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How a Guy Found 4 New Planets Without a Telescope

An anonymous reader writes "Peter Jalowiczor is a gas worker from South Yorkshire, England. He's also the discoverer of four giant exoplanets, according to the University of California's Lick-Carnegie Planet Search Team. But he's not an astronomer and he doesn't even have a telescope. '...in 2005, astronomers at the university released millions of space measurements collected over several decades and asked enthusiasts to make of them what they would. ... From March 2007 Peter, 45, spent entire nights reading the data, working the figures, creating graphs. ... He then sent discrepancies he discovered back to the scientists in California where they were further analyzed to see if the quirks were caused by the existence of an exoplanet.'"

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  1. Bravo by martinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an amateur astronomer I think the general mindset is that one cannot make a discovery of any significance without owning cutting edge hardware. Telescopes produce such mind-bending quantities of data that there is much opportunity for someone with some patience and an inquiring mind to add to the knowledge-base.

    Surely also a brilliant argument of the power of publicly available data.

    1. Re:Bravo by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, yes, that's why you don't own it: it's theirs.

      Point is, a lot of the bigger telescopes provide far more data than can be handled by dedicated computing. This has been the case since CCDs were invented decades ago, there's just too much to analyse everything within the budget, so they go for the obvious/important/cheap signals (delete as applicable).

      SETI started distributed computing in a big way, and this is a similar (if far more individually clever) application. It's very muck akin to the way volunteers sometimes sift through spoil on an archaeological dig just in case anything interesting has been missed by the JCBs and WHSs. Good on the guy, it's a fair old achievement and a hobby I aspire to matching.

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  2. So.... by robthebloke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... there was a telescope, just not one he owned....

    1. Re:So.... by owlstead · · Score: 4, Funny

      The summary is right, the planets probably don't have any telescopes on them. I wonder how he found out even with a telescope though.

    2. Re:So.... by amRadioHed · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just discovered 4 new plants just by reading slashdot. I'm pretty pleased with myself.

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    3. Re:So.... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What have you done lately that was as cool?

      Collided protons at over 99.999999% the speed of light to recreate the conditions about 100 femto-seconds after the Big Bang to see if they produce Dark Matter particles which make up about 23% of the Universe. Still that's my job so I still think it is really amazing that an amateur can make such valuable contributions to science...and of course being a Yorkshireman myself its always nice to see another do well!

      However I am somewhat surprised that astronomers have not devised automatic algorithms to scan the data and look for signals like this. That's what we do with all our peta-bytes of particle physics data.

    4. Re:So.... by syousef · · Score: 2

      However I am somewhat surprised that astronomers have not devised automatic algorithms to scan the data and look for signals like this. That's what we do with all our peta-bytes of particle physics data.

      There are certainly automated searches and instruments online or coming online. Best examples I am aware of (I finished my masters in 2004 and never intended to work in the field, so I'm a bit out of the loop)...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Gravitational_Lensing_Experiment
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-STARRS
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Synoptic_Survey_Telescope

      It's hard to correlate existing data from various sources though because he instruments are so different in terms of data capture format, require calibration etc. That's not to say that it can't be done better, but I think you need to actually educate yourself about fields other than your own before you comment on them.

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  3. Not "without a telescope". by siddesu · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's been using "other people's telescopes" so to speak.

    This is nothing new -- in fact, most astronomers work just like him - they use observations made by their colleagues.

    The astronomers who actually do observations are fewer than the people who do astronomy, mostly because observing requires a whole lot of skills on top of astronomy knowledge.

    1. Re:Not "without a telescope". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um no. Typically the guys up in the middle of the night taking a series of long exposures are NOT the multiple PHD astronomers. It's college kids working on their Masters or Phd. Running a telescope is actually quite easy, you do what the Researcher asks, and then deliver the data. It's been this way for a while now. you dont have the old guy spending all night looking through an eyepiece with the guide motor controller in hand. In fact a friend of mine that works at UofM astronomy was making observations during the daytime by using a scope in Australia and had the data and images sent to him, he then did the processing.

      The only telescope that requires rocket scientists to operate it is Hubble.

    2. Re:Not "without a telescope". by Exclamation+mark! · · Score: 3, Funny

      I bet they all have the "keen eye for detail" on their CV

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    3. Re:Not "without a telescope". by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2

      Yes, we get it, a telescope was needed. But this kind of news is good and heart-warming because it shows that science isn't a private club, that it isn't the treasure that a few monks keep in their ivory towers after decades of arcane education. It is something that anyone can and is encouraged to participate it. These big tools exists, but they are everyone's property. The only thing I would change in the title would be to add "and without a PhD". Come on, science is the biggest game, anyone can join.

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    4. Re:Not "without a telescope". by siddesu · · Score: 2

      You should visit a modern observatory.

    5. Re:Not "without a telescope". by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2

      Visit just about any laboratory in the world and you'll see Ph.D. students operating equipment that costs millions of dollars under the direction of senior faculty. Without some pretty specific citations I find it hard to believe that astronomy is any different.

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  4. Good for him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unusual slashdot posting, in that there seems little to ridicule in anything or anyone about the event. Good for him, I'm glad his efforts paid off in these discoveries. I think he distinguished himself in his persistence and ability to keep at it when many others might have seen the effort as futile for so many reasons.

    1. Re:Good for him. by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unusual slashdot posting, in that there seems little to ridicule in anything or anyone about the event.

      You're just not trying hard enough! I say he's a pinko, commie, socialist, hippy for expecting other scientists to gather the data for him first! As our overlord Sarah Palin would say, he wasn't man enough to gather it himself. Now fuck off you peace-loving, sweet talking, idealist progressive. This is just one more reason why America is better than socialist England!

      For the record, I do not work for Fox News, I'm just an overachiever when it comes to misplaced criticism sometimes. ;)

  5. Gas giant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This guy is clearly a gas giant rather than everyday normal gas worker.

  6. Automation? by Tibia1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It says that he 'read data' and 'created graphs'. Couldn't whatever he was doing be automated? I'm sure that astronomers are already automating a whole lot of data analyzation, but for a random guy to find 4 irregularities, seems strange. Maybe high level pattern recognition is vital to the process he used? Get this guy, or somebody to start writing code.

  7. Clippy by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi, it looks like you've been spending a lot of time on a wiki. Might I suggest some Jimbo.

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  8. Look down, not up by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually if you want to see a planet you should really be looking down, not up.

  9. Without reading the article... by orphiuchus · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing "Gas worker" is short for "Chemical Engineer.".

    1. Re:Without reading the article... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing "Gas worker" is short for "Chemical Engineer.".

      Some might suggest you have that backwards...

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  10. Hey, uh...while I have your ear... by P.+Legba · · Score: 2

    ...please don't annihilate the fucking world.

    Thanks.

    1. Re:Hey, uh...while I have your ear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

      You may find this link useful.

  11. Re:OMG! He used math! by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if you know this, but pretty much all discoveries in the last hundred years have been made with math. Astronomy especially so.

    It is pretty clear that you don't understand the fact that there are only so many scientists in the world, and these discoveries require people pouring over data for extended periods of time. Science is not a glorious profession, and it doesn't pay well. That means there aren't that many scientists doing all the works of science. It's not like there are millions of professional astronomers out there - at best there are a few thousand. Any time you can enlist the help the public to go through the tedious analysis tasks you are better off, especially if you happen to snag a guy who has two science degrees under his belt. Just because he doesn't do science for a living doesn't mean he wasn't trained as a scientist.

    I'm honestly quite flabbergasted by your attitude. If Einstein were an astronomer instead of a theoretical physicist, how exactly would you expect him to discover new planets with just pencils, paper, and a waste basket?

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  12. Meanwhile, a 10 year old girl finds a SuperNova .. by gordguide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kathryn Gray, a 10 year old girl from New Brunswick, Canada, discovered a previously unknown SuperNova over the Christmas holidays. Neither Kathryn nor her dad own a telescope. They used images downloaded to her dad's computer, an astronomy buff. The images were taken via a backyard telescope owned by another amateur, David Lane of Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada).

  13. You can do this yourself too by Spinalcold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Zooniverse has recently launched a new project using data from Kepler. You can create a profile at Planet Hunters and look for planet transits. IMO it's the most exciting project they've launched. Sure you're not naming the planets, but you are aiding the search.

  14. Re:OMG! He used math! by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Funny

    "and these discoveries require people pouring over data for extended periods of time."

    Well, only if the data is from the Big Dipper.

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