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WikiLeaks Supporters' Twitter Accounts Subpoenaed
HJED writes "The US Justice Department has served Twitter with a subpoena for the personal information and private messages of WikiLeaks supporters. There's a copy of the subpoena here (PDF); boing boing has a detailed article. Twitter has 3 days to turn over the information."
Move along
Land of the free... as long as you dont badmouth the goverment. Otherwise we will throw you in jail for what you read crying thought crimes.
There is a threat to democracy, quick, suspend all civil liberties!
Individuals are entitled to say as they wish to each other in their private lives, the moment that is stopped in the name of 'national security' when they are discussing politics is when you should get the hell out.
To where is the only real question.
Looks like they are requesting personal data of an Icelandic Member of Parliment
I see a minor diplomatic incident on the horizon.
Anyone quoted by a reporter knows how little they understand
Don't believe what you read is the truth.
... in the US government's life of doing whatever the hell they want without a court involved if they're caught with their pants down. But that's not what's scary - it's that this will happen without objections, other than a silent whisper from the victims here, effectively quenched by a public that wants to read more about Khloe Kardashian getting her own reality show. Heck, it hasn't even been established in a court that what has been leaked could be endangering lives. But who cares?
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Twitter has known about this for >3 weeks, but they were forbidden to tell the affected persons about it. It seems like to they had to go to court just to give them this information.
News like this just makes me sad about the state of liberties in the USA.
"So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause."
When you have a facist/nazi/evil/whatever state you have people getting taken from their homes for not supporting the glorious leader/fuhrer/overlord/whatever and protesting?
Good times.
Wouldn't the Wikileaks people be encrypting their messages?
Palm trees and 8
Step 1: Pressure internet companies into violating individual rights
for the sake of security. e.g. withhold money saved online, block
websites.
Step 2: Play into anti-free-market sentiments of the Internet users.
Whine about how the companies that make the Internet possible are the
real threats to freedom of information on the Internet. Cite examples
of companies which were pressured into violating the individual
rights.
Step 3: Justify government control of the Internet as a measure
against excessive human greed.
Step 4: Take control. Decide who can see what on the Internet.
Step 5: POWER!!!
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/01/state_dept_launching_democracy.html
..the State Department says, it's launching a Twitter contest to "tweet what you think democracy is in 140 characters or less." The person who gets the most "unique re-tweets" will receive a Flip Video HD Camcorder." ....
"Evan Williams [co-founder of Twitter] says Twitter fundamental to government"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8563109.stm
"open exchange of information will prevail in most regions, but we don't have any specific plans in China or other areas where we're blocked"
All sounded so cool when it was aimed at
Welcome back to reality. Enjoy the gems from WikiLeaks, note whats missing and welcome to the honeypot.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Well, at least, I'd hand them a gigantic picture of a whale. "Sorry, your legal standing is over capacity."
So they are demanding the personal information of a Non-US citizen, that's not in the country and did not access Twitter from within the United States? Nor did any of them commit any sort of crime on US soil. Could a middle eastern country charge my wife for wearing a bikini to the beach in Florida and then demand her personal information from Twitter?
Isn't this the kind of thing done by a repressive, communist or fascist government?
Would not our government denounce any other government for doing this?
"Yes you have the right to free speech but only the speech approved by the speech police."
Wikkileaks outing the illegal and criminal activities of our and any government is good.
Government and large corporations need to be held accountable for the criminal, immoral and evil they do.
those who make and enforce the rules need to be held to a hire standard.
If the government does not obey the law it loose all credibility and the legitimately enforce it.
Wikkileaks however should take more care in what the released and spend more time with redaction.
wut no profit????
I love how a document marked "Limited Official Use" makes it onto the internet and then here, I guess the biggest problem with our government is apparently nobody can read....
What is happening here is the application of war tactics applied by the US defense department, only Wikileaks has no WMD's only words. Perhaps the defense department can justify its military spending by using its stock of WMD's???
There is a genuine and serious need for psychiatric evaluation, constraints and care of what is apparently many in government, specifically the defense department and defense contractors like Halliburton.
Consider the following and how so far out of line it really is, to the point of insanity. Who are we ever going to go to war with that would justify this level of military spending? Add to the US spending that of allies that the US would not go to war against. And then consider what the last link presents.
Clearly, absolutely, without doubt, there is solid evidence of insanity of some in very dangerous positions. They need to be identified, removed from their positions and treated for their mental disorders.
What's wrong with this picture?
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http://bit.ly/8iTYUu (even if adjusted for inflation [x2]) Maybe the way to deflate so called terrorism is, instead of acts of destruction. correct real problems.
I, for one, welcome our new fascist overlords.
Twitter has been ordered to produce
The following customer or subscriber account information for each account associated with Wikileaks; ...
Were I Twitter, I would send them thousands of account records -- Every user that has ever mentioned Wikileaks via Twitter and let them sort it out themselves.
The order said they must produce the information, but did not specify that the info must not be anonymized, or mixed in with thousands of other accounts.
In case everyone has forgotten it is against the law to release classified documents in the US and in most other nations. This includes people who assisted in the release making them an accomplice to the crime. PFC Bradley Manning who stole the documents and sent them to Wiki will likely either be put to DEATH or sentence to life at hard labor.. Even if you are glad the "MAN" got his . It is still against the law and subject to the law. Until someone changes that law. Just like all the attacks on companies who pulled support of Wiki, all the ISPs have to keep information about everywhere you go for over two years. Every byte you transmit or receive. Chances are they already know who all were in on it. We are not talking about M$ or the RIAA we are talking about "A" federal government. I suggest looking up ESPIONAGE. Again why it this a surprise??
Everything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. The connections you make, the things you read, everything. The government has too much power and by indulging in these useless social media activities, people are making themselves into potential targets by participating in them. Say you were curious about wikileaks and subscribed to Assange's twitter. Well guess what, now the government knows who you are, you are on yet another list and only because you were curious about what he had to say.
I'm not condemning social media as much as I am condemning this sort of behavior from government. But while the government IS behaving this way, people should be more careful in response.
Isn't this normal? I mean if the government is building a case against Manning, they are probably going to subpoena companies that they think have evidence that will help their case. The three are hardly just "supporters" of Wikileaks, they were named producers of the "Collateral Murder" video.
If this were the police state people think the US has become, they wouldn't need subpoenas. The government would have just raided the place.
When Yahoo executives grilled by US Congress over giving up private info of email accounts to China, which was linked to two guys jailed for "leaking state secrets."
May be twitter can use that as a defense?
If Twitter doesn't move to quash this, fuck them.
Isn't this normal? I mean if the government is building a case against Manning, they are probably going to subpoena companies that they think have evidence that will help their case. The three are hardly just "supporters" of Wikileaks, they were named producers of the "Collateral Murder" video.
If this were the police state people think the US has become, they wouldn't need subpoenas. The government would have just raided the place.
Normal for a hypocritical government perhaps - but other countries were denied access to US records and personnel when they were investigating serious crimes that actually did involve deaths (Nugan Hand coronial inquest and inquiry). When we want information - US says fuck you, when the US wants information the US says fuck you. This is not going to end well.
The Order states among other things, that _
"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the application and this Order are sealed until otherwise ordered by the Court, and that Twitter shall not disclose the existence of the application or this Order of the Court, or the existence of the investigation, to the listed subscriber or to any other person, unless and until authorized to do so by the Court"
_ and within a couple of hours you can find the copy all over the Net, as usual. Another bright action from the U.S. Department of Justice? Hey guys, it is a joke, isn't it?
_nice!
An unknown, over funded, non IPO (private) internet entity that spreads massive amounts of expensive freedoms and democracy - for profit entrepreneurship at its best.
The potential targets is spot on. Flush people out by helping their generations "Pentagon papers" via the anonymity of the internet.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Once the information is in the public, it can't be made secret again.
I'd suggest somebody read a little used document I suppose, at least if you claim to be an American: The U.S. Constitution. Most particularly the first article of amendment. What WIkileaks is doing clearly falls within the realm of that document where congress is explicitly prohibited from making a law in the first place to restrict such speech.
The article sounds like they are after info from key people known to be affiliated with Wikileaks.
The headline makes it sound like they wanted information on everybody on Twitter who has ever posted anything supportive of Wikileaks.
There is a rather significant difference between the two.
Rob Gongrijp is on the list. He is a famous Dutch hacker. One of the first to bring internet to the masses in the Netherlands (with XS4ALL). He was, allegedly, involved with Wikileaks in releasing the Iraq movie in where two reporters where killed.
All that would get you is a hefty fine for deliberately misinterpreting the subpoena to waste the state's time.
By posting this on slashdot you are making a record of your dissent. It wouldn't be hard for the feds to find it and find you.
That brings me to an interesting point, / . is just "the ramblings of socially-inept, technology-literate news-mongers".
A law was broken? So what? You are probably breaking more than a dozen laws a week, just by living and breathing, taking shortcuts over the lane, missing some info on the tax report, etc. If someone is out to get you, they can easily find something on you, or fabricate evidence against you.
If you had any spine left in your body AC, you would ask yourself WHY someone put their LIFE on the line to disclose this information, and why someone else do EVERYTHING in their power to stop it..
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
Next we'll see is people put on no-fly lists, just because they're friends with Assange.. And yet, the sheep keep defending their inadequate two-party system.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
They'll have to imprison all of us. Eventually "they" will, if people never stand up for themselves.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
That's not a smart move, unless the court order reasonably suggests that, it's highly likely that the judge would find Twitter in contempt of court for doing that sort of thing. Judges get rather pissy when they think they're being disrespected or disregarded, and parties that pull that sort of thing tend to get deal with gruffly.
That's not true. PFC Manning, assuming he was the leak, would be guilty. However, it's not a death penalty offense and unless you've got evidence that somebody helped him procure the information that he leaked, he'd be the only one that would be guilty. There is no culpability for Wikileaks releasing information that was leaked to them, they are not an investigative organization, they only leak what people voluntarily provide them.
It did specify that the data not be anonymized.
It specifically orders Twitter to provide real names, email addresses, physical addresses (both business and personal,) telephone numbers, IP addresses used...
Sure, there's nothing to prevent Twitter from making it worse and releasing the personal data on thousands of other people, but since they were essentially ordered to give all the information they had on the accounts requested, that plan seems doomed to be rendered moot by the use of Ctrl-F.
The geatest risk to US innovation and continued dominance in Internet business is NOT regulation. It is the DoJ. In the future start ups are going to avoid the US because they can present the increased privacy as a selling point to consumers.
So you don't know the Men In Black. Good. They don't exist. Now close your eyes, muffle your ears and soon everything will be OK again. Do it NOW.
I am wondering if they are going after the guys because they are trying to help Assange continue his website , thereby allowing the continuation of the wool being taken off us residents (and the worlds) eyes, as to how bad the us gov. treats others....or is there a legitimate reason, like maybe they are criminals that rape and pillage, ....oh wait, yeah probably not.
What court is going to give the go ahead on this, oh wait, yeah ...again,....that would be a US court, run on US soil, even though twitter is not a US entity.....hmmm...will be following this one closely. This reminds me of the guy who got so pissed off at someone, that anyone after that he comes across, gets the same treatment no matter if the person did anything or just said hello....the US gov. needs to back off.
They don't care about the lunatic fringe they care about the masses. The lunatic fringe is already unafraid/uncaring about government opinion. Any action against them makes them martyrs to themselves and others like them. No the government wants joe-shmoe so they can put the fear in the other joe's.
Before everybody jumps to conclusions, from the actual subpoena, the information being turned over is contact information - names, mailing addresses, methods of payment, if applicable, ip addresses, etc., specifically excluded is the content of the tweets. In short, it appears they are 1) trying to see where the data came from -- if US, then US laws pervail, 2) how to contact individuals and 3) if money exchanged hands, from what countries did that occur.
These are all things that any investigation would look at. If this were 30 years ago, the subpoena would be to the phone companies instead of Twitter.
Since it was announced some time ago that the DOJ was investigating the leaks, there isn't any news here. If they had hacked Twitter to get the information, then that would have been newsworthy, but as it stands, it appears that the DOJ is following the laws in the US to obtain the information they are wanting in their investigation.
Sure, if you dont mind being held in contempt, thats a brilliant idea-- give the finger to the court system.
The geatest risk to US innovation and continued dominance in Internet business is NOT regulation. It is the DoJ. In the future start ups are going to avoid the US because they can present the increased privacy as a selling point to consumers.
This is simply not true. The greatest risk is US policy that borderlines on fascism. The DOJ is just the legal enforcement arm of the US government. In otherwords, they are tasked with carrying out the enforcement of those policies which are set by others.. They, the DOJ, are not the problem themself and focussing on them as the problem allows for the real erosion of rights and privacy to occur unabated.
It is an absolute imperative that the President of the United States of America retain absolute anonymity in ording the murder of US civilian nationals or the nationals of any other country (Reuters staff included).
Any and all individuals involved in outing the President of the United States of America must be arrested and executed or indefinitely detained for the amusment of the President and Cabinet Officials.
Hopefully Cpl Manning can survive in solitary confinement for many years, erstwhile Mr. Gates will have the 2nd Infantry trolling some city for another play thing to soothe his and Mr. Obama's sexual urgings.
Events such as this encourage business to move their servers to somewhere safe. Just like off-shoring jobs is a reaction to higher costs and lack of government protection of local jobs. If the government keeps doing this then eventually the only thing left in the USA will be law offices, lobbyists, and politicians.
This article should note that it is not just any "wikileaks supporters" and that it is linked specifically to a criminal investigation - though that makes the scope nonetheless excessive.
Everything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. The connections you make, the things you read, everything. The government has too much power and by indulging in these useless social media activities, people are making themselves into potential targets by participating in them. Say you were curious about wikileaks and subscribed to Assange's twitter. Well guess what, now the government knows who you are, you are on yet another list and only because you were curious about what he had to say.
I'm not condemning social media as much as I am condemning this sort of behavior from government. But while the government IS behaving this way, people should be more careful in response.
Who would have guessed we would be the next Iran?
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
http://www.militarybudget.info/WorldwideSpending.html
http://www.militarybudget.info/WorldwideMilitaryExpenditures.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Budget_Breakdown_for_2011
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/06/Gates-Shrinking-budget-means-fewer-troops/UPI-42921294353456/?dailybrief
vs.
http://www.unesco.org/education/tlsf/TLSF/theme_a/mod02/www.worldgame.org/wwwproject/index.shtml
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Chile, Costa Rica, Panama and Argentina come to mind for my "escape." I couldn't do Brazil - too many kidnappings and violence there.
It's not free speech, it's treason. Saying Obama sucks is free speech but publishing secret docs is treason. The penalties include death. Aiding in treason is treason.
Fuck being careful. More people should be NOT careful and speak out. 'Being Careful' is whats allowing the US Government to get away with this kind of behavior in the first place.
Nah, the best option in these situations is always to print out the records and have them couriered to the government agency who requested them.
Um, no. It's not really treason. And it is definitely not treason for all non-Americans involved.
Everything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. The connections you make, the things you read, everything. The government has too much power and by indulging in these useless social media activities, people are making themselves into potential targets by participating in them. Say you were curious about wikileaks and subscribed to Assange's twitter. Well guess what, now the government knows who you are, you are on yet another list and only because you were curious about what he had to say.
I'm not condemning social media as much as I am condemning this sort of behavior from government. But while the government IS behaving this way, people should be more careful in response.
You should be more careful about where/what you post... the Subpoena for Slashdot's user information is coming, they want your full background because you're posting on a Wikileaks thread... oh, crap, now they'll want mine too.
If this is private and confidential information, shouldn't it be already be published on Wikileaks?
wut no profit????
When you have power, you don't need profit. Profit is for those who want to advance in the game. You don't need to advance in the game when you own the game and make all the rules to the game.
Similar to the upcoming US election results
For military personel it is treason, for anyone else it is not. Especially when the group releasing the documents are not American, they have no duty to keep the secrets of foreign nations. Heck, you are not required to keep the secrets of your own goverment either. When the pentagon papers were published by the New York Times, and Nixon had them taken to court, the supreme court found 6-3 in favor of the New York Times publishing the documents.
"Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell."
—Justice Black
So in the closest case we have to Wikileaks, the supreme court ruled it was the newspapers RESPONSIBILITY to report the lies of our government to us. If you want to hide your head in the sand, obey big brother at all times, and never question your government, move to to China, they appreciate your kind there. America was founded on the idea of an open democracy by the people for the people, not some secretive government that disappears people who disagree with it for "treason". But the reason the governments are scared of Wikileaks is because a lot of people in government do things that if their people found out, would have them thrown out in seconds. Every time wikileaks releases more documents, the government starts banging the treason drum, saying it puts our troops at risk. As of yet not one single Wikileak can be blamed for causing the death of an American soldier. They said the same thing about the Afghan war document leak in august. The secretary of defense himself said "the review to date has not revealed any sensitive intelligence sources and methods compromised by this disclosure." Those were military communications, and these are diplomatic cables, which are far less likely to endanger troops, and far more likely to embarrass two faced diplomats who are being caught saying one thing to the public and another in private.
The truth of the matter is 911 was an incredibly successful attack on the freedoms of Americans. No group had ever been as successful at changing American views and ideals since the founding fathers. Since then large portion of Americans can be herded wherever the government wants you by using words like "National Security" and "terrorism", people willingly give up freedoms that our grandfathers fought for and often paid for with their lives. That one attack did more to bring us closer to a 1984 style big brother controlled America, where any dissent is crushed and called treason, than any effort by any group. People willingly give up their freedoms and rights in exchange for protection from the terrorist bogeymen. Hell they don't even need to get actual protection, most people are perfectly happy with the bullshit security theatre their goverment puts in place (at great public cost) that will do nothing to stop another attack. America may once have been the land of the free and the home of the brave, but it is quickly turning into the land of the totalitarian democracy, the home of cowards who hide behind their governments skirts.
It is dated December 14. The three days expired almost a month ago.
With iPads, we can push you new content over the air, so your facist/nazi/evil/whatever state never even existed!
If you're not too frightened, subscribe to Jacob Appelbaum's Twitter account (twitter.com/ioerror). He's the only American working on behalf of wikileaks and he's a prominent Tor spokesman to boot. Here's hoping he makes it home from Iceland safely.
this is to be expected from the USA, in fact its almost tradition by now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Last time i looked treason by a member of the military does make it punishable by death.
I know you're being funny, cynical, or sarcastic. But the simple fact that such a sentence with the words "the feds" instead of "the KGB" exists today and is even perceived as remotely plausible, shows how deep we stooped from our previous moral high ground of the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave."
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
Hide in plain sight. The guy with virtually no online presence is much more suspicious than the guy with an average looking Facebook.
Most human behaviour can be explained in terms of identity.
And how is exposing corruption in the government treason? To me it looks a lot more like patriotism.
... and then they built the supercollider.
So, it's ok for authorities to lie, cheat, bribe, kill, torture, etc, and the very act of exposing them is a crime punishable by death or life imprisonment?
They subpoenaed some information; that's not "death or life imprisonment".
You're so fucked.. Just watch your country go down in flames
It's much worse in Europe and elsewhere, and Europeans are too stupid to even realize it. Inform yourself about the laws!
Moxie Marlinspike got pulled out of an airport security line, was questioned and had his computers searched because he's a friend of a friend of someone working for Wikileaks.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
What happened was that a prosecutor asked for some fairly basic personal data. The US legal system requires review through a judge who decided that the release of this data was justified, but mandated disclosure. Furthermore, if Twitter and the affected individuals have an opportunity to challenge the decision. That's the legal system working the way it should.
Europe has mandatory data retention of this kind of information as part of an EU directive, and many nations have gone beyond even the already serious requirements that the directive imposes. Police in many European nations can get at this data without any kind of judicial review and you never even have a chance of finding out that you have been investigated. Show me a European nation where your data would be better protected from police and prosecutors than in the US.
And anybody who thinks that what Assange did wouldn't lead to prosecution in Europe is even more naive. Merely making fun of the state can land you in jail in European nations, as can insulting politicians and churches. Release of some of the cables is likely actionable in Europe simply because it portrays people in a bad light. It's a purely political decision that European nations haven't started prosecuting Assange for these releases directly; they certainly have the laws and information to do it.
Wake up, folks. In the US, at least people complain about this stuff. Europeans just submit to their governments unquestioningly.
So wait, your solution to a subpoena demanding a couple of account info's is to send them that, plus account info's of innocent bystanders who have no relation to the subpoena? Isn't that rather like getting mugged, and not just handing over your wallet but also bending over your girlfriend and saying "Please rape her not me"'. Or maybe like saying, "Please rape me first".
Why do they need to get the info from Twitter? Couldn't they just be tracking IP access at key edge routers and back trace that to the users ISP account?
If someone is posting on twitter that they like wikileaks, they are also most likely a user who is actively visiting the site... meaning there is definitely a IP trail from their ISP to one of the wikileaks mirrors.
IF they need to get twitter account user info, I would assume that means there is already a database of everyone accessing the site to begin with... Yay government!
I know. It sucks. America is the land of the free (if you are rich and/or in government), home of the sheep.
That brings me to an interesting point, / . is just "the ramblings of socially-inept, technology-literate news-mongers".
It's a wake-up call that most of the social media services we use are based in the United States, and thus subject to such subpoenas. I think the US government's eagerness to spy on internet communications puts US-based social media companies at a severe disadvantage in the global marketplace. But some of this blame must fall on the companies themselves. If Twitter is so concerned with free speech and democratic thought, they should be encrypting all DMs such that only the sender and recipient have the keys to unecrypt the private conversations.
It's ironic that the State Department encouraged Twitter to keep their service running 24/7 during the "Green Revolution" in Iran, which encouraged political and anti-regime dissent in that country through tweets, but when it comes to political dissent against the US government, suddenly these same government vanguards need to rifle through users' digital belongings in the middle of the night.
One can only hope that this will start to bring about a new generation of decentralized, non-commercial social media services such as Diaspora.
The truth of the matter is 911 was an incredibly successful attack on the freedoms of Americans.
Sadly, it appears very true. In one brutal attack Al-Qaeda has transformed the most powerful nation on earth into a nation of sheep that are being fleeced by the Haliburtons of the world.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, James Madison... great men with high ideals. I hope their hard work is not wasted.
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As you have to be a *insert this months bad term here* if you have even thought of reading what they had to say.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Amazon has already removed them from our kindles..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
NO! While the government is behaving this way, people should be rioting in the streets!
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Sometimes, I think I must have picked a very bad nick. I'm definately not inside the herd-think that is in here at least (phew for that ;)
I certainly will not justify government actions that is provably among those listed, and I think being scanned on social medium owned by corporations, by the government, just reeks of McCarthyism all over again. Especially so, when Wikileaks itself has broken NO LAWS. This is abuse, and will be abused, by people in high positions that want to cover their asses. If this is a new "war on wikileaks", it shows how badly these people need to be replaced before they do even more harm. They don't understand democracy and the internet, and they certainly will do everything in their power to seize more power, using every avenue to fool the public about it.
I'm not quick to believe conspiracies (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI&feature=related for my take on most conspiracy theories), however any wise person is now taking note that the well USA is tumbling down nowadays looks very much like corporate fascism. Maybe we need to experience it, to avoid the same damages in the future that is soon to unfold? Sadly, people seem so immature these days, it seems the lesson needs to be learned the hard way.
But I'll keep on posting. Eventually, usually, my points become validated in future events, be it new technical innovations or exposure of lies and deceit.
I vividly remember seeing GWB live on TV talking about how "a new intelligence report" showed EVIDENCE of WMDs in Iraq. For some reason, my gut sometimes reacts when someone is lying, and it did. I told all my friends that this was a lie. We started SMS campaigns how this was a war on false premises.. Basically, most my friends and relatives told me this can't be true. They "must" know something Blix and UN workers don't. But of course, it was all a big fat lie to justify going to war, something GWB had wished for a long time, revenge for his dad or just to take down "one of their own guys gone bad" (bad being the "other side", by definition of course). The "intelligence report" that justified the whole Iraq war was never found, and that should tell you something. How do these guys get away with it?
Clinton had to leave office for lying about the "definition of sex" (wether oral sex is "sex" or not!), while GWB has yet to be convicted of his crimes against humanity. Oh brother! What a circus!
People are sheep, even on /.. Just because a leader says to kill, people do it without any thought of who they are, what they're doing and what the consequences are (which is wisdom).
People blindly believe in religion, one-sided science and governments because of intelligence and flawed logic. It has no relationship with how wise they are, unfortunately.
Sometimes you have to listen with your heart, not dogma, and that is the only way to truly know something intuitively.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
The list of people/accounts that they requested data on is pretty limited - and they're not even requesting that the accounts be shut down.
These aren't just Wikileak supporters (I imagine Twitter has thousands). These are people who are closely related, and some cases (formerly) a part of Wikileaks.
Probably, the DoJ is building a case against Assange (and probably others) and needs to be able to verify the identities of individuals whose Twitter accounts tweeted statements the DoJ wants to use in evidence.
The US government is making itself out to be a pariah. Guantanamo Bay and the show trials surrounding it (is regular American justice so broken that they can't be tried using regular laws??), left people in other countries shaking their heads and saying 'gee, I'm sure glad I don't live under that sort of totalitarian democracy', but their bizarre witch hunt surrounding anyone associated with WikiLeaks is somewhere between an affront to stupidity, and yet another show trial (even if you have to make stuff up). Now they are going after corporate sponsors of WikiLeaks on Twitter and elsewhere. This is barbaric. Apparently genuine public disclosure is not allowed in the US. When going after 3rd world countries, 'Democracy' was the official word. Its just that the message gets confused with the 'Do as I say, not as I do' actions. I always follow the rule: "actions speak louder than words, and they always tell the truth." When the US says 'oh public debate is OK, open transparent government is OK', thats the talk part. When they go after WikiLeaks (founder, supporters, everyone else), thats when they flunk at the action part. Because the first half doesn't match the second half, you have to conclude (left with no other conclusion) that they are clearly not telling anyone the truth.
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Anonymous Coward
How are you going to hold in contempt a whole company?
Everything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law.
I would say, "does anyone need more reason to quit doing anything that is hosted on a service in the US where their personal information can seemingly be requested or taken at any time by the US government"?
I think this is less of a case about it being 'social media' and more of a case about being careful in what jurisdiction you're hosting potentially sensitive stuff. If Twitter was a service hosted in a country with a little more of a grasp on reality you'd probably be less concerned about it - same if you were just hosting a blog, or a website that mirrored the wikileaks cables, or whatever. ... as long as your target country wasn't on that growing list of ones that would just do what the US government told them to do anyway, of course
It is *only* through these new forms of communication and mass organizing that modern governments can be opposed. Being more careful only serves to empower them. If twitter/etc become a problem we can find a replacement but as a whole, we should *embrace* rather than hide from the new tools at our disposal for collectively organizing.
People without a significant online record, including naked pictures of themselves online, should simply not be allowed near government anymore.
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Somehow telling them more than you need seems counterproductive
Could a middle eastern country charge my wife for wearing a bikini to the beach in Florida and then demand her personal information from Twitter?
yes, if twitter was located in the middle eastern country and your wife had provided her personal information to them.
Look again, then, and this time pay closer attention to the definition of "treason."
"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the application and this Order are sealed until otherwise ordered by the Court, and that Twitter shall not disclose the existence of the application or this Order of the Court, or the existence of the investigation, to the listed subscriber or to any other person, unless and until authorized to do so by the Court" _ and within a couple of hours you can find the copy all over the Net, as usual. Another bright action from the U.S. Department of Justice? Hey guys, it is a joke, isn't it?
From the article on Salon:
It was issued on December 14 and ordered sealed -- i.e., kept secret from the targets of the Order. It gave Twitter three days to respond and barred the company from notifying anyone, including the users, of the existence of the Order. On January 5, the same judge directed that the Order be unsealed at Twitter's request in order to inform the users and give them 10 days to object; had Twitter not so requested, it would have been compelled to turn over this information without the knowledge of its users.
Kudos to Twitter.
I notice that the subpoena asks for the information in electronic form (CD, electronic media or email).
Does the agency asking for this information understand the privacy and security implications of transmitting information over email? I get the feeling that there's some sort of disconnect.
I'd be interested in asking the people in the DOJ whose email address is listed in the subpoena (I won't repeat it here) about how savvy they are about privacy and security of information transmitted over email.
-- recherche
And submit the data on paper. ;)
ok, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason " I think this will do : United States Code at 18 U.S.C. 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695. Since according to the US, people lost their lives due to information leaked that gave al-Qaeda information about informants i suspect this will fit the bill. The clause that will be used is," giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere", Should i even remind you that he took a oath to defend the US??? I think if you read the link it is even more surprising what other countries consider treason. I know taking a oath and keeping your word or being expected to keep that oath is so 1930- 1950 ish , but the military still expects it. .
The clause that will be used is," giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere",
It would have to be stretched beyond the limit of sanity to make THAT case.
Admittedly, "sanity" isn't anywhere to be found on the USG's character sheet these days.
And prove to me that the "Men in Black" actually exist. Really. And they have agents that look like Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith too?
Back in the 50's-60's the cia was using LSD on unsuspecting hospital patients for decades in another country. Apparently all this was without the permission or knowledge of the host country. Perhaps this occured in far more countries than we will ever know, and it may be why many leaders now are not so enthusistic about an alliance, friendship, partnership or aid from the united snakes of america. As far as that goes I do not believe any restitution, apology, nor remedy was ever provided by the usa, and have continued to observed all the activities and subterfuge of an unbridled secret society plunging itself into even more surreptitious, devious and lecherous activities.
Now maybe a good time to start distancing ourselves from the ever lying and cheating, self proclaimed protector of "rights" and "freedoms" that are the over-rich, over-privileged, ever-mouthy, uncaring and incompassionate, arrogant and self-righteous kings and queens in those united snakes. I am not so taken by the myriads of movie and entertainment crap put out by a vain, self-congratulating glutton that could actually be helping the world instead, and help even its own people thousands of times better, to real altruistic ends. They hold the "public good" up as the reason for everything, convicing you that when you vote you actually have a voice and participation in government (you do not and is why ur system is so fkdup), and contribute to their brand of freedom (you do not), but the administration does nothing to really help the plight of the common person.
You can not tell me, or even START to pretend, that it is entirely inconceivable that the united sucks of america would not bomb their own people for some secret gambit strategy to create a carte blanche bonanza to squelch individual rights and freedoms. Fk! they have bombed friendlies and allies often enough in battle - despite all their so called smart technology, advanced communications devices, IT, and the fact that they are ever presently practicing wars they have instigated throughout decades. They have done it before, to their own people, calling it tests of vectors and distribution patterns of virals. This hatred for the French population for being independant enough, free enough, to suggest so in a book 6 months after the 911, is ridiculous. Oh yes!! Everyone is just so jealous of the states. lmfao!. People question the lunar landings, why is it so hard to believe that they have not either orchestrated the ruse from the start, or at the least actively contribute and support in many unkown ways to the holy wars?
As mentioned previously, in the 1770's the u.k. had an annual budget of 80,000 pounds just for the Secret Service, I do not think that fact was ever wasted on the 4 fathers. I remember the boasting in the 1960's of the technolgy to filter and monitor all communications taking place in the world, of spy satellites that could discern objects on the ground anywhere in the world smaller than 1 meter. In the 1960's!!!!!! And yet here we are today half a century later, 50 years later, rifling through their so called secure communications channels merely to demonstrate to the rest of the world that they are a secret and evil power that is out of control. What happened to all these capabilities, sharpened by years of experience and technological innovation, in being able to identify threats? Perhaps if they were not picking fights with disadvantaged countries advancing merely finacial interests . . .
I would be oh! so greatly worried that the united snakes of america: 1) can not be bothered, 2) do not have the know how or abilities, 3) nor the wherewithall, to be able and protect the intellectual property and communications of its own people, most especially at an obvious point of vulnerability. Perhaps if they paid great minds to do great work instead of highering reach-around, gladhand suck ups, or allowing millions of corrupt, fktard execs that decide on any solution they want (are paid/graft/payola to invest in) instead of what is best, they wou
No, but the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure do. Anybody trying a stunt like that would be slapped with sanctions under Rule 11 in short order. And ordered to go back and do it right.
"Make it ten--I am only a poor corrupt official."
--Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains), Casablanca
in everything.
twitter is trivial to clone, its just a web based irc with a massive database backend.
any one wanna make a safe wikichat.ICELAND alternative
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Wow, would it not be easy to write some perl code to detect this and fetch the first 2kb of the url, to grab the tags, and translate the url in full too ?
About 12 minutes work there. Add that to the feature request list.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Intimidation of those you politically disagree with is the hallmark of a totalitarian dictatorship.
I am just happy that I don't live in the United States.
Poor Americans, having to live with what effectively amounts to single party government; the only two parties that can be elected are quite obviously controlled by powerful corporate interest groups.
Lol.. There are exceptions to the constitution as not everything fits into a clean little world. One of these exceptions dealing with the first amendment is where it's illegal to profit from a crime. It also touches on the 4th or 5th too. Another exception is inciting a riot. If your speech causes someone else to break a law, you can be considered a conspirator in that violation and convicted because of it.
These are laws that limit speech that the courts have held to be valid and completely in line with the constitution. Furthermore, the courts have long held that if the situation effect national sovereignty, that can override the constitution to some degree. Look into border searches for instance where one of the very first laws passed by the country allowing warrant-less searches at the borders was ruled constitutional.
You simply cannot yell "free speech" or "the constitution" and use that to void laws on the books either. Currently, in order to make one of those laws officially unconstitutional, you have to show how the law has harmed you in order to get standing then proceed through the courts to get it properly declared as such. That means yes, you need to be charged for the crime or be prevented from doing something you were already doing and sue for the right to continue doing it.
Laws that restrict speech based upon time, manner, or place restrictions have proven to be "constitutional", but you had better explain how that applies to Wikileaks. Laws that define the speech itself are almost universally declared unconstitutional.
But then again, most judges forget there is also this silly clause "congress shall pass no law". It means exactly that and nothing more or less. I can't help it if judges can't read something like the constitution in the first place, and it is a slippery slope if you decide to pass any law that restricts free speech in any way.
Using the excuse of "national security" to prevent individuals from spreading information based upon a contract has merit, where that individual is breaking an agreement if they divulge the information. That exists with trade secrets as much as it applies to classified information. The difference is when an uninvolved third party has the information and what the rational basis for preventing them from further dissemination of the information may lie. If you restrict that in any way, you have essentially killed off anything resembling journalism... which is precisely the point of the 1st amendment.
You can't put stuff into Pandora's box once it is out, no matter how hard your try. Any legal restrictions to do so are futile and can only become more repressive to the point that free speech in any form is a meaningless exercise.
I just can't stand people being sheep in accepting what the courts rule, as if the courts are the ultimate arbitrator of what is constitutional and washing their hands of the matter as if nine men alone run the government or ought to run the government. As citizens we can and indeed we must be holding our government officials to a higher law, and complaining about abuses to the foundational principles when they happen. What is going on with Wikileaks is an abuse of these foundational principles even if the courts are whitewashing the whole thing as if it was legal.
Unfortunately, all rights are alienable.
Just study the meaning of "Supoena the ____ (online) accounts of Supporters."
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When it comes to source IP address make it simple - just say that it 127.0.0.1 for all users =)
Ouch! Indeed! That is how the chilling effect begins: people start whispering to each other instead of talking out loud at the water cooler; unspoken glances are used to arrange gatherings of no more than three in quiet attics and basements. I am thinking that perhaps a better response would be for EVERYONE to start following Julian Assange on Twitter no? Then Twitter could simply say: here is the list; all 190+ million users and their access records; have fun!
PaulW, IT Consultant
Perhaps only provide a hard copy as well. I know folks below have said this would get you a fine. But this method of data swamping in useless formats is often used to delay or thwart these types of requests.
The Grey Goo disaster happened 3 billion years ago. This rock is covered in self replicating machines!
Is it sensitive information? If it's merely embarrassing, then the sensitivity isn't the information, it's the people in the office. In which case, there is no crime, and the only crime there should be is the one of marking the documents illegally as sensitive.
But whilst people in power get no come-back for mislabeling documents and benefits to hiding their incompetence or crimes, they will continue to do so.
Apparently with your blessing.