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BT Content Connect May Impact Net Neutrality

a Flatbed Darkly writes "BT's Content Connect, a service which many have accused of threatening net neutrality, has apparently launched, although it is unknown whether or not any ISPs have bought or are planning to buy it yet; BT has denied the allegations, from Open Rights Group among others, that this, despite certainly being an anti-competitive service, does not create a two-tier internet. From the article: '"Contrary to recent reports in the media, BT's Content Connect service will not create a two-tier internet, but will simply offer service providers the option of differentiating their broadband offering through enhanced content delivery," a BT spokeswoman said.'"

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  1. Welcome to new-speak by Libertarian001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She denies that their service creates a two-tier internet, then goes on to describe their service which, is to create a two-tier internet. Nice.

    1. Re:Welcome to new-speak by Pojut · · Score: 4, Funny

      Marco: "Commissar. I have rehabilitated another group of the party's enemies."
      Murphy: "Ha haaaa! Yeah! What does rehabilitated mean again?"
      Marco: "Beaten the asses of."
      Murphy: "I LOVE new-speak!" ....
      Murphy: "Now, if you'll excuse me, we need to rehabilitate Phil...in the face."

    2. Re:Welcome to new-speak by dangitman · · Score: 5, Funny

      She denies that their service creates a two-tier internet, then goes on to describe their service which, is to create a two-tier internet. Nice.

      Your problem is that you're mistakenly thinking of them as "tiers." That's not the case. It's more like two different levels of service.

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    3. Re:Welcome to new-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your problem is that you're mistakenly thinking of them as "tiers." That's not the case. It's more like two different levels of service.

      Lucky bastards. My ISP doesn't even give one level of service.

    4. Re:Welcome to new-speak by Fembot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Far more worryingly than a CDN in the exchange which people might *gasp* be expected to pay for, the page promoting it http://www.contentconnect.bt.com/ Seems to include clips of "Elephants Dream" which is CC-BY licensed without any attribution anywhere that I can see.

    5. Re:Welcome to new-speak by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you click the 'More' tab, there's a note which reads "This website uses OpenSource video content. (c) copyright 2006, Blender Foundation / Netherlands Media Art Institute / www.elephantsdream.org". BT do tend to be hypocritical asshats, but they appear to be following the terms of the license in this case.

    6. Re:Welcome to new-speak by a+Flatbed+Darkly · · Score: 3, Informative

      This wouldn't be a BT first; the Home Hub, their free router, used to rather egregiously violate the GPL. MoonBuggy does appear to be right, though, it'd be an interesting debate to have over whether concealed attribution constitutes attribution.

    7. Re:Welcome to new-speak by thoromyr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is it a two-tier Internet, or is it a glorified video-caching service? How is this different from Akamai?

    8. Re:Welcome to new-speak by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BT has rolled out a new set of pneumatic tubes. One set if you pay will let your messages move around the UK with delightful burst of Steve Ballmer's "Obsession For BT" - dedicated BT only optical path.
      If you dont pay you can wait for the converted "Bring out your dead" cart to be filled and get pushed along a dirt track. -kept to the shared, oversubscribed best effort networks.
      BT should have spent more on backhaul.

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    9. Re:Welcome to new-speak by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      CC-BY license requires attribution according to how the rights-holder specifies; it's not specified by the CC-BY license terms itself.
      Without knowing how the copyright owner wants it to be specified, you can't know whether a specific method of attribution is in compliance.

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    10. Re:Welcome to new-speak by ThreeGigs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, did you read up and understand what this is all about? Or am I misunderstanding completely what BT is offering? Seems to me BT is simply offering to cache content on their own network to eliminate a lot of network hops, and reduce latency.

      Can someone tell me how an ISP offering to cache media content, for a price, violates net neutrality or somehow manages to create a two-tier internet? Is Netflix _not_ allowed to pay BT to keep a copy of their movies available just for BT customers? Is BT _not_ allowed to cache high usage content that gets repeated hits from their users? I absolutely, positively don't see why anyone is making a big deal of this. Caching servers have been around for ages, and this seems to be just the next logical step. Are caching proxies now verboten?

  2. What a polite euphemism by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Contrary to recent reports in the media, BT's Content Connect service will not create a two-tier internet, but will simply offer service providers the option of differentiating their broadband offering through enhanced content delivery

    I ran that through babelfish and got the translation: "Fuck you! We'll do whatever we want and you can't do a thing about it."

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    1. Re:What a polite euphemism by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

      I set my copy of Babelfish to Simpsons and got Nelson's "Ha Ha!"

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  3. BT stands for British Communications PLC by torrija · · Score: 5, Informative

    BT needs disambiguation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT

    Acronyms can be confusing, so please explain them before using the acronym.

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  4. Re:differentiating = not neutral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In UK terms, back-haul refers to the connection from the ADSL provider's kit in the exchange ( central office ) back to the ISP's network through the ADSL provider's POPs. This is distinct from the ISP's connection to the Internet ( Level 3 in your example ).

    ISPs which rent ADSL services wholesale from BT Group generally use BT's back-haul but there are various back-haul options ( big players being BE, Easynet and C&W ).

    This BT service delivers content from the POPs, so that the ISP's backhaul is not loaded with streaming media.

  5. Re:BT's infrastructure monopoly by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I believe you're slightly misinformed. There are three broad "classes" of internet connection in Britain: Firstly, there's cable, provided by Virgin Media - phone, TV and net traffic all go over their fibre/copper, so BT's services don't apply there. I couldn't find a figure for how many subscribers they have, but they are a very large company so I'd imagine the number is not insignificant.

    Secondly, there's BT Wholesale. This uses BT's infrastructure, linked to BT equipment at the local exchange, and resold to consumers via retail ISPs (including BT's own retail division). These retail ISPs are the ones covered by Content Connect. Five years ago this covered almost all users in Britain, and even now BT Wholesale products have many millions of users, but their reach is declining.

    The final category is LLU, or 'Local Loop Unbundled' services. These are the ones that require a BT line (in order to connect you to the local exchange), but then hook that line into the ISPs own equipment when it gets there. Ofcom forced BT to accommodate the LLU equipment in their exchanges. This entirely bypasses BT Wholesale (so no Content Connect), meaning that the retail ISP takes home more of the profit, which is why it's becoming more popular with the big ISPs who can afford to install their own DSL hardware at a decent number of exchanges. Services from Sky, TalkTalk, Be, and others use LLU equipment where available but fall back to a BT Wholesale product for those users connected to exchanges where their equipment has not been installed.

  6. This is your run of the mill CDN by slashdotmsiriv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Similar to those deployed by Akamai and Limelight for their customers, and by Google and Microsoft for themselves.

    A typical case of a Telco moving into an additional market.
    Arguably, it does allow BT to offer multi-tier services. But it is not packet-level differentiation
    in the network, which is the issue at the heart of the net-neutrality debate.

    If Content Distribution Networks violate net neutrality and the /. crowd thinks so, then
    we should be blasting Akamai and Google long time before we started blasting the Telcos.

  7. Re:BT Content? by zakeria · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah and I read this as Bi-Tier

  8. Re:akamai by natehoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this is basically an Akamai-like caching server. And I can see where the controversy lies.

    If BT implements this and doesn't intentionally throttle other services, I don't see this as a violation of neutrality - BT is not discriminating against anyone in using the Internet pipe, they are simply maintaining a cache service for those who want to cough up a little more dough for their web sites to be stored in a local cache. BP customers can still access anything they want on the Internet at Internet speeds, but certain things run at local speed which is faster.

    However, I can see how this could be easily abused, if BT started speeding up the Internet packets (*) coming from their customers who paid for the caching service and slowing down everyone else's, or started blocking or throttling sites that refused to pay for it, or lowered their overall Internet connection to the point where only cached sites were useful.

    I can also see how this could be interpreted as a "two tier" system, but such systems have been in use for quite some years in the US and have been very successful here. They do make some web pages faster than others, but I haven't seen many reports of ISPs intentionally throttling their regular Internet bandwidth to punish service providers who don't pay up. I've heard of ISPs who try to force high-bandwidth content providers to subscribe, and that's wrong, but that's a matter of abusing the technology, not a problem inherent to the technology.

    Frankly, I don't understand why an ISP wouldn't want to simply start caching all static content. But, unfortunately, that means that most content they really want to cache is not going to be. Streaming video from someone like NetFlix is encrypted so the movie you watch is a different set of bits from the same exact movie your neighbor watches 5 minutes later. BitTorrent is not only comprised of a great deal of illegal content that the ISPs don't want in their cache servers, it's also frequently encrypted, and the BitTorrent protocol is going to tend to prefer "local" clients so it's already optimized to save backbone usage when possible anyway.

    YouTube would be brilliant for this sort of thing, and YouTube actually uses Akamai if I recall correctly.

    (*) By "Internet packets", I'm referring to caching customers who might only cache static content. This is how my company uses Akamai - we give Akamai a copy of all of our static content (ie. pictures of our product), they replicate it out to all of their edge servers around the world as needed, and we simply use an Akamai URL to access the image on the web site. Akamai automatically determines the closest server to the customer and serves them up the replacement image. All encrypted and dynamic content is directly between the customer and our web servers.

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