue, or are they simply relying on "investors" as their profit model ?

      Investor A is paid by Investor B who is paid by Investor C... where have I seen that before?

    41. Re:Yay... by pete_norm · · Score: 1

      I have an account and have never posted a thing. Even then, I use it everyday to read on my different subjects of interest. So posting history is not that important.

  2. One question that we all want to know by santax · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, when they get that second server, will we be able to at least get 255 chars in a tweet?

    1. Re:One question that we all want to know by Stregano · · Score: 1

      No, but 10,000 more fake Puff Daddy twitter accounts will appear in its place

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    2. Re:One question that we all want to know by tux0r · · Score: 2

      It's not the technology upgrades which will engender longer tweets, it's profitability.

      When the new subscription rate slows and Twitter decides that promotion/advertising revenue isn't enough, I expect the ability to tweet longer will be a "premium" (paid) enhancement. 140 char tweets stay free, but if you load up your account with Twitter credits ("Twedits"?), every block of 70 extra chars costs you x twedits...

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    3. Re:One question that we all want to know by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Now, when they get that second server, will we be able to at least get 255 chars in a tweet?

      The limit is based on the restrictions of making tweets SMS-compatible, so, no.

    4. Re:One question that we all want to know by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2

      No, but 10,000 more fake Puff Daddy twitter accounts will appear in its place

      Hey, now. Don't be mad at P. Diddy. It took so long for Puff to register alternate names that some people got them before Diddy did. Puffy's doing his best, and I'm sure Sean will get the last of them before his next name change.

    5. Re:One question that we all want to know by icebraining · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenated_SMS

      Isn't this supported by US providers? It's common here.

  3. Another fine investment decision... by Denny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are Twitter at any point going to get a revenue stream?

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    1. Re:Another fine investment decision... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a popular response, but they've been profitable since they began the Google/Bing search deals last November/December. It looks like this round is to catalyse and sustain growth.

    2. Re:Another fine investment decision... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Wait, why would earning actual revenue be a requirement for a startup being worth investing millions in or paying billions for?

      Now that's just silly!

    3. Re:Another fine investment decision... by eepok · · Score: 1

      Access to personal records = $$ Marketing = $$ Understanding influence dynamics = $$ They're just selling info and access.

    4. Re:Another fine investment decision... by omnibit · · Score: 2

      Are Twitter at any point going to get a revenue stream?

      Yes. They're now selling promoted tweets for up to $100,000. Engagement rates were significantly higher than what was seen on Google's sponsored links, though that's likely due to its novelty. With enough promoted tweets however, you could start to see some serious cash rolling in.

    5. Re:Another fine investment decision... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Are Twitter at any point going to get a revenue stream?

      Ah the Ponzi scheme.

    6. Re:Another fine investment decision... by rochocinco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where are you getting that info? There were a lot of reports end of last year about them being profitable. But, in August of this year, they admitted they are not profitable. There is an interview on CNN Money.

    7. Re:Another fine investment decision... by pankkake · · Score: 1

      They have one: clueless investors.

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  4. The funding was delivered in the form... by forkfail · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... of 1,428,571 $1.40 checks, so it'll take a while before they can actually use it...

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  5. Wow by ferrocene · · Score: 1

    I'm still blown away that a company such a simple idea, run on such a simple site, requires a CEO.

    He's like the CEO of txt messages.

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    1. Re:Wow by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Not really, some text messages can send pictures, music, and sometimes video (depending on the phone). Well, if you are using a N-Gage QD, maybe.

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    2. Re:Wow by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Clearly you subscribe to a different definition of "text" than I do.

  6. Says something about the state of things by thewils · · Score: 3, Funny

    Consecutive articles on /. $30M for biofuel research, $200M for twitter. We're fucked, but at least we can tweet about it.

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    1. Re:Says something about the state of things by mistiry · · Score: 1

      Completely.
      Utterly.
      Entirely.
      Correct.

    2. Re:Says something about the state of things by Bryan3000000 · · Score: 2

      But biofuel research has no immediate profitability or practical necessity (since we have oil), while Twitter is a highly, um, used, uh, and even my refrigerator can use twitter if I, uh, and there's a lot of profit just waiting to be, uh, figured out how to, um, be made somehow [yeah, we're screwed]

    3. Re:Says something about the state of things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. What a freakin' waste of money.

    4. Re:Says something about the state of things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But biofuel research has the potential to drive the oil companies out of business so they'll block it any way they can

      FTFY

    5. Re:Says something about the state of things by asvravi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, all 100 million of us. I just wish they let me have my $2M in cash.

  7. Sacramento? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the abundant solar offset the enormous cooling requirements during the Summer months?

    Do they hope to be involved with CA government somehow?

    I'm not knocking the choice. You're close enough to the BA to stil have some connection, and housing in the area is very affordable for the time being. You shouldn't have any trouble finding educated people to work there.

    I'm just curious what the rationale was for that location.

  8. Amazing Innovation : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a 140 character constraint.

    Yours In Miami,
    K. Trout, C.I.O.

  9. Location of Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somewhere between twat and shitter

  10. Simple concept but . . . . by Liquidretro · · Score: 1

    Simple concept yes, but simple to scale? no, simple to manage adding new features? no simple to manage adding 100M new accounts a year?, no Simple to do way over 50 million tweets a day? no In January of this year they were doing 50M tweets a day, but they have added 100M users since then. Just think of how many they are doing now, so yes they need a CEO http://blog.twitter.com/2010/02/measuring-tweets.html Plus they have to figure out how to make money on all of this.

  11. Bringing Second Life to Twitter by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

    #===> #===> #===>

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  12. Now.... by wholestrawpenny · · Score: 1

    Twitter servers in Sacramento? One more reason to hope California falls into the ocean.

  13. Twitter... I just don't get it by dskoll · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe I'm too old (hey... get off my lawn! Sorry...) but I just don't get the appeal of Twitter. Billions of tweets per day of which maybe 7 aren't banal. Never mind the business model, I just don't get anything about Twitter.

    1. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by straponego · · Score: 1

      Well, granted, but you see: people are stupid.

    2. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      Speaking for myself it's a cheap way of keeping in touch with a group of people I know that share a similar interest. For the most part we treat it as a glorified chat room.

    3. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by shish · · Score: 2

      It's IRC, badly re-implemented over port 80; the only real improvement is global stats, so you can see which chan^H^H^H^Hhashtags are most active at any time

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    4. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Facegarden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe I'm too old (hey... get off my lawn! Sorry...) but I just don't get the appeal of Twitter. Billions of tweets per day of which maybe 7 aren't banal. Never mind the business model, I just don't get anything about Twitter.

      Maybe you are too old. I use Twitter to see what my friends are doing. The old people will say "bah, well I *call* my friends and talk to them, grumble grumble", but I can't call everyone all the time. I have friends that I don't talk to that often, because we run in different circles, but that doesn't mean I don't care about them. If they got a new job or they're having fun on a vacation, I'm happy to know, just the same as if I bumped into them at a party and they told me. It's not highly meaningful discourse, but it's not different from a lot of the interactions we have with people on a daily basis. Only I don't have to live across the street from them to bump into them.

      Specifically, I live in Silicon Valley near San Jose, and I have a lot of friends who live in San Francisco. I'm busy, and I work crazy hours, so its nice to just get an idea for what they're up to. Or sometimes they'll share a funny link, and that amuses me. I use twitter on my Android phone, so it's best for idle time - waiting for a computer to reboot, waiting for the microwave, waiting for Starbucks to finish my drink. Just times where I have a few minutes, and I'd otherwise just stare off somewhere. At Starbucks, actually, I normally try to chat with people so as to not be antisocial, but sometimes there's no one to chat with. So I check twitter and find out what my friends are doing.

      And often they're talking about plans they have to go to a party, or go to a concert or some cool event, and then I give them a call and might go myself an meet up with them. So I get to go to a party with a friend that I may not have realized was happening, just because of twitter.

      So plenty of people don't get twitter, but I'm a real person who gets real use out of it. I may not have explained it perfectly, but all I can say is that it fits in with my lifestyle. I'm a 26 year old techie, your lifestyle may vary and twitter may be useless to you.

      But more so than anything, I find it funny how people always feel the need to let people know that they don't understand twitter.
      -taylor

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    5. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by eepok · · Score: 1

      You see, I continually miss that step in my line of attempting to rationalize things like Twitter and Facebook. I always go the route of "people need to feel like they're noticed" and "people who don't like who they were try to reinvent themselves online instead of real life"...

      ... but I can just stop at "people are stupid".

    6. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by NiceGeek · · Score: 2

      It's not age that is a factor, it's the unwillingness to adapt to new things. I'm 43, I remember fondly things like my Commodore 64, my Atari 2600, and 70s 80s music, but I refuse to be stuck there.
      Times change, you either change with them or you get left behind. I find Twitter an interesting and useful way of keeping up with my friends, some of whom are thousands of miles away. We've even used Twitter to co-ordinate a get together of some folks from across the US.

    7. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by butalearner · · Score: 1

      Turns out a lot of companies give away free stuff on twitter. I made an account a few weeks ago solely to try and get said free stuff. Also turns out that a lot of other people do this, so it isn't working out too well for its original purpose.

      But on the bright side, if you follow the right people it's quite interesting. Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson), for example, is active there and definitely worth following.

    8. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      [sigh the standard karma whoring response to posts about Facebook and Twitter.]

      Maybe I'm too old (hey... get off my lawn! Sorry...) but I just don't get the appeal of Twitter.

      It's more likely you don't comprehend the universe doesn't revolve around you and other people have other interests. (BTW, I'm 47, so how old is 'too old'?)
       

      Billions of tweets per day of which maybe 7 aren't banal.

      Let's check my twitter stream today... One tweet containing my daily photo shoot 'assignment' (from a site dedicated to sending out such to encourage creativity). One tweet from my local paper linking to an article about roads re-opening today after flooding over the weekend. Two tweets from a photographer I'm following letting me know about a place where has a guest article, and another to an eBay auction where he's selling some used gear. (Great deals too... but he shoots Nikon and I shoot Canon, so no soup for me.) One from a an online woodworking guild reminding me of this weeks meeting. One tweet from a cook/author I follow asking for help with some historical research... A pretty typical day, none of it 'banal'.

    9. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by dskoll · · Score: 1

      Thanks; that was a good explanation. I think it really is an age/generation gap.

      I keep up with my friends via email or IRC (I *do* get IRC because you can have relatively meaningful conversations over IRC, or you can use it Twitter-like just to splat up up interesting URL.)

      When I have idle time, I don't like to be communicating, checking Twitter, checking IRC, etc. I like to just do nothing. I seldom get a chance to do that, so zoning out for a bit and disconnecting is very refreshing.

    10. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Thanks; that was a good explanation. I think it really is an age/generation gap.

      I keep up with my friends via email or IRC (I *do* get IRC because you can have relatively meaningful conversations over IRC, or you can use it Twitter-like just to splat up up interesting URL.)

      When I have idle time, I don't like to be communicating, checking Twitter, checking IRC, etc. I like to just do nothing. I seldom get a chance to do that, so zoning out for a bit and disconnecting is very refreshing.

      Yeah, I do notice that sometimes I have this weird anxiety about being connected, like I should be reading something on the web, even when I have nothing to read. I get so used to checking the phone, I'll keep checking it, and have this odd anxiety when nothing is there.

      Finding a balance is interesting. The connected world offers so much, its easy to get sucked in. When I'm walking through a parking lot, its easy to read my phone and just keep my peripheral vision out to avoid hitting something, but that's stupid. If I catch myself doing that, I make sure I put my phone in my pocket and check out what's going on in the real world. Enjoy the trees and the breeze.

      So doing nothing would be nice sometimes. But I do like having twitter there too. I don't *always* want to do nothing.
      -Taylor

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    11. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      ... A pretty typical day, none of it 'banal'.

      In fairness to the GP, most of twitter's posts are banal. The fact is these aren't randomly distributed.

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    12. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Huh? Did you post something? Sorry, I almost missed it.

      Seriously though, this is why you and I will never become rich. We don't identify with the mass of humanity that finds such things useful or interesting.

      I always sucked at trying to guess answers when I watched Family Feud. The answers had nothing to do with what was right, but what was popular. *shrug* Lucky thing I have a profession where people need that answers to be right, and are willing to pay for it.

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    13. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by he-sk · · Score: 1

      One tweet containing my daily photo shoot 'assignment' ...

      LNK PLZ, K TNX BYE! ;-)

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    14. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by garompeta · · Score: 1

      For smart people there are two options: being a social pariah, or owning the society. Mark geekberg, I mean, Mark Suckerberg ended up owning it, literally.

    15. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by frozentier · · Score: 1

      My grandmother doesn't get the appeal of the internet either, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

    16. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Then you aren't an attention whore.

      Attention whoring is what twitter is for, thats all. Its so people who think someone else gives a shit about what they can say in half a thought have a place to spew their ignorant incoherent incomplete thoughts.

      Other than that, its about the biggest step backwards in communications ability I think we've experienced in history. I think a world wide EMP that wiped out all electronics would be less damaging than twitter and SMS in general.

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    17. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Zorque · · Score: 1

      It's kind of like the Kardashians. Literally nobody knows what it does, it doesn't contain a single original or intelligent thought, and it's everywhere for no reason.

    18. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Come on, this is such a stupid argument. Sure, I agree that what your cousin is doing this afternoon is pretty banal and unimportant. But what my cousin is doing this afternoon could be funny, interesting, amusing, or just nice to know because he's my cousin. And it makes no difference to me whether you're interested in what he has to say or not.

      But who needs e-mail when we already have fax machines.

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    19. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by tsa · · Score: 1

      That actually makes sense. Now I wish my friends would use Twitter. Actually, that's the main reason why I don't have Twiiter and Facebook: none of my friends use it.

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    20. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try to follow only the brilliant people.

    21. Re:Twitter... I just don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > A pretty typical day, none of it 'banal

      And none of it that RSS couldn't have done 10 years ago.

  14. Twitter will be gone or out of money in 2 years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many tweets per day are mindless Retweets? How many accounts tweet more than once a day? Twitter is not a killer app for the web, it's a highly limited service that allows you to post 144 characters online, with no built in image uploading. How can anyone think twitter is worth pouring money into?

  15. They are the new AOL by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Having all the stupidest people on one sight makes them relatively easy to filter away.

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    1. Re:They are the new AOL by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Having all the stupidest people on one sight makes them relatively easy to filter away.

      So, you're on twitter then?

  16. Wait... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    What's Twitters business model again? Sure, lots of people are babbling on it, but what's their plan for monetizing the babbling? Or do they plan on pulling an AOL and trading their massively overinflated stock for stock in a company that actually has tangible assets?

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    1. Re:Wait... by eepok · · Score: 1

      Watching webs and spheres of influence, sticking in moles to be paid influencers. It's all marketing and data mining. Maybe a bit of recording youthful indiscretions for future blackmail.

    2. Re:Wait... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Wait, you mean there's money to by made in astroturfing? Sign me up!

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  17. More than 100 Million new accounts last year? by eepok · · Score: 1

    How many Twitter accounts *are* there? How many unique (in the scientific, not cultural way) individuals actually use twitter? What percentage of that 100 million and then the entire population are actually just marketing accounts?

    "Hey guys! All the impressionable consumers with disposable income are over here now!!!"
    *five minutes later*
    "@JackNormalGuy "Yo dawg dez nue kix are sweet! U shood check there syt, srslyLOL!! bit.ly/4Tju7"

    1. Re:More than 100 Million new accounts last year? by wholestrawpenny · · Score: 1

      100 Million? That's a lot of Nigerian Bankers.

  18. 1) Get Data Center by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    2) PROFIT!!!

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  19. Re:Twitter will be gone or out of money in 2 years by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

    As someone has already stated, Twitter has been running at a profit for quite some time.

  20. Datacenters in hightaxland? I don't get it. by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2

    Seriously, between taxes, power costs, employee costs, etc.. Why build datacenters in hightaxland? I figure NV, WA, TX, FL would be better for datacenters, and ideally WY or SD if there's adequate fiber available (and ya gotta wonder, given the military presence especially in western SD)..

    Local costs of living are low, utilites and taxes are low, real-estate costs are low.. Do everything remotely and have local monkeys do hands-on if you can't reach remote KVM or serial/ILO, and fly folks out for the occasional builds..

  21. Cash burn rate? by drolli · · Score: 2

    Can anybody explain the long-term business model of twitter?

    1. Re:Cash burn rate? by greap · · Score: 1

      It fits in to 160 chars

  22. 98 Million Spam Accounts by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 0

    It's possible i suppose, but 100 million legitimate accounts sounds a bit dubious... Probably 1 in 10 of people who 'follow' me are bots/spammers.

  23. Re:Datacenters in hightaxland? I don't get it. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    I thought the same thing. There are lots of places with enough smart people and low costs of doing business. Blacskurg, VA (well, Christiansburg - right next door - actually) is a great place. If there hadn't been a small sinkhole on the proposed site we would have gotten a $500M datacenter.

    Fat internet pipes, cheap land and taxes, and a big university (VT) to pull cheap college grad (and undergrad) labor from.

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  24. Artificial restrictions are stupid. by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Sure, you can use any communications medium to coordinate anything. That's not the point.

    The point is that artificial, technological restrictions are stupid, and it's a mystery as to why people choose to submit to them.

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    1. Re:Artificial restrictions are stupid. by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "The point is that artificial, technological restrictions are stupid, and it's a mystery as to why people choose to submit to them."

      Because when you have no choice you don't have to think about the choice.

      People *like* being stupid for the most part (and by "people" I mean "everybody"; you and I included).

    2. Re:Artificial restrictions are stupid. by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, what exactly am I submitting to? I wasn't aware I was being forced to use Twitter.

    3. Re:Artificial restrictions are stupid. by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      You're not. You're enlightened. :) The mystery is why anyone does choose to submit to them. I never said anyone is forced to.

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  25. They make a profit. Just like Madoff did. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like Bernie Madoff was

  26. Re:Datacenters in hightaxland? I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FL? Really? Really?

    *sigh*

    The only truly good location you've listed is NV - NV is one of the most disaster-proof areas of the country. Cooling doesn't come cheap, however, and given Twitter has no real form of revenue, that's going to be a factor. TX is... decent, at best.

    As it were, Sacramento has some damned good pipe, which is pretty damned important.

  27. 100 million new accounts ... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    And 99,595,000 of them were created by bots for spamming.

    Only about 50k of those have been on any day following the day the account was created.

    The company I work for runs a website with about 3 million registered users ... we see about 15k of them on a day to day basis, probably 2.5 million of them have never logged in after they created their account, and the rest only use it once or twice and never come back.

    You can certainly say its because people aren't interested in what we offer, and you'd certainly be right, however I think you'll find our numbers probably have a ratio about the same as twitter.

    People will sign up for new free shit just to try it and never come back, or they'll sign up with multiple accounts so they can reserve names or because they forgot they registered previously or have a new email address or any of a bunch of other reasons.

    If twitter would work with me a little bit, we could probably create 300 million new accounts in a few days using a script ... and the script would use the website just as much as the 300 million new accounts created, that is ... none at all.

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    1. Re:100 million new accounts ... by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      and 99% of statistics are pulled out of someone's ass.
      I love Slashdot and it's armchair experts.

  28. Huh? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    No choice? There's an entire Internet of choice. There were alternatives to Twitter before Twitter was thought of. What are you talking about?

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  29. And now they're WELL FUNDED twits. by Chas · · Score: 1

    *Golf*YAWN*Clap*

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  30. Re:They make a profit. Just like Madoff did. by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

    Says the AC without a source to his name. Bugger off.

  31. Re:Datacenters in hightaxland? I don't get it. by basotl · · Score: 1

    Well they have one planned for Salt Lake City, Utah which seems to be an area catering to the tech market recently. The article stated there was no response on if that location was still on schedule. The exact location for Sacramento seems unclear to me. It sounds like they may be taking advantage of readily built space.

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  32. SMS vs Twitter by bayankaran · · Score: 2

    SMS is completely dead to me, all my friends with twitter I can tweet in seconds, it's a fucking incredibly powerful and clever communications tool, once you learn it, you'll love it.

    SMS might be dead to you. And I am guessing you are in USA where a text message will cost anywhere between 5 to 20 cents. But for a majority of the world which is not you, SMS is THE form of communication other than a voice call. I pay less than one cent per SMS. And I sent SMS to any cell phone, whether it is a smart phone or not.

    Twitter has its use. SMS has its place.

    You remind me of someone who claimed cinema will be dead when television was introduced.

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  33. The Great Hypocrisy by Nyder · · Score: 1

    Okay, lets look at this.

    On one hand you have Twitter, a way of communicating with the world instantly. While it has it's uses, it's made up of the idea that what you have to post is so fucking important, that everyone needs to see it.

    Facebook. the "social network" that everyone is on. Everyone has to share their photo's, info, and every fucking thing else of their lives. While there is some privacy, it seems to be very crappy. And it is also based on the idea that what you do is important enough to share with everyone (though it does have like some privacy settings).

    And on the other hand, we have people complaining about the lack of privacy, how companies like google track everything you do, etc.

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  34. Money Is Power by PantherX · · Score: 1

    Why would they build a datacenter in California? Electricity is quite expensive there, which is the majority of the operational costs for a datacenter. If I had any money invested there I'd get it out.

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