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New Study Links Video Games and Mental Problems

eldavojohn writes "A new study published today in Pediatrics Journal conducted in Singapore on three thousand children in grades third, fourth, seventh and eighth claims that one in ten are video game addicts and almost all of those suffer mental health problems. This comes conveniently after the suspect in the Tucson shooting has widely been reported as an online gamer. Among the accusations from the study are that playing video games leads to lower school performance and fewer social skills while exacerbating existing depression, anxiety and social phobias. Gamasutra reports that the Entertainment Software Alliance is already criticizing this study, saying, 'Its definition of "pathological gaming" is neither scientifically nor medically accepted and the type of measure used has been criticized by other scholars. Other outcomes are also measured using dubious instruments when well-validated tools are readily available. In addition, because the effect sizes of the outcomes are mainly trivial, it leaves open the possibility the author is simply interpreting things as negatively as possible.' It seems that the doctors are still disagreeing on whether or not gaming causes problems."

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  1. The Tucson Shooter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..Was reportedly walking. Now we need a study that links walking with mental problems!

    1. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by SerpentMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the kind of crap that keeps people from thinking straight. Video games do affect people. If you play them every now and then its normal. BUT if you play them to the point where you can't pry yourself away from them, then you have problems. For example if I eat like a pig and can't stop eating nobody would ever say, "oh no problem there." Or if you read, read, and read, and read to the point where you drone out reality everybody would say, "oh there is a problem." So why on this green earth can't people in slashdot admit that if you overdose on gaming then you have a problem!!!! Addiction, is an addiction and gaming is a vent for that addiction.

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    2. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if you walk, walk, walk to the point where that's all you do and drone out all reality, maybe that's a problem too, as the AC suggested. We might even find that gaming itself isn't even a statistically significant factor, and that the addiction component will take affect regardless of what the subject becomes addicted to. That might actually show that, as many here would suggest, gaming itself is not a problem at all.

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    3. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The issue is one of getting causes and correlation straight, instead of blaming gaming without evidence. A mental issue may have caused attachment to gaming, and not have resulted from excessive gaming. That this man got violent may have had nothing to do with the fact that he was also a passionate gamer. Mental illness of his sort is generally attributed to changes in brain chemistry that would have taken place regardless.

    4. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems that the claim is a tautology anyway. If you're addicted to anything, then you have a mental problem. People who have a specific mental problem have are a subset of people who have mental problems! Shock and amazement!

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    5. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by jandersen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ..Was reportedly walking. Now we need a study that links walking with mental problems!

      Oh dear, yet another of the "because I can dream up a silly example I have now disproved ..." sort comments.

      Or the slightly more informed comment: "Correlation is not causation". Friends, I think we are beginning to approach the point where can't honestly reject that there is some sort of causation going on; if there were just 1 - 10 studies showing a correlation, yes, but we are talking an ever increasing number of studies, and not only that, but there are other studies that supplement the suspicion, that computer games can cause a number of unfortunate consequences, by suggesting a number of plausible mechanisms. So, in the name of honesty, let's at least try to be open to the possibility that this may be true.

      None of these studies say that "if you play computer games, then you will definitely become psychotic/have a heart attack/turn into a killing machine"; all they talk about is an increased risk - ie. it is something worth keeping in mind. You may still prefer to take the risk, but I think it is a good idea to be well informed when you decide to, don't you?

    6. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by Cwix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which study would that be?

      I will gladly mock it also if it does the same or similar things.

      Giving children a questionnaire, to see if they are "pathological gamers" where they only have to answer yes to 5 questions, is NOT a scientific study.

      It does NOT fit the description of a "study". A study would monitor the children over a period of time, and use a guideline for what makes an answer yes or no.

      This "study" is bullshit.

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    7. Re:The Tucson Shooter... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference between avoiding stacking the dishwasher because you'd rather watch your favourite TV show, and never doing any washing because there's always another TV show to watch.

      But if he doesn't stack the dishwasher because of the TV show, then doesn't stack the dishwasher because he wants to play that video game, then he doesn't stack the dishwasher because he reads Slashdot, and then he doesn't stack the dishwasher because he just found this comic book, ... is he then addicted to TV, to the internet, to games, to comic books, to all of them at once, or is he maybe just too lazy to stack the dishwasher?

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  2. Video games are still the lesser evil by whiteboy86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Video games are way better then let your siblings lurk in the hood, take drugs, smoke or drink alcohol.

  3. The other way around? by pentadecagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could it be the other way around? Maybe people with this kind of mental health problems are likely to become addicted to video games.

  4. Correlation =/= causation by harperska · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or, you know, it could be that people with mental problems also have a predisposition to become video game addicts.

    1. Re:Correlation =/= causation by cacba · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems they have defined a video game addict in such a way that it implies you are mentally ill. The real question is how many mentally ill arent video game addicts. Which makes this a study on how prevalent video games are amongst the mentally ill.

  5. I'm getting sick of these "studies" by ewhenn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bet 8 in 10 of these school shooters have bicycles too. Why aren't they focused on the obvious bicycle problem?

    Correlation is not causation. When will they figure this out?

    1. Re:I'm getting sick of these "studies" by nomadic · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And correlation does not, as most slashdotters seem to think, disprove causation. As a lifelong gamer I think it's ridiculous to think that in some cases video games can't exacerbate mental issues.

    2. Re:I'm getting sick of these "studies" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think anyone is claiming that it disproves causation. The classic example is a study that surveyed young children showed a correlation between reading age and shoe size. It was a very accurate correlation - there were very few outliers who didn't have a reading age that you could predict from their shoe size with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

      Of course, children in the age group surveyed were all still growing, so both reading age and shoe size were correlated with age. Older children had been growing for longer (so had larger feet) and had been reading for longer (so had a higher reading age).

      Any half-competent statistician would obviously spot this, but many of these 'x is correlated with y' stories have a correlation no more valid than this, but are presented as 'x causes y'.

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  6. An Escape by crow_t_robot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gaming, like alcohol and drugs is an escape. It's an escape from reality that is regularly used by people with mental problems. I don't have any evidence but I am hard-pressed to believe that games cause this condition.

    1. Re:An Escape by ewhenn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that, it's a popular thing to do. *Lots* of people play video games. It's as ubiquitous as watching a movie or talking on the telephone. Just by raw numbers alone, some of the people that play them might have a mental condition, it doesn't mean it's the games fault. All it means is popular activities are popular.

    2. Re:An Escape by Creepy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you missed country music.

      Joking aside, video games are a pariah, and the main reason they are targeted is because of the interactive nature of them. But if you read page 22 of this you will find that books and movies are MORE influential than video games. And what is the #1 behavior? Self published violent writings, which Jared L Loughner did in spades.

  7. And he drank milk by Goboxer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously though, I bet if you did a study on the number of men under 25 you would find that 90% play video games or have played video games (aka, what they call a gamer). It would be like saying that the gunman didn't like doing chores or had at some point attended a concert.

  8. Re:About time... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am sure Sarah Palin, YOUR new President, is behind this study.

    It appears she's behind in most of her studies.

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  9. Speaking of influences on Jared Loughner by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of his two favorite authors was Nietzsche. His friends described him as a thoroughly nihilistic individual. Seems Nietzsche, not video games, had a truly profound impact on him.

    Yet just the other day, I had a liberal coworker stridently tell me it was that eeeeeeevil Sarah Palin that made him do it. When I pointed out the Nietzsche issue, and the fact that he didn't listen to any right wing rhetoric, didn't matter. Heck, she didn't even know who Nietzsche was... but that didn't stop her, like a lot of liberals, from blaming this on Sarah Palin and some cliche political map.

  10. Actually, you illustrate an even bigger problem by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it seems to me you illustrate an even bigger problem.

    The way I remember it, a correlation in statistics (as opposed to the usual "I have a couple of anecdotes and watch me leap to a conclusion") involve looking at the covariance of two variables vs their normal distribution for _both_ variables. Even in binary terms, you'd have to look at the set of people who, say, do bad in school, people who play games, and the intersection. Though a more useful correlation would look at something like SAT grades vs hours played, or some such.

    And even then, you know, actual measured variables than someone's self-assessment. See for example Dunning Krueger for one problem with self-assessments.

    Basically you don't have to look at just how many people skipped school for gaming, but basically at whether you're seeing more than the product of two unrelated probabilities. The relevant question is, basically, are people who play video games more likely to skip school than those who don't?

    What I'm getting at is that asking "have you ever skipped school to play a game?" without also asking "have you ever skipped school?" is pretty worthless. A questionnaire like yours which asks, or _also_ asks, about the distribution of that variable without the conditional, would actually be a better exercise.

    IOW, asking just "have you ever skipped school to play a game?" will produce a semblance of a correlation just because there is no way to say, "does it count if I skipped school to smoke behind the school instead?" It's like asking "have you ever masturbated in the bathroom?" and concluding that bathrooms cause masturbation. It's not a real covariance if they're together simply because the question is phrased to only allow a "yes" if they appear together.

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  11. Re:Unfortunately studies aren't objective. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, and yes. However, what I don't see is anyone paying for such a study in the first place.

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