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Living Earth Simulator Aims To Simulate Everything
H3xx writes "An international group of scientists is aiming to create a simulator — nicknamed The Living Earth Simulator — that will collect data from billions of sources and use it to replicate everything happening on Earth, from global weather patterns and the spread of diseases to international financial transactions or congestion on highways. The project aims to advance the scientific understanding of what is taking place on the planet, encapsulating the human actions that shape societies and the environmental forces that define the physical world. Perhaps this is Asimov's concept of Psychohistory come to fruition."
Will the lab mice still study us?
Somehow I doubt that all the computing machines in the word combined have the necessary processing power to computationally simulate *everything* that happens on the planet, even when if we try to limit the variables. So I'll just go ahead and assume the science team will compromise on a flawed model which produces equally flawed results.
I'm guessing they end up simply computing Pi.
Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
In the Science Fiction novel Simulacron-3, published in 1964, Daniel Francis Galyoue describes a huge analog electronic computer designed to simulate the world for modelling social, psychological, commercial, and political processes.
The BBC article mentions gathering googlean amounts of data and vast computing resources, but not really what to do with them.
or would it be Third Life? Maybe it'll name itself.
Divide a cake by zero. Is it still a cake?
Is it not getting increasingly obvious that we ourselves are living in a simulation and that it is actually the year 1 million and a half? That blatant clue's have been cast in the sky; the most obvious being the same apparent magnitude of our primary satalite and that which we satalite? That once in the know the keyboard is plainly all around us merely plastered with posters of sensible looking people saying 'Do not press the buttons!' and wild eye'd colourful strange men who smile, 'Hack away!'? Madness surely; but keep turning reality inside out Mankind and I assure you this is will become the dominant suspicion that will unsettle us to the end of time. Like the bearded dragon shall we tap our nose against the glass until perhaps our owner takes us out of our tank to play in the garden before returning us once we realise the eternal truth that it is infact... cold outside.
They could save themselves a lot of work and just get Dwarf Fortress...
I am not sure if having everything in a single model is a good approach. Certainly seems too computationally expensive.
I would much prefer if people start looking into socio-economic modeling. We now have pretty good climatic models, and this started in the 50s, when there computers had almost no power. Now we have such power, and we could feasibly simulate social (i and economic behavior of whole country on a home PC.
We could start like this: Each person in simulation would have possible actions (these would be predefined), and decide on which action to use based on habit, previous experience and copying from friends of its social network. Actions could range from economic (produce something of value) through social (meet someone) to political (enter contract with someone).
Just buy a copy of sims 3 and be done with it.
I hope they've put some deep thought into this....
Program Intellivision!
Suppose you start the simulator, and it veers off. You'll want some kind of corrector mechanism, no? So you get some feedback from the real world. The trouble is, if you don't have a plausible model of how "eveything" works, you end up having to correct an awful lot.
Also, isn't the only way to calculate something so complex as "everything on Earth" to uhm, have an Earth to run? And isn't the point of modelling to look at a small part of the whole, to abstract the bits you're interested in? I wonder if this project is going to be tell us anything other than "there's a lot of complexity of there, dude".
Name it Matrix.
simulating everything?
Yes. You only think you posted that. You are really part of the simulation.
IIRC wasn't the name of the computer WOPR?
How about The General? Just ask it, "Why?"
What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
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I did horrible horrible things to the people in that game - swimming pools with no ladders to get out of, setting off fireworks inside so that they burned to death, shutting them in a 1x1 square of walls so that they had so sleep in their own urine as they starved to death... I can't imagine that this would be any different. If I had a global simulator, after I'd done any real work I'd start seeing how many different ways I could cause the world to burn.
Does this make me a bad person? =P
Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.
When we do build the matrix thorazine could be used as currency
When will this recession end, and we can get back to building custom-made luxury planets.
Yes but is the simulator written in BASIC?
Things that came to mind:
1. It will show us what a lot of us already know, we're fucking up the place.
2. It would be more sufficient to actually do sth. about stopping stuffing up the place instead of thinking about stopping the stuffing up and collecting data about what we are actually stuffing up so we can stop stuffing up the place.
3. make a cup of tea and have a minced pie, after all its xmas.
to code or not to code, that is the question.
Weather is a chaotic system, and weather affects living things in very significant ways. I'm sure there are plenty of other chaotic non-linearities in what they're trying to simulate as well.
Doesn't such instability doom any world simulator to crappy fidelity?
Clearly this is an attempt to invoke Laplace's Demon.
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
Any sufficiently accurate simulation is indistinguishable from reality. Corollary: Any simulation distinguishable from reality is insufficiently accurate. Phil P
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Recession is too profitable to be ever allowed to end. You can keep on asking and receiving public financial support, then turn around and loan the public's money back to them at interest, setting them up for a lifetime of debt slavery.
Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich. Isn't global economy fun ?-)
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Somehow I doubt that all the computing machines in the word combined have the necessary processing power to computationally simulate *everything* that happens on the planet, even when if we try to limit the variables. So I'll just go ahead and assume the science team will compromise on a flawed model which produces equally flawed results.
Every model is flawed according to that definition.
They'll try to simplify the earth, and model it... and hopefully it can predict future events with a certain degree of certainty.
I agree that the word "everything" is too strong... but it's just sad and silly that the entire Slashdot forum attacks these guys because they said this.
There is some value in this exercise. Just like you can model an ant colony, you can probably model the world. We're all awfully predictable anyway.
Understanding -> New Predictions -> Changed Behavior -> Failed Predictions
To take an easy example, they mention the economy and financial markets. If we achieve greater understanding and greater predictive power, we will alter our behavior in the markets, thus leading to a different outcome. This goes for any area in which it is our behavior creating the data that we are using to gain understanding, where that understanding will also impact our behavior.
And would the Simulator it contains contain another complete Living Earth Simulator. And so on...? The ultimate case of self-similarity.
Dude! It's like "Super Grand Theft Auto"!!!
I think that it is very important we will start the campaign against killing the baby seals in the simulated environment. If we all start boycotting LES products, maybe we can all make simulation a better place for cute, furry animals.
simulating everything?
Will simulate even the discovery of "the theory of everything"... have to tell you, that would be about time... I'm already sick of the super-string theories.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
How do we know we are not already living in one of these things? If so, this seems a bit redundant . . .
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche,_New_York
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The simulation is a European project, part of the FuturICT-programme, a part of the European Union research framework programme.
It intends to unify hundreds of the best scientists in Europe in a 10 year 1 billion EUR program to explore social life on earth and everything it relates to. The FuturICT flagship will produce historic breakthroughs and provide powerful new ways to manage challenges that make the modern world so difficult to predict, including the financial crisis.
The FuturICT Knowledge Accelerator is a previously unseen multidisciplinary international scientific endeavour with focus on techno-socio-economic-environmental systems. The three main achievements of the FuturICT flagship will be the establishment of
- a Living Earth Simulator (global-scale simulation of techno-socio-economic systems),
- Crisis Observatories (for financial instabilities, scarcity of resources, emerging risks and conflicts, epidemics, etc.), and
- an Innovation Accelerator (identifying innovations early on, evaluating them across disciplines and supporting co-creation projects between different scientific disciplines, business, and governance).
Citation:
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Does this mean that the Living Earth Simulator will attempt to simulate itself? malloc(): error: recursive call
The Semantic Web (to the extent that anybody has made it work at all) does not generalise very well
If the Semantic Web is even partially written by the sort of people who post comments on youtube - we are royally fucked.
Wake me when they can accurately predict yesterday's situation with just the data from up to 3 days ago for more than 1 month in a row.
It's been done already. I can't remember the economists name - but he correctly predicted the last market crash.
I checked him out at the time - turns out he correctly predicted thirteen of the last three economic downturns.
Are our super computers even capable of doing the calculations for, well, everything on earth?
I'm going to say, no.
You'd have to do too many shortcuts to get accurate results, let alone we don't know how most the crap works in this world anyways. Sure, we know some, and learn more, but enough to simulate it?
I'm going to put this up there with Duke Nuke'm coming out before 2010 is over.
Be seeing you...
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What's the matter kiddo? 4chan been laughing at ya again, and your little sister done locked you in the boot?
So this seal walks into a club...
Take your example with financial markets. L.E.S. predicts that Company XYZ is going to bankrupt/it's stock become worthless. Everybody listening L.E.S.stop to lend money to XYZ/call in debts/sell stocks as soon as possible. Stock price plummets, company has blocked cashflows because of creditors not trusting it, bankrupt.
What you say would be true if prediction of the market would lead people to extend forces balancing the scale in opposite direction. For the many cases I know about, opposite is quite true - if you know about something, actions you take to make profit out of it help it becoming true. Same thing could be extended to other things - like military. If L.E.S.predicts increased tension at certain point of the border between North and South, guess, where they will deploy the extra troops?
I think that traffic jams are better example. If people are trusting L.E.S., traffic jam won't form in the predicted place. And here, you need to pull out rule number two - there are enough people in the world who are thinking they are smarter than L.E.S.... You don't really need a predictive power in such machine. You need to convince important people it has predictive capabilities and for many aspects, job is done - as long as you output reasonably possible predictions, they will come true.
The rules can be bent, and some, broken...
Will simulate even the discovery of "the theory of everything"... have to tell you, that would be about time... I'm already sick of the super-string theories.
String theorist tells wife he can explain everything.
That is the oracle paradox : there are many cases where you can't make a correct prediction that accounts for your prediction's effects.
That is exactly why in Asimov series there is the second foundation.
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
In order to achieve an accurate simulation, we'd have to know all of the different species of, well, everything on this planet. Like one of the posts above, not only do we not have the computational power to handle all of the random things that happen on earth, but I doubt we have enough scientists on the project who have the time to add the data required. Keep in mind that if they want to have a chance at a realistic simulation, they would undoubtedly need to add genetic code to the system. It would have to account for genetic variation for every new generation of EVERY species on the planet. We could literally predict the potential evolution of the planet by fast forwarding everything at that point. A great idea in theory, but so is peace on earth, or colonizing mars, or hell, even recycling. Suppose it's worth a shot. I guess these scientists were pretty upset with how badly SPORE ended up being.
data from billions of sources and use it to replicate everything happening on Earth, from global weather patterns and the spread of diseases to international financial transactions or congestion on highways.
"Aim small, miss small", -- The Patriot
Simulating "everything" is pretty much impossible. Who do they think they're kidding, anyway?
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Starting from such farcical first assumptions, its hard to believe this stupid idea is going to get funding, much less even conceivably work.
Look: every "sim" rationalizes inputs, creates a facade of activity that looks like real life, so as to produce reasonably realistic outputs. The point of modeling is to EXCLUDE as many variables as you can, to make what you're studying as simple as possible, to try to draw it down to its essentials.
To build a true sim, you have to start at the "lowest protocols" that input your system. Given that they want to sim the entire world, you're talking about starting with an engine that comprehensively models the physics and chemical processes that create the earth. (And that's assuming that you can safely take solar input as a given, and assume that your 'isolated' environment is the Earth, not entirely a safe assumption when you start considering the impact on solar variability to Earth weather, lunar gravity on tides, etc.) As I understand, we *don't* even have a good understanding of those very basic systems such as what actually is at the core of our planet, or the intricacies of plate tectonics, etc. (Note: once you can do this, I'm sure all those scientists already working their whole lives to model the 'simple' basics of planetary physics and volcanoes would love a copy of the sim to that point.) So we'd have to rationalize the up-feed in the sim from that lowest protocol - already, at the very basic levels, we're essentially guessing at inputs, not simming them. Whups.
'Above' geophysical processes, there's the physical processes of water, weather, etc. that produce the topology of the surface of the world (or do you think that geography, climate, weather, etc. don't play a part in individual or collective choices?); only once you have that simmed properly can you then even START to model the biosphere. Once you model the biosphere comprehensively, you can start to model people in it, and then you're faced with the comprehensive issues of psychology, free will, collective behaviors, human perversity. Finally, once you have this robust giant model, then you can finally start simming the meta systems atop human society - economics, social welfare, etc.
This is not Asimov, and this goofball is no Hari Seldon. He's talking about the 'critical importance' of simulating (and getting useful results from) the omega step in this project, when we can't even manage the alpha. That's farce. One might as well start a project analyzing the economics of interstellar trade, because the results are probably going to be useful long before this project produces anything of value. (But I'm pretty certain it'll be spending piles of $$ well before that, right?)
"Regardless of the challenges the project faces, the greater danger is not attempting to use the computer tools we have now - and will have in future - to improve our understanding of global socio-economic trends, says Dr Helbing." ...Should read instead as "Regardless of the challenges the project faces, the greater danger is not attempting to use the computer tools we have now - and will have in future - to try to gather some funding for an open ended and unachievable research project," says Dr Helbing, "This nonsense could keep me in BMW's, first-class airline seats, and symposia in cool locations for the rest of my life."
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So does Civ V. So does my globe. Anything can be used to simulate anything else poorly. Nothing can be used to simulate everything else exactly. The quality of the output will be determined by the areas they focus, the choices made when they write the algorithms and the data they get to put into the system. 'We're simulating the whole world and how it interacts' provides little information about the quality or usefulness of the simulation.
there's a toe-jam joke there somewhere...
Outer Limits Season 2 Episode 8 "Wolf 359" http://www.tvrage.com/The_Outer_Limits_1963/episodes/200967 You've been warned. ;)
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Simulating everything is not the problem, doing it in anything approaching real time is. And no Moore's Law will not help.
Of course it would probably still be easier/faster just to pick up the paper and see how things turned out.
That group of bovine standing over there appears quite portentous. That's right it's an ominous cow herd.
I can't imagine anyone is expecting this to accurately predict the future. To me, the interesting thing will be seeing how the simulation fails, despite the fact that we input the totality of our knowledge.
Not even close.
Psychohistory had nothing to do with simulating things on a computer. It was a mathematical construct to predict human behavior in groups, in the same way that you can predict what a large enough group of atoms will do even if you can't know what any one atom will be doing at any given time.
This is more like a Matrix 0.001 alpha. I imagine their Neo being a little piece of CoreWars code.
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You could even add yourself as a friend on Facebook. On both of them, actually.
I want a simcity like game with a custom road system Simcity 4 + plugs ins is nice but old and buggy.
Citys xl lacked the custom road systems and the highway interchanges are to big and just have roundabouts.
Obviously; everybody knows there are simulators all the way down.
"It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations..." -Winston Churchill
'How could you possibly think typing "import skynet" was a good idea?' (it's the mouseover)
Not even close. Possibly a matrix, but, there is no spoon.
Will they take into account their own simulation, will they a simulate the simulation on the simulation and the the simulation simulated on the simulation on the simulation.... turtles all the way down style?
But, it'll simulate everything, then it will also simulate itself, running the simulation, and so on. Looks like a recursive simulation :)
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Yes Mr. Smith, it started in 2010.
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The human arrogance of thinking we as a species are capable of knowing everything, machine assisted or otherwise, is the source of many of the most serious mistakes we have made. Everything from the introduction of insects from other countries to control our pests (and having the introduced species run wild) to plans to fertilize the oceans to address global warming -- arrogance, the root of much of the worlds bad deeds.
http://www.simulation-argument.com/
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
In a related news story, a group of scientists have formed a company named Magrathea with long term plans of building a massive planet which will be capable of fostering the design and manufacture of custom luxury planets.
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Perhaps a revival of the Universe Simulation Mailing List? Unfortunately, the archives were on Geocities, so even that bit may be long gone since archive.org is throwing an error when I try to pull it up.
The big problem with this is that most of the world's and humanity's interesting systems are chaotic. You may get lucky and find an attractor or two.
In any case, simulation can show you plausible futures, but they'll have no predictive value. The outputs will be little more than cybernetic speculative fiction.
On the other hand, there's no explaining chaos to a politician, or to a scientist who believes that more data and higher resolution are all that's needed to clear up the confusion; the grant money will keep flowing.
I'm a Programmer. That's one level above Software Engineer and one level below Engineer.
... we are nothing more than a simulation created by some super alien CS student as a senior project this should be interesting. It also has implications as to whether our universe will die slowly due to entropy buildup (a memory leak in the simulation) or in some cataclysmic, world ending event (when the simulation is ported to VB.Net and crashes).
Have gnu, will travel.
Does the Living Earth Simulator contain the Living Earth Simulator? And then does that one as well, like a Russian Mandelbrot doll.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I agree with you in general about the limits of simulations and even intelligence itself.
Still, simulations can be used to: :-);
* predict (you are right, they often fail for reasons of chaos theory and limited accuracy or missing aspects);
* understand (where you play what ifs to see the consequences of your assumptions);
* to gain insight (something other than understanding of details, where you gain a sense of the gestalt, a feeling, or some new summarizing key idea, like I say with my sig about the irony of the tools of abundance in the hands of those thinking in terms of scarcity -- maybe we need a simulation about creating simulations to have scientists gain the insight about simulations you suggest many lack?
* assess risk (to some extend, by Monte Carlo methods for well understood processes)
* to consolidate knowledge in an organized explicit way (you can't hand wave as much when you have to implement ideas in code);
* educate intellectually (as fun toys to play with and learn from);
* educate practically (to learn skills by trial and error, basically failing faster and safer like in a flight simulator or nuclear power plant simulator or surgical simulator);
* educate emotionally (to see consequences and possibilities and related narrative, often as games);
* entertain (relates to the above, but is a different focus);
* to serve as a focus for political policy debates about future scenarios (including as different simulators with different assumptions describe different implications of policy -- note weather forecasters use multiple weather models plus their intuition and experience to make forecasts);
* as a form of self-justifying artwork;
* as a way to create entirely new worlds to explore inspired by nature but (as you suggest) often very different;
* probably many more -- in the sense of, what good is a blank sheet of paper?
I learned some of this from thinking about what people like Steven C Bankes at RAND had to say in the 1980s and 1990s:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/authors/b/bankes_steven_c.html
As well as people like Seymour Papert (of Microworlds educational software fame).
http://www.papert.org/
Or Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls and others with Smalltalk as a simulation environment. As well as what futurists (WFS) and risk modellers (RAMAS) have to say. And from making a simulation about gardening in the 1990s (with my wife, as a more than six person-year labor of love released with source under the GPL):
http://www.gardenwithinsight.com/
One concern I have about simulations of living creatures (especially intelligent or self-aware ones that can feel some kind of virtual pleasure or virtual pain, like in agent-based simulations) is, what are the ethics? As in, do not do unto others that which you do not want done unto yourself (unless they like that kind of stuff)...
http://www.simulation-argument.com/
http://www.rfreitas.com/Astro/LegalRightsOfRobots.htm
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
The first foundation novel was published in 1951
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not enough data!!
"...for meaningful answer."
Rampant carbon sequestration destroyed the Dinosaurs' tropical paradise. I'm here to help repair the damage.
Simulation Argument. :)
Contrary to the parent, sadly, and in line with the GPP, simulating "everything" (for any values of "everything" more detailed than "a game of pool") really IS impossible. There's a reason that despite the thousand-million-fold increase in computational power over the last 70-odd years (between ENIAC and Tianhe-IA... wait a minute, a computer named 'ia' is bad right? If it ever says "fhtagn" it's too late to pull the plug...) anyway, we still can't tell with any surety what the weather will be like 6 days in advance.
Rampant carbon sequestration destroyed the Dinosaurs' tropical paradise. I'm here to help repair the damage.
A stopped clock is right twice a day, and his clock is stopped on economic disaster. Wake me up when he can correctly predict upturns too, and then he might have something interesting going on.
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So it's like a dream within a dream? Fuck, it's like I'm really watching Inception.
This sounds more like an effort to bamboozle politicians into funding supercomputer centers. Anyone remotely familiar with numerical analysis and combinatorics would recognize that this is a fool's errand for two fundamental reasons. 1) the nature of much data lies at the boundary where systems become chaotic and consequently solutions to such datasets will be ill posed and have high condition numbers, where even minute differences in coefficients, that will likely result from just shear volume of computations on of finite computer architecture will render results meaningless. Secondly, there are a great many important problems, such as the elucidation of phylogenies necessary to explain biological diversity that are NP complete and hence computationally intractable no matter what the speed of the supercomputer. The number of potential answers to such problems increases faster than the ability of any processor to compute them. Even for small taxonomic groups the number of possible phylogenies that must be considered dwarfs the number of electrons in the known universe.
Nonetheless, the overall idea could serve as a useful paradigm for organizing scientific infrastructures and its computational components and availability of adequate computational resources for science, so long as the project does not try to shoehorn all scientific investigation into the constraints of some poorly conceived form of universal budgeting. If not, the project could actually do far more harm than good. These guys need to go back to the drawing board and be more specific about exactly what it is they want to compute and why. Lets face it humanity has huge challenges and only finite resources with which to address them, both in material and human resource terms. Unless, there is some potentially successful strategy for dealing with them, we are all up ___creek without a paddle.
They only have to go outside to see the real thing....sheesh
if we are already living in a simulation, I hope the one being built from this collective of intelligence, will correct the flaws :)
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Your comment reminded me of this short story that was posted to Slashdot a while back.
I traded all my mod points for these magic beans.
I hope no person in this simulated world becomes The One, gets out of there and kick our asses.
Can it lead me to a major lottery win? If not, how useful is it to me?
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Why "boot"? It makes no sense.
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simulating everything?
That thought crossed my mind too and reminded me of this town containing a scale model of itself.
I am not a crackpot.
We already know the outcome.
That is the oracle paradox : there are many cases where you can't make a correct prediction that accounts for your prediction's effects. That is exactly why in Asimov series there is the second foundation.
Sorta, but not really. Seldon is careful to spoon-feed out small bits of information at times, usually after the events have occurred, so the prediction isn't known until it's already happened. In those very few cases where he does reveal info about the future before it happens, it's only after he's already calculated what the results of the disclosure will be. The real reason for the Second Foundation is not the oracle paradox, it's the general fact that psycho-history isn't perfect, it's about probabilities, and as things do actually occur, people need to adjust things to account for the differences that would otherwise accumulate. But when it comes to making correct predictions of the effects of your predictions, Seldon not only does this, but uses this ability to further his aims.
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
He also state a form of oracle paradox to explain why the only science that the first foundation has no data about is psychohistory
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
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It's obvious that they don't plan to simulate "everything", just everything that we have data about.
If it rhymes it must be true.
Whoosh?
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
only +3? tho i do have to disagree with the reason
sense when do corps. look ahead? they are always looking for profits within a few months not years, such as when isp`s try to hold out as long as they can to upgrade their network, or riaa fights new tech or sues people to till thier grandchildrens life in debt.
it could be in our dog eat dog world we have alot of bleeding out dogs who are to weak to eat the others and are slowly dieing rather then it going towards one really fat dog, but im not to sure :/
warning pointless sig
A stopped clock is right twice a day, and his clock is stopped on economic disaster. Wake me up when he can correctly predict upturns too, and then he might have something interesting going on.
Keep sleeping. If you can write, operate a browser, and are incapable of recognising satire, and, basic comprehension, then you need all the rest you can get.
Hint: someone who predicts 13 events, and is only right 3 times, is a failure. For a visual representation of failure - look in the mirror (sigh).
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1927208&cid=34689212
Hmmmm? Did Your big mouth and skimming get you into a jam again?? Absolutely. You burned yourself fool.
Now don't be so hard on clone52431 - even fucktards serve a purpose, if only to remind us of the inequity of nature, and as compelling arguments in favour of retroactive abortion.
:-)
Jeez, you’re awfully rude. Okay, I missed that. What should I write on the chalkboard?
I will not reply without carefully reading parent post. ...
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I will not reply without carefully reading parent post.
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This reminded me of this story. http://qntm.org/responsibility
Jeez, you’re awfully rude.
Well spotted Sherlock! ;-p
Okay, I missed that. What should I write on the chalkboard?
How about:-
"I will not use multiple psuedonyms to mod up my own posts, to mod down posts I don't like, and to create friends I don't have"?
Or maybe:-
"I will not take Slashdot too seriously because my fraudulent ways mean that less and less honest people want to read Slashdot - or post there"?
Given that you appear too shallow to acknowledge your own rudeness, how about:-
"I am too stupid to recognise the consequences of shitting in the water hole - and now my tummy feels funny, and, where has everybody gone?"?
Note: I am not the AC poster. Perhaps *you're* the poster that keeps getting caught by Slashdot trying to moderate my posts with multiple usernames?
What the HECK are you talking about? Seriously?
I think you have me confused for someone else... I haven’t modded any of your posts recently (that I can remember), much less with multiple usernames... in fact I just checked your recent post history and I don’t see any that were moderated at all so I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here.
Note: I am not the AC poster.
Well that much I know: I know exactly who the AC poster is. He’s Alexander Peter Kowalski, goes by his initials (apk), is a rabid evangelist for hosts-file based malware-blocking, posts at the slightest provocation pages and pages of copypasta that he’s apparently generated, wrote some horrid-looking shareware some years ago, and has been trolling the interwebz for something like the past 15-20 years. Seriously, google his name, and you’ll pretty quickly see how credible he is.
As far as his off-topic replies, he’s recently been stalking me because I contradicted him here (and I really wasn’t the AC guy posting shell scripts in that thread, though apk was thoroughly convinced I must be). If you knew apk, you’d probably be familiar with this tactic (he’s also been stalking metrix007, and a few more users I think, though I can’t remember them off the top of my head).
Me, on the other hand, I generally try to get along with anyone who isn’t a complete loon or an idiot (i.e. apk), so maybe we got off on the wrong foot. And I can’t fathom what on earth in my post about a “stopped clock” was rude. It certainly wasn’t intended to be, although I did misunderstand your post before it.
Distributed Denial of APK: It takes 15 seconds to reply to him anonymously, but wastes tons of his time if we all do it.
I think you have me confused for someone else...
You are correct, I am not. I apologise, unreservedly, though, fat lot of good that'll do.
I confused you with someone who's attacking and stalking someone else (my wife), having just posted politely to them asking for a reason - I jumped to the conclusion that what was happening to her was happening to me. Nothing to do with your posts, or this thread.
I just checked your recent post history and I don’t see any that were moderated at all so I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here.
Effectively, no. The message (twice about same post in the same day) something to the effect of "your post x has been moderated down, the moderation has been removed , possibly due to a moderator post in the same thread". Not this thread.
Note: I am not the AC poster.
Well that much I know: I know exactly who the AC poster is. He’s Alexander Peter Kowalski,
Now there's a coincidence. I didn't recognise him/it. But I sure do know of him - the 14MB host file, self-validating, hello from 1990 troll! Normally (if that word even applies in this instance) he puts "APK" in his posts/malodorous missives. I reported him for abuse in another thread yesterday - something I've never done before.
Me, on the other hand, I generally try to get along with anyone who isn’t a complete loon or an idiot (i.e. apk), so maybe we got off on the wrong foot. And I can’t fathom what on earth in my post about a “stopped clock” was rude. It certainly wasn’t intended to be, although I did misunderstand your post before it.
Nothing you wrote was taken as rude, the "No shit Sherlock" (colloquial jocularism) was the only comment aimed at you. The rest was me stupidly using and external editor to compose, not checking before posting, and, my stupidity.
You mis-read my post, and I fucked up my response. The two things don't equate. Mea culpa, and kudos for your reasonable and polite response. Good luck with the unreasonable, intractable, abusive, and recalcitrant APK.
I think we should look for the guy who designed it and see if he glows in the dark.. maybe take him to the zoo and see if any big cats feel like licking his hands =P
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett
Thanks for the link, that was a great read! :)
Kind of reminded me of Laplace's demon at the beginning
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett