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Magnetic Pole Shift Affects Tampa Airport

RFSSystems writes "I thought this was an amazing and rather rare phenomenon and wanted to share. 'The airport has closed its primary runway until Jan. 13 to repaint the numeric designators at each end and change taxiway signage to account for the shift in location of the Earth's magnetic north pole.' It appears that the shifting poles have begun to affect air travel in a somewhat modest way. Could this also be the explanation for the falling/dead birds this week?" I hope the gradualists are right, but scenarios for rapid magnetic pole shift are fun to think about.

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  1. Happens all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The airport I work at has a second set of signage from when the gradual shift occurs in cycles, making for a 10 degree change in the direction of the runway. Ie, here it will be runway 10-28 becoming runway 09-27. Has nothing to do with birds, happens every decade or so. Ten years after that, itll be back to what it is now.

    1. Re:Happens all the time by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Funny

      because measuring "true" cardinal directions is so simple, compared with measuring magnetic north.

      Oh wait...

    2. Re:Happens all the time by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am astounded they would be orienting runways according to the magnetic poles and not the "true" cardinal directions.

      Maybe because a magnetic compass will (almost) always work when the more advanced instruments don't?

      How do you propose that pilots figure out what the "true" cardinal direction is as they approach the airport? While working through their landing checklist, monitoring other air traffic, weather, and everything else that has to happen before the wheels touch down?

      I guarantee they don't have time to do a star-sighting.

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    3. Re:Happens all the time by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      It's that damn daylight savings timecube correction factor that always kills me!

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    4. Re:Happens all the time by kaiser423 · · Score: 2

      INS systems on most aircraft already due true heading and magnetic. The problem is that most itty bitty, tiny hobbyist planes don't....But my smartphone does. I can't see the technology being that far out of reach for most aircraft owners. At this point, it's more about inertia, and how big such a change would be (manuals rewritten, all airports changed, etc).

    5. Re:Happens all the time by icebike · · Score: 2

      Its nothing at all to do with inertia.

      It has a lot to do with a compass working long after your smartphone gave up because it ran out of battery, couldn't see any satellites, couldn't find any towers, and was disrupted by other instruments/radios in the aircraft.

      You presume your tiny little experience with your silly little iphone applies in the far north, in third world countries, in the middle of god forsaken Nevada, and the South Pacific.

      Its all about functionality, and knowing the runway alignment when all you have is a Non Directional Beacon and a runway alignment.

      All manuals are rewritten, as are the NOTAMs, and all runways are renumbered routinely. Its been happening for well over 60 years, and its not news.

      Your getting a smartphone seems to be the only new element here.

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    6. Re:Happens all the time by sjames · · Score: 2

      It's not a perfect pattern, but mostly it wanders within a circular region. Since the signage only has to change when it wanders far enough to one side to make a significant difference, it will naturally require a small set of alternate signs which will be reusable under typical conditions.

    7. Re:Happens all the time by BobMcD · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that this is only true from the human's perspective. From the Earth's, it has actually traveled all the way to the other side and back, many times over.

    8. Re:Happens all the time by natehoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Both.

      The regulations are there for a very good reason. Every airplane needs a magnetic compass on board, because in all the years of using magnetic compasses, they aren't known for running out of batteries or needing to be rebooted at a critical moment or failing because a programmer fucked up and you just crossed time zones. Electronics can easily accommodate using mag north, magnetics cannot as easily accommodate using true north. So we use the system the simplest system can accommodate easily, and the more complex systems that are MORE than capable of adjusting for it do so.

      Hobbyist planes are where professional pilots learn to fly, and most of them start out using a magnetic compass as their primary directional instrument (or at least use that as input to set a a directional gyroscope that's easier to read). That way, when the pro pilot is up there and the instrument panel suddenly goes dead in a puff of smoke, there's no reason to write off the lives of the passengers on board. The pilot knows where he's going, and this is due in part to the simple instruments that are on board, and in part to the fact that he's prepared in case this happens.

      You learn to fly using shit that don't break, then you get to play with the fancy doodads later, but you never forget how to use the shit that don't break. People's lives depend on that.

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    9. Re:Happens all the time by e70838 · · Score: 2

      They do. See for example https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/aip/enligne/PDF_AIPparSSection/VAC/AD/2/1101_AD-2.LFPG.pdf
      page 2, at the top right, VAR: 1W(05) is the magnetic deviation.

    10. Re:Happens all the time by Stuarticus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must work for apple.

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  2. I wonder by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2

    if we'll see a similar phenomenon with the bee population as we start moving into the warmer months ahead. Perhaps it's not just a cell phone boom that was to blame last year...

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    1. Re:I wonder by Machtyn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

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    2. Re:I wonder by operagost · · Score: 2

      Give me some of your tots! I'm freakin' starving!

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    3. Re:I wonder by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry. But that is nonsense.

      There are rednecks and fireworks everywhere in the USA on new years eve. Yet the massive bird death was strictly local.

      The noise excuse is simply silly. It is not possible to create enough noise with a few big fireworks (or full sticks of dynamite) to kill bird over a 4 square mile area.

      Can't be done, and if it could every city an town in the US would be littered with birds.

      The most rational explanation is a large flock of birds, from somewhere possibly quite distant, were sucked aloft by a small un-noticed rural tornado or violent updraft and simply froze to death, and thawed upon landing.

      Occam's razor applies to acts of nature.

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    4. Re:I wonder by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://io9.com/5725175/why-are-thousands-of-dead-birds-suddenly-falling-from-the-sky

      They say it better than I could:

      One thing to remember is what day and time the incident occurred: near midnight on New Year's Eve. Plenty of people mark the beginning of the new year with fireworks, and it's possible these celebrations caused this nasty accident. Arkansas Game and Fish Commission spokesman Keith Stephens says the commission currently favors this theory, as fireworks that were shot off in just the right area near the birds when they were roosting could have scared them, creating a traumatic stress event.

      Why are thousands of dead birds suddenly falling from the sky?

      Obviously, birds don't usually fall from the sky when fireworks are shot off, so what would have happened here? We do know that birds tend to be more highly concentrated in rural areas, meaning one big fireworks blast in just the wrong area would have terrified thousands of birds all at once.

      This would have happened at night, when birds are roosting on the ground - and if this did indeed happen when the birds were asleep, experts say the trauma would have been enough to kill them, as the terrified birds frantically flew into each other in the heavy night fog. Witnesses have since come forward to say they saw a person setting off industrial-grade fireworks near the roosting area, which would seem to back up that theory.

  3. Not rare at all by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Changing magnetic deviation due to movement of the magnetic pole goes on all the time. Runways are numbered according to their magnetic heading, plus or minus five degrees, and they have to keep them up to date, is all.

    Two seconds of googling found this comment thread discussing a different runway-renumbering from July of 2009.

    Obviously not enough airplane geeks around here...

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    1. Re:Not rare at all by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 5, Funny

      How am I supposed to panic uncontrollably when level-headed people like you are around?

      Seriously speaking, thank you (and people like you) for being around.

    2. Re:Not rare at all by digitig · · Score: 3, Informative

      Runways are numbered according to their magnetic heading, plus or minus five degrees

      Plus an alphabetic suffix such as "L" or "R" in the case of parallel runways.

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    3. Re:Not rare at all by trollertron3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm a private pilot here in Tampa and I can actually see the runways from my parking garage here south of TIA (actually KTPA). They teach you this during your private pilot's course so it's known to all pilots that deviations occur and poles shift. Magnetic deviation is accounted for in your training and you use other tools to compensate.

      In fact when I fly along I'll use a chart of known magnetic deviations in the area I am flying to find true north. I also have two instruments I can use - a heading indicator and an actual magnetic compass. We set the heading indicator, a gyroscopic-based instrument, using the compass while flying straight or on the ground. This will need to be adjusted as we fly along typically, it "creeps". We use the heading indicator over a magnetic compass because trying to fly accurately with a compass is like trying to balance a unicycle. it's not easy and you chase the dial. We also use GPS but the ultimate navigation instrument for a VFR pilot like myself is a set of eyeballs, we use dead reckoning using navigation landmarks noted on charts or known to us.

      The pilots flying into KTPA will most likely be commercial pilots flying an instrument landing approach. This will not effect them much at all but the runway needed to be shut down so it could be repainted and fit into the FAA regulations. It's as simple as that.

      Not sure why I added all that. Probably because no one else did.

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    4. Re:Not rare at all by poena.dare · · Score: 2

      Just don't ask him about convection changes in the earth's core; he'll freak out.

  4. Difficult to change, but not that rare. by Xocet_00 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The movements of magnetic north have, on many prior occasions, caused airports to have to redesignate their runways. Since it requires updating of all the charts that aircraft are required to carry (not to mention signage on the ground), it's often deferred as long as possible. Tampa doing this isn't really that significant, although I admit that it's kind of neat in a visual-manifestation-of-invisible-phenomenon kind of way.

    Wikipedia subsection on the subject.

    1. Re:Difficult to change, but not that rare. by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's a really cool animated gif from Wikipedia, showing the magnetic declination changing over time.

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    2. Re:Difficult to change, but not that rare. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      You do have to pity the chaps responsible for repainting the runways of aircraft carriers whenever their orientation relative to the earth's magnetic field changes...

    3. Re:Difficult to change, but not that rare. by Orion2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Changes to stuff like this are introduced on a cycle once every 28 days - called an "AIRAC cycle". The AIRAC is synchronized all over the world, so all the systems, charts and the like on the ground and in aircraft can be updated accordingly. Obviously there is some lead time ahead to allow for publication, distribution and update of the information and depending systems.

      Imagine if it was only once a year - every change affecting more than one airspace user or aviation service provider in the world would have to be introduced together. This would in consequence mean that you could only open a new runway, introduce a departure procedure or many more things on that date.

      On top of this there's a notification scheme for distributing info like non-functioning equipment, temporarily closed runways (for which you don't change maps forth and back), procedures to adhere, info about an airshow and the like. This is called a NOTAM - short for NOtice To AirMen.

    4. Re:Difficult to change, but not that rare. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2

      Charts are generally updated more frequently than that, though not as frequently as the AIRAC information that Orion2 mentions. Usually, sectional and terminal area charts are updated every six months or so. As an example, the current LA sectional and TAC are good from 16 Dec 2010 to 30 Jun 2011, and are based on information current as of 18 Nov 2010 for airspace and 21 Oct 2010 for everything else. All pilots are required to carry current charts with them when acting as a crew member no matter what their level.

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  5. Actually somewhat common by ASimPerson · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has happened before, and it'll happen again.

    Airport runway numbers are based off their magnetic headings with the last zero removed. So a runway that runs due south/north is 18/36 (i.e., it faces 180 degrees south and 360 degrees north - 0 isn't used). A runway that runs due east/west is 9/27. And so on. When there are parallel runways facing the same direction, the L, C, and R designations are used. A pair for parallel east/west runways are 9R/27L and 9L/27R.

    So as the pole drifts this sometimes causes runways to have be renumbered. One previous example is Reagan-National airport in Washington, D.C., where runways 1/19 and 4/22 were originally 18/36 and 3/21.

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    1. Re:Actually somewhat common by wondafucka · · Score: 3, Funny

      This has happened before, and it'll happen again.

      So say we all.

  6. Magnetic/Spin Axis Confusion by Elder+Entropist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your "rapid magnetic pole shift" link is to an article about the (fairly ridiculous) rapid shift of the axis of rotation of the planet rather than the magnetic pole. The two really should not be confused.

    1. Re:Magnetic/Spin Axis Confusion by rjhubs · · Score: 2

      Yeah I'm not sure why Timothy felt the need to tack that on the end. The magnetic poles and rotational poles are separate entities. Conflating the two is usually just done by 2012 doomsday people who want to show the moving magnetic poles as a possible indicator of the apocalypse in our future

  7. Happens quite often by cloudstar · · Score: 2

    Its a change in magnetic variation (deviation is the discrepency in a magnetic compass due to its electromagnitic surroundings). Happens all the time. It's only when the change exceeds certain tollerances that they change the runway numbers. And those tollerances all depend on when that particular airport was last numbered.

  8. Birds by rewt66 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The birds got confused by the discrepancy between runway numbers and magnetic north, couldn't figure out where to land, ran out of fuel, and crashed?

  9. Re:Dead birds? by BobMcD · · Score: 2

    No, that was not the magnetic pole shifting. Stop watching movies like 'The Core.'

    I hate this site sometimes, largely because I'm about to be blasted for saying this... but...

    The Core is only partially terrible science.

    PLEASE DON'T MURDER ME. Let me speak...

    The magnetic field over the earth DOES in fact shift around, and it is, at least some of the time, due to changes in the core. Also it is assumed to cause bad things to happen.

    So the premise of the film, being that the Earth's core is messed up and is causing us a bad time of it, isn't really all that flawed.

    Now the laser-worm with the bombs and all that, THAT is crap. But birds falling from the sky can and does already happen due to magnetism. Check out pigeon races and how they have to plan them around these fluctuations.

  10. Re:Like Bush... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    Friends don't give friends chlamydia. -- The Pole.

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  11. Re:Hollywood knows what to do by Idarubicin · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Nuke-lee-ar" is still three syllables. You don't say "new-clear", do you?

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  12. As an engineer, let me suggest... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

    Build the runways on giant wheeled platforms on rails that can be reoriented to the magnetic field so that you never need alter the runways numbers.

    1. Re:As an engineer, let me suggest... by AceyMan · · Score: 2

      You do realize that the runway orientation is chosen due to things like prevailing winds and local terrain, don't you. Once you've discovered the optimal runway orientation for a site, you wouldn't want to change it. Unless, say, a mountain moved, or something along those lines.

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    2. Re:As an engineer, let me suggest... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Or paint a giant colored spot instead of a number. "Flight 234 cleared to land on Runway Cerulean Left."

      Damnit Jim! I'm a pilot, not an interior decorator!

  13. Re:For the airplane geeks... by kaleth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because not every plane has a GPS or INS. (Certified) GPS equipment is still new and expensive for airplanes. INS is very large and heavy, and only used on large commercial jets.

    And perhaps most importantly, a compass always works. If everything else fails, you still have that as a backup.

  14. Re:For the airplane geeks... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Informative

    The compass requires no electrical power.

    I fly a Cessna 172S equipped with a Garmin G1000. It's a glass cockpit that makes life much, much easier, but I still have a few analog instruments: compass, attitude indicator, airspeed indicator, and altimeter. All of them function on principles in place on aircraft for many decades now, and provide a layer of reliability in case just about everything goes wrong. I can lose the entire electrical system and still be able to fly to the best landing site available, because the compass is based on the Earth's magnetic field, the attitude indicator is based on a vacuum-driven gyro (the vacuum pump is mechanical and run by the engine), the altimeter is based on the static air pressure, and the airspeed indicator is based on both the pitot tube and the static air pressure. (The engine spark is provided by magnetos that will keep providing spark as long as the engine is turning - no battery required.)

    There are complications when flying at night, but that's why I carry a hand-held navcom radio and a couple of flashlights with me in my flight bag.

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  15. Re:For the airplane geeks... by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because they offer the best bang for the buck. Because pilots are trained to use them. Because they work. Because aviation is totally anal about "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". This is A Good Thing.

    I'm learning to fly in Piper Cherokees, and I have a magnetic compass and gyroscopic heading indicator at my disposal. Both are accurate, but both have idiosyncrasies.

    The magnetic compass is subject to errors when accelerating or decelerating on east/west courses. It also misbehaves when turning to/from north or south. The heading indicator slowly drifts as Earth rotates underneath it. On long flights you have to periodically re-set the heading indicator.

    The pre-takeoff checklist includes setting the heading indicator to the magnetic compass, and verifying that both read correctly when you pull on to the runway. In the future Runway 01 (13 degrees) will become Runway 36 or Runway 02.

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  16. Regarding the birds by aliquis · · Score: 2

    Happened in Falköping, Sweden to:
    http://gfx2.aftonbladet-cdn.se/multimedia/dynamic/01365/05s21-pippidea-809_1365286l.jpg

    But it was just a retarded truck driver who had drove them over.

    People started to talk about fish, bees and some idiots about electromagnetic waves from phone antennas, UFOs, (US) government supposedly spraying barium, strontium and so on into the atmosphere showing pictures of planes with regular trails and saying "OMG OMG OMG!" ... Oh well. And the bees (actually) died from some Monsanto (?) poisoning which also happened to kill bees, which was known.

    Funny how everything bad comes from Monsanto but anyway :)

  17. Much Ado About Nothing by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I learned to fly at Elmendorf AFB, in Anchorage, Alaska back in the early '90s. When I first started flying at the Elmendorf Aero Club, the main runway was runway 05. A few years later, it was redesignated runway 06. Merrill Field, a civilian airport just a couple of miles away, also had to change the primary designation from 06 to 07 at about the same time.

    The magnetic poles shift with time, eventually by a significant factor. Since runways are designated by magnetic heading (for example, Elmendorf's runway 06 means the runway is pointed roughly to 60 degrees, and Anchorage International Airport's runway 14 is pointed roughly to 140 degrees), every so often airport management has to redesignate the runways to match the approximate magnetic heading with which the runways are aligned. It's no big deal, and has been happening for as long as there have been runways. All of the speculation at the end of TFS about "...shifting poles finally starting to affect air travel..." and "falling birds" is alarmist nonsense.

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  18. Re:How to confuse a Air Traffic Controller by digitig · · Score: 2

    I was flying into Des Moines airport shortly after they had to re-number the runways here. The controller cleared me to land on 31 Right, and I asked why it had changed, He explained about the pole shift, and I asked him if the instersecting runway (23) had changed? No it had stayed the same. I asked "Does that mean they will eventuallly be paralell?" (long silence) "We'll have to get back to you on that"

    304 degrees changes to 305 degrees, the runway designation changes from 30 to 31. Meanwhile 231 degrees changes to 232 degrees, it remains Runway 23. I expect the controller had other things to do and trusted you to check /. for the answer one day.

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  19. Re:For the airplane geeks... by trollertron3000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yup. The compass is one of the few instruments required in every aircraft in the US. Give me a tachometer, a compass, and an altimeter and I can navigate an airplane across the US.

    GPS just recently came into the cockpit and the devices are expensive. People should realize that these are aviation instruments, so they need to be certified and are in turn expensive.

    INS isn't in every aircraft simply because not every aircraft needs to be instrument-rated. Some people, like myself currently, only fly in VFR conditions. Removing these expensive instruments saves money, as you said.

    Want to see a pilot bitch? Tell him he needs to buy something. For a great example of this search Google for the term "ADB-S requirement" and see the pilots moan about this new requirement. I should know, I'm one of them :D

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  20. Re:For the airplane geeks... by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Informative

    Huh, I have a military fighter aircraft grade INS with a 2 hour battery backup packed into a 3U rackmount box right next to me that indicates it weighs 17lbs. Yea, it was expensive (low 5-figures). So are aircraft.

    Many aircraft cost in the mid-to-high 5-figures. Adding 10-20% to a private plane's cost, or double that if you want redundancy, seems excessive when the only benefit is some geek's sense of correctness. Adding 6U worth of rack equipment isn't exactly easy either - space can be quite tight up there as it is.

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  21. Re:mod parent up by marcosdumay · · Score: 2

    And just remember that the inconvenience for the airport every 10 years won't put any lifes in risk. The inconvenience for the pilots every time they land will put several (every crew member and passenger) lifes at risk.

    Also, I don't get the GP. The pilots like it the way it is, the airports aren't complaining either and nobody else ever see the numbers (except by curiosity). What is his problem with the current convention?

  22. True North by dogsbreath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm Canadian you insensitve clod. We use True North (coincidentally Strong and Free) for runway designations and thus are immune to drifting runway numbers. Let's hope desperately that the Earth's spin axis doesn't start moving!

    Strangely... as the years go by, I AM feeling a growing desire to learn the Cyrillic alphabet.

    1. Re:True North by Russ1642 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You only do that way, way up north where compasses aren't reliable. The runways in Canada use magnetic numbers just like everyplace else. At the Edmonton City Centre airport there's a pub located at the end of runway 30. The pub is named Runway 29, but they didn't want to change their name when the magnetic pole moved and the runway was renumbered.

  23. Re:For the airplane geeks... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2

    Flight is not generally as precise as many people think. Extreme precision is required on take-off and landing, and is not as critical in most other phases. In fact, intrument error traditionally provided a certain margin of safety in flight. Charts have for years now contained a warning regarding waypoints:

    CAUTION: GPS accuracy necessitates extra vigilance for other aircraft when navigating near any fix retrieved from a GPS database.

    Basically, the planes fly so precisely using GPS coordinates, and especially when using GPS-based autopilots, that there's an increased proximity danger at waypoints, which may include airports.

    Flying purely by hand, or even on instruments that have known error ranges, there is a safety margin because of the slop. Flying purely by precision instruments improves efficiency and some safety factors, but requires knowledge of the limitations as well.

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