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NASA To Continue Funding Canceled Ares Project Until March

wooferhound passes along this quote from the Orlando Sentinel: "Thanks to congressional inaction, NASA must continue to fund its defunct Ares I rocket program until March — a requirement that will cost the agency nearly $500 million at a time when NASA is struggling with the expensive task of replacing the space shuttle. About one-third of that money — $165 million — will go to Alliant Techsystems, or ATK, which has a $2 billion contract to build the solid-rocket first stage for the Ares I, the rocket that was supposed to fill the shuttle's role of transporting astronauts to the International Space Station. ... The odd scenario, in which NASA is throwing money at a canceled rocket program but can't fund a modernization program, is because of several twists in the legislative process that started a year ago and came to a head this month. At the root of the problem is a 70-word sentence inserted into the 2010 budget — by lawmakers seeking to protect Ares I jobs in their home states — that bars NASA from shutting down the program until Congress passed a new budget a year later. That should have happened before the Oct. 1 start of the federal fiscal year. But Congress never passed a 2011 budget and instead voted this month to extend the 2010 budget until March — so NASA still must abide by the 2010 language."

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  1. NASA modernization program? by mschaffer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems odd that the US space agency needs a "modernization program". Obviously, it should be called something else since NASA still plans on using Russia's own antiquated hardware to keep the ISS going.
    Anyhow, I don't understand why we should be so happy that NASA is funding a program that it's not planning on using---regardless of where the funding is coming from.
    Well, it's only money. After all, it's not like they are taking your money, out of your wallet.

    1. Re:NASA modernization program? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it's only money. After all, it's not like they are taking your money, out of your wallet.

      Pork -- welfare for the rich. Will no one think of the rich children?

      I'm fine with feeding and housing the poor, but most welfare in the US goes to the rich, who get the lion's share of everything government supplies.

    2. Re:NASA modernization program? by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure you meant to use the word "welfare". I've been on both ends of that spectrum: On welfare and paying into the system that supplies the money. And it's a complete fucking racket, for sure, but one thing it doesn't help is The Rich. Go down to your local welfare office and look around the waiting room and tell me how many "rich" people you see down there. Maybe you meant that the rich get so many tax breaks and incentives that come out of the same government money that welfare does, but I promise you that welfare wouldn't suffer if that pool dried up. If you were to cut even one recipient's food stipend by $5/month you would have an all-out riot on your hands...those guys don't mess around. Instead, they will take money away from Social Security, medical research and, yes, NASA.

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    3. Re:NASA modernization program? by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He's just bitching because the people who pay 90% of the taxes get a few breaks here and there. Apparently, if you're part of the small percentage of the population who actually keep the country running, you shouldn't get any special treatment. That's his idea of "fairness".

    4. Re:NASA modernization program? by Even+on+Slashdot+FOE · · Score: 2

      Given what people getting welfare and food stamps say where I can hear them, a lot of them do not actually need the money to live on. Not only are a lot of them getting most of their food for free, they think buying cigarettes and Four Loko is part of a sound strategy for becoming self-sufficient.

    5. Re:NASA modernization program? by dasunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's just bitching because the people who pay 90% of the taxes get a few breaks here and there. Apparently, if you're part of the small percentage of the population who actually keep the country running, you shouldn't get any special treatment. That's his idea of "fairness".

      If there wasn't a large wealth disparity in the US (Gini index for reference), perhaps the majority of taxes wouldn't come from such minority of people.

      Probably that wasn't the fix you were looking for though...

    6. Re:NASA modernization program? by rwa2 · · Score: 2

      Well look on the bright side, we could be saving $200 million!
      http://www.theonion.com/articles/nasa-announces-plan-to-launch-700-million-into-spa,1950/

      (kudos to Soulskill on the memerrific taglines lately)

    7. Re:NASA modernization program? by Ragzouken · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is exactly the problem with the rich. They genuinely believe that their wealth is evidence that they are part of a minority of people who work harder and are superior to the rest. Some people get lucky, and most people don't. I really have trouble believing that anybody, rich or otherwise, is working a million dollars harder than the average man.

    8. Re:NASA modernization program? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those LINK cards don't benefit the poor, they benefit the poor's employers -- WalMart, McDonald's, etc, who aren't forced to pay their employees a living wage, because Uncle Sam kicking in a stipend. Better thay should raise the minimum wage so that a man working 40 hours a week could feed his family.

      Section eight housing helps landlords at the expense of the poor; the poor tenant is paying $200 a month rent for a house or apartment that might get $250 or $300 on the open market, while the landlord is collecting another $300 or $400 from the government. This drives up rents for everyone, the poor included, while the landlord gets twice to three times what he would get if it weren't for Section 8.

      TIF financing that local governments pay to get industry in depressed areas also go to the rich.

      Then there's the pork I originally mentioned -- money for a project that's been cancelled is nothing but welfare, and the rich get every penny of it.

      The poor get very little at all from any level of government, the rich get damned near everything.

    9. Re:NASA modernization program? by Gabrosin · · Score: 2

      "Which is more likely to work, all workers and no capitalists or all capitalists and no workers?"

      What a dumb argument you two are having. The question is meaningless. Both arrangements will work equally well, which is to say, not at all. It's impossible to produce goods without both capital and workers. If you had all workers, they would by default be the capitalists, as they would have to own their own capital (or sit idle, unable to produce). If you had all capitalists, they would also sit idle, unable to produce, until one or more of them started to do work. It's a false choice.

      The fallacy in the mind of the asker of that question is believing that the workers are somehow more important than the capitalists because one capitalist can support many workers, while situations where many capitalists support a single worker are much rarer and harder to define. The system still falls apart with the absence of either side.

    10. Re:NASA modernization program? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      wow.. just.. wow.

      The middle class pay most of the taxes, not the rich. And the rich pays nowhere near when the amount of wealth they have would justify.

      slightly over 66% of all income tax is paid by people earning between about 34K and 353K.

      Exxon made billions of dollars, didn't pay a cent to the US.

      When talking about taxes, 'Fair' has to so with wealth distribution, not everyone paying the same percentage.

      Of course, when talking about fair taxes, the only thing that should be considered is total taxes v. total income. As it stands, the middle class carries most of that burden as well.

      You are being stupid. Stop being stupid, it's beneath you.

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    11. Re:NASA modernization program? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      A) You make the flase assumption that more money = better people. It does not.

      B) You make an argument to the extreme.

      So your whole post is a one logical fallacy or another. And after reading your others post, there all almost entire logical fallacies. So basically you are a troll. I wish I had realized you where a attention starved troll before replying. Oh well, I guess years of being alone has allowed to to craft you troll tendencies to a fine art.

      well done, you lonely bastard.

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    12. Re:NASA modernization program? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was a recent study that showed that less than one-third of American millionaires inherited their wealth. How have the other two-thirds achieved this status by "luck"?

      Yes very much by luck. Being born into wealth gives people all kinds of opportunities that the average-born do not have. I should know since I grew up in exactly that kind of environment and I am one of those millionaires who did not inherit as I haven't taken a dime from my parents since college. I know plenty of people who are smarter and harder working than I am but just didn't have the good fortune of making the right connections. Plus, I say your numbers are skewed. My numbers say that being born into the top quintile of wealth gives one a 22% chance of ending up in the top 5% - that leaves practically nothing for the other 80% of the population.

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  2. Re:Head of NASA doesn't object? by vlm · · Score: 2

    Strange, if I was the head of NASA I would jump to this and use that $500 million to do something productive. There is just no way that that could come back to bite me. Not when there are so many senators and other obvious targets for the news agencies to make fun of.

    You must not have gotten the news that corporations and govt have merged. $500M is going to his friends, former and future coworkers / employers. Side effects such as producing a working vehicle are not relevant to the primary goal of transferring $500M, about half from Chinese bond holders and half from taxes, to his "family".

    Now if the $500M when to the department of agriculture or something, he has no "family" there so he would complain.

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  3. What if they just don't? by cfa22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How bad would the penalties be?

  4. Re:cvs blame or git-blame? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >>>mostly republicans

    Citation please. That would be a remarkable feat, considering the republicans were a super-minority completely and totally dominated by the Democrats (controlled ~60% of the Congress). Speaking as someone outside the power base (i.e. unelected libertarian), I consider myself an impartial observer of the Rep-Dem Duopoly. And I don't comprehend how the republicans can be blamed when it was the Democrats that held the power of Congress for four years. And another ~40 years from 1956 to 1994.

    This last century was the century of the Democrat-run Congresses.
    So how again is it that we blame the Reps? Makes as little sense as blaming the minority libertarians.
    i.e. Citation please.

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  5. Re:cvs blame or git-blame? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Informative

    The language that keeps Constellation going was inserted into the 2010 budget last year by U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican who sought to protect the program and Ares jobs at Marshall Space Flight Center in his home state.

    Here, you fucking retard. Yes, that is TFA.

  6. Re:cvs blame or git-blame? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was Republican Richard Shelby bringing the pork back home. You know a member of the party of *snicker* fiscal responsbility:

    The language that keeps Constellation going was inserted into the 2010 budget last year by [corrupt] U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican who sought to protect the program and Ares jobs at Marshall Space Flight Center in his home state.

    His office confirmed that the language was still in effect but did not respond to e-mails seeking details.

    http://www.truthistreason.net/thanks-to-congress-inaction-500-million-goes-to-defunct-rocket-program-lockheed-martin

  7. And most, if not all, of those states are... by geekoid · · Score: 2

    red. You know, the people that want to 'cut taxes' and 'have a smaller government'.

    This is what happens when the voters go for lines like 'cut taxes'. It's a stupid misdirection that leads t nowhere good. You can't generically cut taxes and reduce pork. You must go after specific pork.

    But hey, everyones' for cutting pork until it's their job.

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  8. Negative competence by DCFusor · · Score: 2
    How many times PER DAY of us hearing about how destructive our government is of the value WE create is it going to take before we stand up and toss the doggone bums out? And I don't mean like last time when we just voted out incumbents -- the stupid other party then decided they'd been given a "mandate" when in truth, we didn't vote for them, but against the other losers. Remember who pays for it all? This isn't incompetence, it's negative, not merely zero, competence.

    What choice is it when we only get to pick one loser or another, chosen by one of the two heads of the same monster? That's not a representative government anymore, not even close.

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