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Google Fiber Delays Broadband Award To 2011

coondoggie writes "The response to the invitation to become a test market for Google's planned high-speed broadband network has been overwhelming, so much so the company today said it would delay awarding the system until 2011. According to a post in its website, Google said 1,100 communities and 194,000 individuals responded to its proposal. Google had hoped to award the test program this month."

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  1. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    more time for me to spam their system with more entries!

  2. idea by shentino · · Score: 2

    Considering the high demand, Google Fiber should make multiple awards.

    Maybe Google could get into the ISP business.

    Even if conflicts of interest would prevent Google from direct involvement, I would heartily welcome Google Fiber franchising.

    1. Re:idea by metrometro · · Score: 3, Informative

      Broadband didn't kill the small and medium ISPs. Regulatory changes requested by the telecoms killed the small and medium ISPs. Ask anyone who worked at one of those ISPs, they'll tell you exactly which rule changes shut them down.

    2. Re:idea by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      The rule that said it was legal for a company to sell local dialup for a few dollars per account per month? So much cheaper that local ISPs couldnt hope to compete and had to get on board trying desperately to value-add as people stopped caring how nice your webmail portal was or how up to date your usenet cache was? Damn those regulations...

    3. Re:idea by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Funny

      Google already is an ISP. Haven't you kept up to date: http://www.google.com/tisp/. They have had this out there for awhile. I heard it didn't bowl anyone over. You'd think that a company like Google that is flush with cash could do better.

    4. Re:idea by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would love an ISP that is essentially for sysadmins. No BS, but solid tech support (no script readers, but people who actually know UNIX.) It would have the following features:

      1: Limited numbers of customers. This is not an ISP for Joe Sixpack. Perhaps a friend referral system like some Google betas, perhaps a "clue test". There are many companies who want Joe and Aunt Tillie; this ISP isn't one of them. This way, someone coming from thisisp.com has an E-mail address that is distinctive.

      2: NNTP caching. It isn't competing with EasyNews, but USENET is something an old school ISP always had.

      3: Squid proxy. Let the ISP do the caching.

      4: Proxy/VPN service. It would be nice to have the ISP handle traffic for iPhones or Android devices to ward off attacks from Firesheep or other items.

      5: Exchange. No, this isn't with the UNIX ways, but so many things these days depend on Exchange, (such as being able to erase mobile devices if lost/stolen.)

      6: A decent mirror updated often. Ideally, RedHat, Ubuntu, Debian, *BSD, CentOS, Linux kernel patches, and other items. Bonus points for full repos as well.

      7: The usual Web page support, with database access to the usual OSS ones, as well as Oracle and DB/2.

      8: Backups standard. If it gets stored, it gets backed up.

      9: Home directories have file access through the web, and are stored on a WAFL or other system where snapshots are easily retrieved.

      10: E-mail privacy. Unless there is a court order, the mailbox contents are only accessible by the user, or admins doing their duties.

      11: SLAs. All data is backed up onto encrypted media so a tape dropping off a truck doesn't mean compromise, all E-mail is stored on encrypted LUNs so someone yanking hard disks out doesn't get data. Finally, a guarantee that if the company is going to go under, there is money to cover complete destruction of all stored customer data by a certain date unless specifically asked for in writing. This way, someone doesn't pick up the liquidated assets and sell the information.

      12: The banhammer. Someone has a machine that has obvious signatures of a botnet, and the user has not stated he may be running honeypots, that box gets yanked and the user is redirected to a Web page telling him to reinstall, or take full responsibility for any honeypots. Same with lots of spam out port 25, or repeated connections to port 22 for brute force password guessing. A user who can't clean up their mess doesn't belong as as subscriber.

      13: Logs (mail, router, etc) are kept for a fairly short time (2-3 days to a week) then deleted unless a court order asks for them to be kept, or there is a security issue that means they need to be kept longer.

      14: No advertisers, period. The ISP makes its cash from subscriber fees. This way, there is no conflict of interest.

      15: Ad-dropping transparent proxies. This would be a feature that could be turned (default off), so people wouldn't have to worry about Adblock and such when viewing the Web.

      16: SecurID as an option. This way, someone can check mail on not so trusted computers and be resistant to not having their account hijacked. The session can be hijacked, but no more than that.

      Heck, an ISP could also go into the cloud VM business, and even offer Linux or Windows VPS hosting, which helps find more uses for the money spent.

    5. Re:idea by choprboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, no your wrong. I work for an ISP and I know exactly what the GP was referring to. The removal DSL from the list of tariffed products (the list that sets price for wholesale telco products) is what killed small/medium ISPs. The national dialup pools had absolutely nothing to do with it.

      Before the rule changes, any mom-n-pop ISP (which could be 20,000 subscribers) could sell DSL internet to a customer for the DSL-line tariff charge + ISP charge (the same tariff charge as the telco charged its direct customers). The only difference between ISP A, ISP B, and the telco monopoly ISP was the ISP charge and the customer services provided by each.

      After the tariff change, the local telco monopoly now charges much more for the DSL line charge to a third party alone than it does for its own complete bundled service. As an example... Qwest now charges $33/mon for a bare-naked DSL line serviced by a third party ISP. Add in $20/mon for the ISP charge. Qwest's own DSL package price is $29.95, less the line cost itself.

      Remember, this is just the price difference in the last-mile DSL circuit. The mom-n-pop ISP also pays the telco for dedicated high-bandwidth circuits to every CO DSLAM to pickup the aggregate circuits (typically). How does a local mom-n-pop ISP (often with far better customer service) compete when the base price of the DSL circuit (without service) is more than the incumbent monopoly package price?

  3. Thats rough by TheCarp · · Score: 2

    Man what do you do when the fiber blocks you up? Drink more water? Maybe google needs an enema?

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  4. Another solution by TheL0ser · · Score: 2

    What if some of those 1100 communities were to just build the fiber out themselves, instead of looking for Google to do it for them?

    1. Re:Another solution by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if some of those 1100 communities were to just build the fiber out themselves, instead of looking for Google to do it for them?

      Then they'd be tied up in the courts for years as they are sued by telecom companies and eventually the project would be outlawed by new laws that would be passed in the state or locality by the shills the telecom companies paid to have elected. At least that's what has been happening in many such attempts.

    2. Re:Another solution by dunezone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or when the towns go to vote the telecom companies will run newspaper and tv ads on how it will cost the taxpayer more if the city ran network goes under.

      This happened to a tri-city outside of Chicago (Geneva, St. Charles, Batavia). These three towns were voting to build a municipal network and let me tell you the week before voting the amount negative ads running against it were crazy. They basically played on the fear that if this failed the tax payer would foot the bill. It failed in vote but had every household that agreed to it bought it into it would have paid itself off in 5 years.

      The best part the reason the three towns were doing it were because Comcast or any other major telecom refused to bring in broadband. Literally two weeks after the vote Comcast had delivered to 90% of the three cities.

    3. Re:Another solution by PinchDuck · · Score: 2

      They would be stuck with maintenance costs for broadband equipment and no way to pay for them. Most local munis are broke right now and looking to pare back services. Many libraries will be lucky to survive. If some municipalities want to try it, I say go for it, but I just don't see it happening on a large scale. No one has the cash anymore.

    4. Re:Another solution by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 2

      The telecoms tried that very hard in my hometown... Even had several "concerned citizens" suing the city after their own lawsuits failed. Ended up pushing back the start date by two years. In the end, though, we won... And completed the build-out ahead of schedule. :)

      http://www.lusfiber.com/

      Hell of a deal... Still kicking myself for moving to this hellhole right before the build started. The neighborhood my apartment used to be in was the picked as the initial test case!

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  5. Demand Unmet by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So Google talks about rolling out fiber to the home and they get nearly 200,000 responses and 1,100 communities express interest. That pretty well sums up the network infrastructure in the US. It's too slow, too expensive, and falling behind the times. I'm sure we will not be regarded as the most technologically advanced nation within another generation. This generation has failed to invest in critical infrastructure and has let corporate interests divert the money that should be being spent on public works projects, into those corporations own back pockets.

    And yet, I can't help but think, "we deserve this". I mean the people are too lazy and stupid to pay attention to what's going on, or bother to vote, or bother to research candidates before they vote. So corporate shills are elected. They hand over taxpayer dollars, but require no return on the taxpayer's investment and pass laws to make sure taxpayers have fewer, more expensive choices when purchasing services.

    Maybe one of the few innovative companies with enough prestige will be able to start real reform, but I seriously doubt it. This empire is crumbling and, as usual, the average person is too arrogant (USA #1 whooo!) to even consider how far we've fallen behind already. They don't want to hear it or have to think about the hard decisions that need to be made to turn things around.

    Good luck Google, but I almost think you should just test out your new technologies in Japan or Korea or Sweden or somewhere where they are actually implementing fiber to the home, for a more realistic sense of what your future customers will be using.

  6. Re:The Google way... by theaceoffire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember that time Google promised to hand out 10 million dollars, based on poorly conceptualized public participation, and then ran the participation part of it, got huge press for it, and then...

    Oh that is right, they actually gave 50,000,000 dollars ($10 mil each for 5 projects).

    So you are saying they will roll out Fiber to 5 times as many places as they promise?

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  7. Re:The Google way... by theaceoffire · · Score: 2

    Well I feel like a retard. It was only $10,000,000 dollars spread between 5 projects.

    I also found out that Slashdot is proud of the fact that you can't edit or fix your comments. Nice to know.

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  8. Re:The Google way... by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remember that time Google promised to hand out 10 million dollars, based on poorly conceptualized public participation, and then ran the participation part of it, got huge press for it, and then, SO SORRY! didn't follow through at all?

    No, I remember something that's kind of like that, except for the fact that they did follow through and give out the $10 million dollars, split among several projects.

    That was, gosh, exactly like this.

    Yes, in that it received a huge response beyond what Google expected, it was exactly like this. Sometimes, Google doesn't realize how popular Google's ideas will be. I'm sure many other businesses wish they could have that "problem" with their initiatives.

    I call bullshit on this and all future Google projects that involve a charitable act and massive public input.

    This project isn't about a charitable act. This project is about seeking a place to do a demonstration project aimed at improving the market conditions for Google's products. Its looking for an opportunity to shift the market for internet connectivity by exerting pressure the same way Google has on the browser market with Chrome, and the handheld device OS market with Android.

    It may be win-win with the community (or communities) selected to be part of the demonstration, but its not charitable in any sense.

  9. Your Rights Online? by clone52431 · · Score: 2

    Am I missing something?

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    1. Re:Your Rights Online? by zero_out · · Score: 2

      I'd probably label it Hardware, but I think this Google fiber network has a backstory related to net neutrality. At about the time Google announced this program, they had just backed a push for net neutrality, which was defeated in some fashion, and the next day this program was announced. At least, that's how I remember it, but I'm probably completely wrong.

    2. Re:Your Rights Online? by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      YRO is used to label anything involving rights or the internet. Sucks, but true.

  10. Indication by MadUndergrad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this is a pretty good indication that the general public would like faster access to the internet, despite the telcos' claiming that people are pretty satisfied. I for one welcome our multiplexing digital overlords, and would like to remind them that I'm not interested in cloud services until I get at least 2 9s of at least 10Mbps connectivity with overall uptime of 4 9s or so.

    1. Re:Indication by hawguy · · Score: 2

      Yes, business class availability to the home would make all of our lives easier, but don't look to Google to do that. There are a lot of telecom companies that will provide services with a variety of SLA's, but in general, you get what you pay for.

      Don't expect a residential broadband provider to offer business class SLA's at a price a residential consumer is willing to pay.

      Unless you have your home servers on a redundant, hot swappable UPS, a backup generator (with a service contract that includes regular run tests and a fuel delivery contract), redundant cooling if required in your climate, and fully redundant network equipment, you don't have an environment that can support 4 nines of availability. Having an internet connection won't help you when your cat throws up on your internet modem (or fiber converter, or whatever), or a car takes out the power pole feeding your house and your house goes dark for 16 hours while the power company replaces it. (of course, that same car probably took out your internet connection, good thing you have redundant connections delivered over diverse facilities)

      As the previous poster said, you can host a Windows server at Amazon for $100/month. If that is too expensive for you, don't expect a 99.99% available 10mbit connection for less.

      I'm not saying that you don't deserve such a reliable connection, but unless you're willing to pay for it, you're not going to get it.

  11. Problem - US constituencies too big by zooblethorpe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The average US constituency is massive , at around 700,000 people. This is much larger than originally envisioned when the country was founded, and guarantees that the little guy is drowned out. From Thirty-Thousand.org:

    The framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights intended that the total population of Congressional districts never exceed 50 to 60 thousand. Currently, the average population size of the districts is nearly 700,000 and, consequently, the principle of proportionally equitable representation has been abandoned.

    Such large constituencies as we see now in the US are also much larger than in other representative democracies. The Isle of Wight is an interesting comparison:

    With a single Member of Parliament and 132,731 permanent residents in 2001, it is also the most populous parliamentary constituency in the United Kingdom.

    While not widely known, the first article of the original twelve proposed for the Bill of Rights laid out the size of congressional constituencies, as an attempt to avoid that the dilution of individual votes seen in the modern US. From the US House of Representatives website:

    Article the first

    After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.

    James Madison himself talked about how larger constituencies tend to favor those with land and property (i.e., the rich). He was writing about the justification for having larger constituencies and longer terms for the Senate than for the House, but his description of the basic political mechanics is sound. From page 155 of The Anti-Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention Debates by Ralph Ketcham:

    Large districts are manifestly favorable to the election of persons of general respectability, and of probable attachment to the rights of property, over competitors depending on the personal solicitations practicable on a contracted theater.

    I.e., large districts are more impersonal, favor the rich, and are less representative. This is precisely what we have in the US. I do not expect any real progress until this gross imbalance is corrected -- and frankly I suspect changing my citizenship would be much more productive for me personally.

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