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Sony Says PSP2 "As Powerful as PS3"

Jason writes "Sony is reportedly pitching the PSP2 as a high-end portable equivalent to its PS3. The gaming content on the platform will clearly differentiate the handheld from Apple's and Google's mobile products as well as the games found on the App Store and the Android Market. The company will reveal the first concrete details regarding the handheld in Tokyo on January 27. This is a month before Nintendo's 3DS platform goes on sale in Japan. Sony is already planning to reveal more at GDC and E3 after the initial announcement this month."

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  1. As powerful? by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK. But what's the battery life?

    1. Re:As powerful? by elysiuan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a good question and I think it speaks to a larger trend in the handheld market. Nintendo, the undisputed leader of the console handheld market for many years, has traditionally always made their handhelds a but underpowered with respect to the technologies of the day. One of the driving factors of this was battery life which they have excelled in.

      Now with the advent of the 3ds they seem to be bucking that trend with a 5 hour battery life.

      Now that the push among handheld makers is to provide higher fidelity experiences it seems users of the next generation of handhelds will have to get used to much shorter battery life times.

      Battery technology is lagging behind a bit. I'm curious to see how this all plays out in the next 5 years or so as our love of powerful portable devices continues to grow.

    2. Re:As powerful? by chispito · · Score: 2

      Lithium-ion has 4x times more storage than the old NiCads found in the original Gameboy. I'd say batteries are advancing, although certainly not as fast as the power demand of the CPU.

      The original GameBoy didn't include a rechargeable battery of any sort, It took four AAs of whatever variety you wanted.

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    3. Re:As powerful? by maudface · · Score: 2

      If you'll excuse my off-topic pedantry.....

      When the quoted poster says "the same cpu" he doesn't mean the same die, he means the Power Processing Element within the cell is basically the same as the three cores in the xenon in the xbox 360. This is largely true, the only thing he missed out is the cache difference

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)#Xenon_in_Xbox_360

      The "slightly modified" comment corresponds to the fact that the Xenon contains VMX units whereas the cell does not as the SPE units are essentially supercharged VMX units.

    4. Re:As powerful? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, I think the 360 does use Xenon, which is PPC.
      I know it's not x86, since IIRC there was a discussion somewhere about porting x86 code to the original xbox, which would be feasible. The 360 was mentioned as being unworkable in having alien architecture.

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  2. Of course by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And of course, because of magic, nobody can remember the over-hyped "PS2 emotion engine" and the "PS3 is so powerful it's going to last 10 years" marketing.

    If the PSP2 is as powerful as the PS3, why is the PS3 Slim still so big?

    1. Re:Of course by lavacano201014 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hard drive, Blu-Ray drive, ethernet, I think there might be some Bluetooth in there...

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    2. Re:Of course by m50d · · Score: 2, Insightful
      nobody can remember the over-hyped "PS2 emotion engine"

      Hmm? I remember, and it seems to have fulfilled it. The PS2's graphics look good enough that I don't care about better. Or rather, while I do care, it doesn't get in the way of games - in the N64 or anything earlier, the graphics are always obviously unrealistic, wheras IME the PS2 is as convincing as modern games or even movie CG. And as for the "players feeling real emotion" part, well, for me that's been true since at least Chrono Trigger. I don't even like the PS2 (the games available by and large don't interest me, and I've grown out of consoles in general), but I think it fulfilled its promises, and IIRC it remains the best selling games console of all time.

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    3. Re:Of course by tapo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you're rendering at 720p-1080p on a PS3. When you're rendering at 320x240, you can pull off a lot of neat tricks without needing that much processing power. Aside from that, you have the blu-ray and hard drive taking up valuable space.

      The PSP came out during the PS2's lifespan, and easily looked just as good.

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    4. Re:Of course by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2

      Over-hyped? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Sony because of their antics w/ rootkits, removing other OS, and a handful of other stupid PR stunts - but the things you are trying to refute make no sense.

      PS2 over hyped? It's STILL selling games! More than the other consoles of that generation. the PS3 was released Late 2006. It's already gone through 4 years and its still selling.

      And in your final statement, you are comparing a brand new mobile device to a console created 2 years ago. Take a look at high end mobile phones today and mid grade PC's 2 years ago, they are pretty close in terms of power. The reason they don't adjust the PS3 everytime new hardware comes out is that it costs more money to alter the factories than the increase in amount of units they expect to sell by simply making things smaller. The Slim and the new Xbox360 were made to address customer concerns with size and noise created by the original models.

    5. Re:Of course by jokermatt999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "PS3 is so powerful it's going to last 10 years" It may not last 10 years (I can't see 5 years into the future), but it seems like it's going past the usual 5 year lifespan for consoles. That's pretty noteworthy, in my opinion. I think there's probably a liiiittle bit of marketing hype in claiming a handhold will get the same power as a PS3. Like others have said, I can't see a way to do that and have any meaningful battery life. I'd imagine there would be heating issues as well. In a closed room, a PS3 turned on for a while works almost as well as a space heater (yes, I've actually used it like that before. Don't judge me).

    6. Re:Of course by the+linux+geek · · Score: 2

      No. They are not remotely close in power. The 1GHz Cortex A8's in almost every high-end phone are *maybe* equivalent to lower-end models of Pentium 4 - so you're looking at a low-end chip in 2003 or so.

    7. Re:Of course by seebs · · Score: 2

      Consider that the PS2 is very close to lasting 10 years at this point -- not as the only console, or the flagship console, but still on the market because it's still worth buying. I don't think "10 years" implies "10 years as the fastest console we ship".

      And yeah, I don't believe for a minute that the PSP2 is going to be as powerful as the PS3. No one's gonna go for a handheld that needs a 70 watt power supply.

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    8. Re:Of course by Zelgadiss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "PS3 is so powerful it's going to last 10 years"

      Oh it will last 10 years alright.

      Not because it so powerful that no one wanted an upgrade, but because both MS and Sony blew a huge amount of money this generation and the next generation will cost just as much to develop.

      They can now either:
      -sit back and collect money
      or
      -risk several billion launching a new console

      I think it's obvious why they are in no hurry.

    9. Re:Of course by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      Going on 6 years in and I, for one, haven't heard a peep out of anyone concerning a PS4. So assuming rumors lead product by 2 years or so there won't be a PS4 until at least 7, possibly a solid 8 years into the PS3 lifetime. 2-3 years of support on the PS3 would be totally and completely in line with the level of support the PS2 got. I mean, there were still some 20-30 games released last year for the PS2. I have little doubt that you will be able to buy quality games for the PS3 in 5 more years.

    10. Re:Of course by Vectormatic · · Score: 2

      in all fairness, the PS2 did actually last ten years

      where they get the nerve to still ask 100 euros for the thing AND require you to seperately spend 20 bucks on a few Meg memory card though, is beyond me.

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    11. Re:Of course by Vectormatic · · Score: 2

      not even that i would say, ARMs are nice, but they lack loads of features we take for granted on modern x86 cpu's

      Stuff like windows and other bloatware makes us think any cpu older then a few years is dog-slow, run optimized software on the same thing and it will FLY, that is the way smartphones work

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    12. Re:Of course by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Bevause they don't go into your home and magical change the size of the old devices? Also, the Blu-Ray player and ports might be part of the reason.

      And the PS2 will last 10 years. Don't confuse cutting edge with working. Meaning there is no reason to think peoples till wont' be making really kick ass games for the PS3 in the next 5 years.

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    13. Re:Of course by nutshell42 · · Score: 2

      Almost no game renders at 1080p and a bunch of games doesn't render at 720p. Black Ops uses 900 by 560 or something close. That's barely handheld resolution.

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    14. Re:Of course by Moryath · · Score: 2

      On a screen the size of the PSP's, games originally coded for the PS1 looked as good.

      Everything looks better when you scale it down - pixelation vanishes, lack of curves on small polygons doesn't matter as much.

    15. Re:Of course by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "Almost no game renders at 1080p"

      I have over twenty on my shelf that render at 1080p.

      Not a single one of them is an FPS.

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    16. Re:Of course by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 2

      I own a bunch of those games on that list, and I'm quite sure they don't run at 1080p.

      For example, for one game on that list, burnout Paradise, even the developers say it doesn't run on 1080p: http://www.criteriongames.com/article.php?artID=70

      Also, this list claims a lot of other things: http://www.community.eu.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-General-Discussion/Which-PS3-Games-Are-1080p-full-high-definition/m-p/10102334

    17. Re:Of course by smash · · Score: 2

      Actually I would argue that for the past decade, consoles have been "Good enough". There is not a lot of popular game software that you can do on a PS3 that would not be possible (admittedly in lower def) on a PS2.

      The hardware upgrade cycle has slowed down simply because hardware is now good enough. The same goes for PCs too. I remember back in the mid-late 90s, 18 months to 3 years was well beyond any useful gaming machine's life.

      I've got a Q6600 PC that I purchased in 2007 that is still more than capable of running any game I throw at it in a very playable manner.

      Sure, I could get more FPS or higher resolution textures, etc with a quicker CPU, but the visual difference and impact on playability would be negligible.

      A PC purchased in 1995 for gaming would have been nearly unusable in 1998... Ditto for 1992-1995, and previous generations.

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  3. Re:Great! by Gorkamecha · · Score: 2

    Yes, but only until you pay for it, at which point that feature is automatically disabled.

  4. First thing that came to mind..... by Raxxon · · Score: 2

    "And just as secure!"

  5. All this has happened before, by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and all this will happen again. Anyone who's been around long enough will remember that Sony has a history of exaggeration when it comes to their consoles.

    My guess is that it'll have a modern programmable GPU with even more features than the PS3 has. Some guy in marketing heard that, and suddenly it's more powerful than the PS3.

    1. Re:All this has happened before, by CaseM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just like the PS2 has "Toy Story" graphics and the PS3 will deliver a "4D" experience. Yep, I remember.

  6. Figures by Simmeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Figures the first 4 posts sum up the /. crowd.

    - HATE Sony
    - Laugh at hype
    - Panic over battery life
    - Linux support

    1. Re:Figures by Vectormatic · · Score: 3, Funny

      you forgot:

      - blase guy bitching about /. crowd

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    2. Re:Figures by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 4, Funny

      Burma Shave.

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  7. Yup, not a new approach by sznupi · · Score: 2

    Perhaps worked pretty well to harm Dreamcast (in case Sega itself wasn't enough). Probably won't work too well this time, didn't really work with PSP1.

    Though I can believe PSP2 will be perceptually pretty close to PS3. Not only it has been half a decade - the screen is smaller, likely much less pixels to push, less need for texture resolution, etc.

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  8. I hope it re-uses some PS3 code by zepo1a · · Score: 5, Funny

    you know.. to save money..like

    getRandomNumber()
    {
    RETURN 4
    } :)

    1. Re:I hope it re-uses some PS3 code by Late+Adopter · · Score: 2

      Knowing Sony, they tested 50 dice for 5000 rolls to find the fairest one, and paid a highly-trained "entropy engineering specialist" to roll it to generate that 4.

      Never underestimate Sony's ability to blow wads of money to completely miss the point.

  9. Concerned about future PSP2 developments by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 2

    I admit, I'm concerned about this product.

    I mean, look at when the PS3 came out. It had a number of connectivity features like a memory card slot, and a lot of promise for future development. And as it matured and newer versions of the console were released, those features were progressively taken out and kicked to the curb in order to provide a more simplistic, a lesser, a (dare I say it?) downgraded user experience. Similarly, things like the Other OS option were taken out of the menus, further limiting this box as either a game player, a lobster trap for your purchased music and movies, or if all those fail, a doorstop. A very large doorstop, at that—you could use it to prop open the garage.

    I have reservations about the PSP2. Has Sony included enough bells and whistles in this device that, a year or two down the road, they can yank the popular features willy-nilly and still have something that's viable in the marketplace?

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  10. I don't care. Gimme games. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

    The PS3 was in my greedy hands when MGS4 dropped. The Wii was in my greedy hands with the announcement of well, quite a lot of pretty good stuff. Virtual On Oratorio Tangram/Force made the purchase of a 360 a no-brainer.

    Gamers largely shouldn't care about the number of triangles or how many shaders a console has. Yes, it's true, better graphics can enable developers to put together a deeper experience. But don't spew CPU/GPU bile to me about how powerful a machine is. Show me the games first. And if the device is really up for the task, the games will be amazing.

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  11. mini Cell by oh-dark-thirty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rumor is that Sony has developed a mini quad-core Cell processor for PSP2.

    http://www.pspworld.com/sony-psp/news/mini-4-core-cell-processor-is-feasible-for-psp-2-012424.php

  12. Re:FUCK YOU SONY by Mr.+Spontaneous · · Score: 2

    Most consoles are sold at a loss - the manufacturer makes most of their money from game licensing. By buying a Sony product, he'd eventually contribute to their bottom line by buying a new game (used ones seem to be getting more and more gimped).

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  13. This is fucking brilliant. by seebs · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think Sony has finally figured out Nintendo's weakness. When Nintendo comes out with something that fundamentally changes the nature of interaction with the gaming device, Sony needs to hit them, hard, with something more powerful that doesn't try to change anything else. This has never been tried before and is sure to result in immense profits and market domination.

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  14. Does it matter? by Stone316 · · Score: 2

    I have had a PSP Slim for a couple of years. Other than God of War and maybe 1-2 more games, i've barely touched it. My son uses it most of the time now since he got Invisimals for Xmas. I have to give them credit for that game, its a pretty cool game. Maybe its me, but I don't find many games on the PSP appealing...

    If they actually come out with some decent titles, then i'll buy it.. but I have a feeling I won't be.

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  15. Re:FUCK YOU SONY by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps, as an act of protest, we should buy these consoles, dismantle them, and sell them for parts. Just to hurt Sony's bottom line.

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  16. Re:Is this possible? by the+linux+geek · · Score: 2

    No, you can't. The PS3 has a reasonably fast in-order PPC970-derived core at 3.2GHz with several external vector units. You just can't put that kind of oomph in a portable device right now. I think the absolute best they could do is one of

    -PPC4xx - Dual core, clock in the low GHz range. Faster than most or all smartphones that currently exist, but not normally going to match up to the Cell.
    -A Tegra2 or OMAP4. Dual core, 1-1.2GHz, integrated (rather slow) GPU.
    -Intel Moorestown. I think this is unlikely, but it provides a pretty fast x86-derived core and the associated advantages.

    Even if they can get the processor up to 40% or so of the PS3 (which is the best they'll be able to do), there is no way they're going to have a GPU at anything close to the same level, or memory bandwidth in the same ballpark. In other words, Sony is hyping, and that's it.

  17. Playstation phone and controls by Enderandrew · · Score: 2

    I really wanted to like the PSP, except I want something closer to a PS2/PS3 controller. I want dual analog controls that feel comfortable.

    I game more on my iPhone than perhaps any other device at the moment because it is convenient and always with me. I don't want to carry a second dedicated device for gaming.

    The Playstation Android phone intrigues me. If they had downloadable Playstation games, plus an Android phone in one device, I'd definately look at that. But again, the controls become a huge factor.

    So where exactly is the niche for a PSP2?

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  18. Yes, but... by Syberz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, but will it have more than 2-3 games that are actually worth playing on it?

    I mean, there must be a reason why for every PSP I see someone using, I also see 10-12 people with a Nintendo DS?

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    1. Re:Yes, but... by seebs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have both. I have I think five games for my PSP and 50-some for my DS.

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  19. You just need to decipher sony-speak by __aailob1448 · · Score: 2

    What we at Sony try to say is that the PSP2 is as good running a 720p game as a PS3 running a 1080p game. That is to say the PSP2 is 50% as powerful.

    Of course, that's still impossible, everybody knows that. What we really mean is that the psp2 can run the kind of games that the PS3 runs, so the power of the psp2 is "in the ballpark", basically it's 25% the power of a PS3, kindof.

    I hope this clarifies it for you.

  20. Meh by pizzach · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am slowly falling out of love with modern games. I value quietness over loud fans. I value battery power over slightly better graphics. I value gameplay over quick time events. I value playing a game over waiting for load time. I don't mind realizing that I am playing a game when I am playing a game.

    I know a bunch of people grew up with these things I mentioned above and think it is normal and "the way it should be" (tm), but it just isn't my cup of tea. As with the PSP, it looks like the PSP2 will bring more of the same. There is a growing gaming culture pigionholing the definition of what a good game has to be.

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    1. Re:Meh by hardboiled.tequila · · Score: 2

      Dude, you sound like you'd love a DS right now.

  21. Re:FUCK YOU SONY by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2

    Why don't the manufactures buy them wholesale from Sony and sell them back to Sony?

    It seems like an obvious way to make money.

  22. Re:FUCK YOU SONY by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2

    What makes you think Sony will buy them?

  23. Re:FUCK YOU SONY by hkmwbz · · Score: 2

    Most consoles are sold at a loss

    Maybe they should stop doing that then. And actually, Wii sells more than anyone else, and it is not sold at a loss.

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