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Extinct Mammoth, Coming To a Zoo Near You

Techmeology writes "Professor Akira Iritani of Kyoto University plans to use recent developments in cloning technology to give life to the currently extinct woolly mammoth. Although earlier efforts in the 1990s were unsuccessful due to damage caused by extreme cold, Professor Iritani believes he can use a technique pioneered by Dr Wakayama (who successfully cloned a frozen mouse) to overcome this obstacle. This technique will enable Professor Iritani to identify viable cell nuclei, and transfer them to egg cells of an African elephant which will carry the mammoth for a 600 day pregnancy."

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  1. That would be awesome by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pleistocene park, coming soon to a zoo near you. Doesn't quite have the same ring as "Jurassic" though.

    Still I am willing to bet that this creature, if created, will be called "Manny", after our Ice Age mammoth movie star... any takers?

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    1. Re:That would be awesome by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meh.

      We wiped them out once, we can do it again. If you're descended from genes too slow to outrun and outwit a woolly mammoth, how the fuck did you get here in the first place?

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    2. Re:That would be awesome by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      hybrid mutant mammoth-elephant

      They play an important role in the very good sci-fi novel The Wind-up Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi..

      And they are not without negative consequences.

      If you haven't read it, you'd probably enjoy it.

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    3. Re:That would be awesome by JustOK · · Score: 2

      The RCMP will save us again. The M is for Mamouth, and of course the old saying "We always get our mamouth."

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    4. Re:That would be awesome by PatPending · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, as long as they taste delicious, I, too, shall welcome them.

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    5. Re:That would be awesome by camperslo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do you think they'll have nut obsessed rodents?

      As much as squirrels and others love nuts, I think some crows in Japan deserve credit for doing something different with nuts. NHK (via Mhz WorldView) reports that birds have learned not only to drop nuts in the roadway where cars break them open, but to do it at intersections where the traffic gets stopped so they can pick up the pieces.

      PBS also reported it:

      http://www.pbs.org/lifeofbirds/brain/index.html

    6. Re:That would be awesome by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      I'm sure giving birth to a mammoth will have no negative consequences. :-|
      Maybe some for the mother/keepers and maybe even those near the zoo if a fence fails but I very much doubt there will be any large scale consequences from breeding mammoths. We would be able to deal with them long before they got a chance to establish a breeding colony.

      It's the small fast breeding animals you really have to watch as once released into an ecosystem they can be nearly impossible to eliminate.

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    7. Re:That would be awesome by guyminuslife · · Score: 2

      So am I, although without the sarcasm.

      Recall that our ancestors used to hunt those things down and eat them. Sheesh, if we ever need advice on handling a mammoth problem, we can always see what the Lascaux guys had to say.

      Plus the scientific potential is enormous, even disregarding the awesomeness of it all. I, for one, would like to know if mammoths enjoy peanuts.

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    8. Re:That would be awesome by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Considering that elephants can run at 40 km/h, which is 100 meters in 9 seconds flat, 200 meters in 18 seconds and 400 meters in 36 seconds, and the world records for those distances are 9.58, 19.19 and 43.18 seconds respectively, I fail to see how the inability to outrun a mammoth has ever been a problem.

      Granted, we have no real knowledge of their actual speeds, so it could be 5 km/h but it could also be 60 km/h like a giraffe or 50 km/h like a white rhinoceros.

      Humans have never really had a need to outrun any of our prey animals. We have relied on intelligence, stamina and weapons to take them down, not speed and strength.

      But I'm guessing that just means you didn't descend from genes smart enough to outwit a cow.

    9. Re:That would be awesome by Phoghat · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Sure everything's fine, them comes the yelling and screaming" Jeff Goldblum

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  2. jaunty tune by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I recall the time they found those fossilized mosquitoes and before long they
    were cloning DNA
    Now I'm being chased by some irate velociraptors
    Well believe me...This has been one lousy day

    Jurassic Park is frightening in the dark
    All the dinosaurs are running wild
    Someone shut the fence off in the rain
    I admit it's kind of eerie

    But this proves my chaos theory
    And I don't think I'll be coming back again
    Oh no

    I cannot approve of this attraction
    'Cause getting disemboweled always makes me kind of mad
    A huge Tyrannosaurus ate our lawyer
    Well I suppose that proves...they're really not all bad

    Jurassic Park is frightening in the dark
    All the dinosaurs are running wild
    Someone let T. Rex out of his pen
    I'm afraid those things will harm me
    'Cause they sure don't act like Barney
    And they think that I'm they're dinner not their friend
    Oh no

    Jurassic Park is frightening in the dark
    All the dinosaurs are running wild
    What a crummy weekend this has been
    Well this sure ain't no E-ticket
    Think I'll tell 'em where to stick it
    'Cause I'm never coming back this way again
    Oh no...Oh no

    1. Re:jaunty tune by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Come on give Weird Al his due

    2. Re:jaunty tune by skine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It seems a little strange to me that so many sciency-types tend to like Jurassic Park. I mean, yes it does have dinosaurs and a girl who loves Unix.

      OTOH: "Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."

      So, in the end, the scientists are blamed for the whole thing. Not the person who decided to make it a theme park. Not the person who disabled all of the security. Not even the person whose job it was to think: "What if all of our security goes?"

      The scientists.

    3. Re:jaunty tune by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The book was a little different. The blame IMO was more on the way the rich old tycoon wanted to exploit the park for profit at any cost. The movie made him out to be a benevolent grandpa wanting to give every kiddie a stuffed sauropod.

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    4. Re:jaunty tune by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Regardless of who the bad guy is, a lot of his books have the "science gone mad" theme. He's a great writer, my only problem with him is when he pretends to be something other than a writer, such as when he appeared before the US senate pretending to be a climate expert.

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  3. Re:before you do it by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fuck that, I can't wait until one of these things goes nuts and starts goring the fuck out of everything.

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  4. I want the passenger pigeon by gurps_npc · · Score: 2
    And the Dodo. Not to mention the Florida giant beaver.

    I can do without the giant sloth, short nosed bear, dire wolves or the saber tooth tigers.

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    1. Re:I want the passenger pigeon by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Giant beaver, now that sounds interesting!

  5. Re:before you do it by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    before the hundreds of comments saying that this is wrong and shouldnt happen show up... dont bother.... lighten up and have a drink

    I can't. I don't even know what wine goes with elephant, let alone what wine goes with mammoth.

  6. Re:before you do it by AshtangiMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A warning. Like refer madness was a warning.

  7. Hmmm... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    So who will be the lucky lady to carry for the first Neandertal born in 25,000 years?

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      I would guess the answer would be in looking at how elephants treat their offspring when their offspring are born with birth defects.

  8. Pleistocene Park by Troll-Under-D'Bridge · · Score: 2

    Okay, time to be pedantic. And while the good professor is at it, why not breed some Neanderthals, sabre-toothed cats, or my personal favorite, the hugest of the post-Dinotopian behemoths, the Indricotherium?

    1. Re:Pleistocene Park by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      This technique, I suspect, requires a pretty close relationship. You could probably manage it with Neandertals because they are very close to us, genetically, as mammoths are fairly closely related to modern elephants, but for other extinct animals where there are no close living relatives, I doubt you would be successful.

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  9. Re:before you do it by PatPending · · Score: 5, Informative

    lighten up and have a drink

    I shall have a 3,400-year-old Mesoamerican beer.

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  10. I say blaze ahead fearlessly. by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 2, Funny

    'Cause they might be yummy!

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    1. Re:I say blaze ahead fearlessly. by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some specimens were preserved well enough for people to try to take a bite. Most accounts of this are dubious at best but a few more credible accounts of having eaten mammoth flesh described it as being quite nasty. This is to be expected of a carcass that has been sitting frozen and half rotten in the Arctic since the last ice age. Now supposing that we found a few cell nuclei that looked good, the most likely outcome would be several hundred failed attempts if prior cloning experience is any indication. Genetic damage could in principle be corrected to a degree by hybridizing the broken strands with a very closely related species (in the case of dinosaurs it would be bird DNA; Ostriches to be specific, not frogs as was suggested in the Jurassic Park movies)

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  11. YaBaDaBaDoo by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Excellent. I could use a baby mammoth to help with the dishes.

  12. Obligatory... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eh...It's a living.

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  13. Re:before you do it by PatPending · · Score: 2

    Try a nice Chianti. (At least it pairs well with liver and fava beans.)

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  14. Re:before you do it by WillDraven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this was an insect or small animal that might escape and breed you could have a point, but we're talking about a MAMMOTH. I seriously doubt they're going to manage to sneak off and start breeding in the wild without anybody noticing.

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  15. Re:before you do it by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

    think of all the damage kudzoo is doing in habitats where it is non-native.

    The mammoths will eat all the kudzu.

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  16. Now we'll find out.... by crhylove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If my theory is right and there is an ingredient in Mammoth meat that makes our species sane!

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  17. Re:A Modest Suggestion by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

    Know what would be cool? Create a new park in northern Canada and release some mammoths there. They would, of course, need enough forage. But once they begin to thrive, bring back sabor tooth tigers to control the mammoth population.

    Cool idea overall, but the sabre-toothed tiger part is unnecessary. The most effective predator of the woolly mammoth is still available.

    -=Steve=-

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  18. Re:before you do it by rubycodez · · Score: 2

    I and my marauding hordes of test lab animal liberators will let the mammoths loose on the modern world one dark night. Run like the wind and be free, FREE, Manny! mwuhahahaha!

  19. Re:before you do it by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2

    Mimmoth infestations, on the other hand, are all-but-impossible to eradicate.

  20. Re:A Modest Suggestion by timeOday · · Score: 4, Funny

    Naw, she's too busy running for President and taping her reality show.

  21. Re:before you do it by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a little different than insects or plants which invade non-native habitats. Insects, plants, small mammals, etc. all reproduce quickly, and can evade humans easily because of their small size. A few seeds fly around and suddenly there's an epidemic of kudzu, for instance.

    Mammoths are very, very large, as should be obvious by their name. They're not going to sneak aboard a cargo ship without being noticed, and then go hide in the wild somewhere and reproduce like rabbits. If anything, they probably have an even longer gestation time than elephants, which already have a ridiculously long gestation time (which is part of why they're going extinct; they can't reproduce fast enough to make up for human predation, even though it's been massively reduced in recent decades).

    I think the dangers here are non-existent. Elephants already have a very hard time in the wild; these things aren't going to get out and take over. Even if a couple of mammoths did manage to escape somehow (that'd be a massive security oversight wouldn't it?), it would be easy to find and recapture them within the 2 years or whatever it takes them to make a single baby mammoth. It'd be pretty hard to not notice a woolly mammoth running loose anywhere near humans. These animals are just going to be a curiosity, probably confined to zoos, and I think it's great that it might really happen.

    The danger is if this same technology is used to "resurrect" other, much smaller extinct species. What would happen, for instance, if they brought back some prehistoric insects that were alive when the dinosaurs were around? That really could have problems like what you're talking about, because insects (even large ones) grow and reproduce very, very quickly, but are small enough to escape human confinement pretty easily, and then be very hard to track down and exterminate once in the wild.

    Or what if they brought back the passenger pigeon, or the dodo bird?

  22. Re:A Modest Suggestion by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 2

    She couldn't hit the broad side of a ... well, mammoth.

  23. Re:the secondary problem by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hide him in a library.

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  24. Re:before you do it by Adambomb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hannibal 2: The Carthaginianing

    They're crossing the Alps and this time THEY'RE WARM

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  25. Good luck by estitabarnak · · Score: 2

    Modern cloning techniques don't have a fantastic success rate (~10% last time I checked; 30% from TFA). Even then, there doesn't seem to be an excess of surrogate mothers (African elephants, in this case.) Even harvesting the necessary eggs from the African elephants is tricky -- it's an invasive procedure, and operating on something the size of the elephant is no easy task.

    Even assuming that all goes well, cloned animals are known to suffer from compromised immune function and generally short lifespans. Many of these problems are an effect of the cloning process and any offspring will not suffer the effects (as we've seen with some sheep). However, given the size of the Mammoth, I can imagine it taking no less than a decade to reach sexual maturity (as with African elephants). Even then, to avoid some of the detrimental effects of the cloning process, you'd also need a Mammoth of the opposite sex...

    In short: While it's cool and technically in the realm of possibility, there are still a tremendous number of sizable hurdles in the way.

  26. Re:Cenozoic Park by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    Actually, that's Cenozoic Park 2. In the first one, the mammoths will be on an island, terrorizing a group of tourists or visitors. Why mammoths (being herbivores) would terrorize anyone, I don't know, but I'm sure Hollywood will come up with some weird explanation for that. Maybe something about some saber-tooth tiger genes getting in there accidentally, creating vicious saber-tooth mammoths.

  27. But Should We? by Bruha · · Score: 2

    The major thing that comes to mind is that were bringing a creature back when it's native diseases now have 100k+ years of evolution on them. They'll have to keep it in a bubble.

    Then again it seems a dwarf species existed until around 1700BC.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolly_mammoth

  28. Re:before you do it by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2

    That's expected from my Slashdot foe. There are many reasons why, in the novels, Clarice joined him. There are reasons why he got off on insanity rather than cold-blooded murder. Learn to read, not just watch the movies, then come back and tell me that Lecter had "no redeeming qualities whatsoever."

  29. Re:Obligatory Dr. Ian Malcolm quote by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its okay. If elephants get wiped out we can wait a few centuries and then implant elephant embryos into mammoth's so they can get their revenge.

  30. Re:before you do it by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Funny

    A mammoth on a slippery slope would be very amusing to watch! Let's do it!

  31. Re:before you do it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

    You realize you're quoting Jeff Goldblum, right?

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  32. Re:before you do it by Kjella · · Score: 2

    You do realize that people lived at the same time as mammoths right? That we have cave paintings of hunting them? If they were superlethal to us, we'd know.

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  33. Re:before you do it by nloop · · Score: 3, Informative

    How did this get modded up?

    There things used to be alive. If they had dire consequences on X population, X wouldn't be here today. They went extinct extremely recently. As in still freezer fresh.

  34. new meat afther they finish eating whales by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    The Japanese are rapidly going through the earths supply of whale meat. I guess they just want something to replace that by the time whales are extinct.

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  35. Re:Obligatory Dr. Ian Malcolm quote by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What bacteria will come from this animal that haven't been around since they are extinct?

          Dude, the spontaneous creation theory for life went out of fashion around the time of Pasteur. The only bacteria this mammoth will possess are ones that are present in our world today. While the mammoth's own micro-environment will no doubt favor the growth of certain specific bacteria as part of its normal flora, it will be no more dangerous than turtles and chickens which carry Salmonella sp (responsible for typhoid, amongst other things), or armadillos which carry Yersenia pestis (responsible for bubonic plague aka black death).

    While having your back scratched regularly by an armadillo is not a good idea, the presence of the pathogen in the environment does not automatically mean epidemics. There are a couple cases of bubonic plague even in US every year, FYI.

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  36. Re:before you do it by jacob1984 · · Score: 2

    I don't believe in karma, but prove it.

    What is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.