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NASA Seeks Ham Operators' Help To Test NanoSail-D

SEWilco writes "Despite our older headline, NanoSail-D was not 'Lost in space.' It was stuck in its canister. The solar sail nano-satellite finally ejected on Wednesday. The three-day countdown to sail deployment began then, so we'll have to see what happens next." And clm1970 adds "In another conventional use for an arguably unconventional hobby given the technology of 2011, NASA is requesting the help of Amateur Radio or 'ham operators' to help listen to a beacon signal of the nano-satellite. Many say the hobby is dying, but for every 'death knell,' it seems another application brings it back to life to prove its usefulness."

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  1. Ham Radio is dying about as fast as by jra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Usenet.

    Which, by the way, *still* isn't dead, thank-you-very-much smb and tomt.

    The Eternal September, BTW, finally ended.

    1. Re:Ham Radio is dying about as fast as by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      4chan is really more of an eternal April 1st.

  2. Ost in space! by 3vi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> was not 'ost in space'.

    However, the 'L' from the original submission was.

    1. Re:Ost in space! by msauve · · Score: 2

      Oh noes! What the "L?"

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  3. Ham operators are VERY important by assemblerex · · Score: 2, Informative

    When shit hits the fan, ham radio is there to keep basic communications open.
    It is possible to connect ham radio to a phone line and get someone in the disaster area
    connected to a phone line to a president or similar, regardless of how bad the infrastructure is hit,
    It will work. All these guys with ham gear are crucial, more than we can imagine.
    For the billions we waste on crap we never use, like flying humvee prototypes, we could afford to
    subsidize these guys a bit. Even a $500 homeland security rebate would keep (in the us) ham
    radio alive and kicking for years.

    1. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by assemblerex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hate to reply my own topic but the link didn't post for some reason.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqaKzIkyBug ham radio from Haiti earthquake
      after the disaster.

    2. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by nomadic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The infrastructure is getting more and more robust though in terms of (unintentional) redundancy. Phone lines, wireless, fiber optic, cable, satellite; not to mention military and emergency services own communications systems.

    3. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by FudRucker · · Score: 2

      all that infrastructure will become useless during a power failure, thats when HF/VHF/UHF radio all running on battery packs come in handy. (and solar & wind powered battery chargers is a good idea too) and even an old fashioned dynamo hand crank wont hurt either.

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    4. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I heard someone said during the San Bruno, CA, gas pipeline explosion Red Cross was looking for some amateur radio operators to help with the disaster, but couldn't find any.

      Red Cross shot themselves in the foot metaphoriclly speaking a few years ago with their ham friends by pushing through a criminal background check for all volunteers, including radio ops. A LOT of ham ops don't want to have anything to do with background checks, and those that do get sucked up by the governmental agencies that do ES.

      I think they've withdrawn this requirement, but even so the bad karma they generated will stay with them for a long time. I haven't kept up with the situation since the local chapter got reorganized into a multi-county group that doesn't have any offices in our county anymore. They used to be a served agency for our ARES group, but when they left the area we stopped helping them.

      And you don't need to spend billions, just need to draw in citizens willing to help their fellow citizens when disaster strikes.

      "Fellow citizens", without training, might be able to figure out how to deal with an FRS radio, but God please don't plonk them down on a real radio where people need to know what they are doing. It will be bad enough all the untrained hams coming out of the woodwork when the balloon goes up, people who have no clue about radio will be useless -- for radio work.

    5. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Interesting
      all that infrastructure will become useless during a power failure, thats when HF/VHF/UHF radio all running on battery packs come in handy.

      Bingo.

      For example, my county and our neighbor are busy designing a trunked 700MHz system to cover all the government users within the two counties. This system will require more than a dozen repeater sites to get anything close to the coverage they need, PLUS a handful of old VHF systems to fill in a few of the important empty spots. All of this is linked through a network connection to a city 40 miles away in another county.

      Cut through the fiber running next to the interstate -- POOF, all repeaters revert to standalone mode. No links. You wanna talk from the hinterlands back to the city? Good luck. Ditto if someone just accidentally pulls the plug on the controller in that distant city. (They probably do have someone who vacuums the rugs on a regular basis...)

      In an earthquake, the towers fall over, or the antennas fall down. Those are on mountain tops. How fast do you think the commercial radio service people will get to all of them? OTOH, if the road is open I can drive to the top of the local mountain and repair whatever is up there myself. Or half a dozen people in this county can do it. Legally.

      In a couple of years "safe haven" rules kick in. That means that all of those repeaters the two counties put up will have strict, reduced power limits and thus limited coverage. My repeaters have no such limits, and the main one on the mountain top is not even close to full power right now. I can fix one repeater and have coverage over the entire county -- unlike even the existing LMR VHF system in use.

      What the OP is probably missing is that ham radio is picking up a lot of the "emergency services own communications systems" business, and a lot of government agencies are betting the retirement fund on hams being there.

    6. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by DarthBart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And it also works when every cell site and PSTN trunk is tied up because Bob is calling Alice to make sure that they're okay after the hurricane/explosion/terrorist act/peanut butter sandwich incident.

    7. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Cell phones will still work

      If you can get a free line because everyone is calling everybody else. And if the tower's UPS system works. And if the backhaul is still up. And if the techs are around. And. And. And. Cell phones tend to be the least robust communications device in the event of a major, prolonged problem.

      businesses generally have emergency backup power, as do hospitals, firehouses, police departments,

      Which might keep the lights on at Acme, Inc, but doesn't help comm links a whole lot. Hospitals and firehouses likewise.

      and the military.

      | Not everyone has a military base anywhere near by.

      Even a majority of adult Americans have access to a gas-powered generator in the form of their cars.

      So they can power their iPods? What are they going to do with 12 V coming out of the cigarette lighter? Run their freezer?

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    8. Re:Ham operators are VERY important by nomadic · · Score: 2

      So we're to rely on electric-powered ham radios instead, across a finite number of channels? Ham radios can provide a useful service, but the messianic complex some of their proponents adopt is obnoxious.

  4. I know it's usually thought of as old, but... by Gazoogleheimer · · Score: 5, Informative

    As an amateur radio operator (biased, I know, and not just my plate voltage)....I know it's usually regarded as an 'old' hobby that is 'dying'. The humor in this, of course, is that it's a gadget-obsessed hobby with increasingly high-tech equipment and significant quantities of programming and research regarding digital transmission modes and DSP, not to mention software-defined radio and other sorts of things. It's a geeky hobby, yes, but this is Slashdot. "arguably unconventional hobby given the technology of 2011" seems both uninformed and, admittedly, a bit silly regarding where it's being said.

    1. Re:I know it's usually thought of as old, but... by Pezbian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It wouldn't be a dying hobby if people stuck with it. It seems all I met, aside from guys my own age, were the kind of seasoned veteran ham (more like outdated men using outdated technology to solve outdated problems whilst nursing among them the collective delusion that they're somehow elite) who answer you like this:

      Q: "I'm looking to get into radio and I want a good dual-band handheld. What would you recommend?"
      A: "HTs won't get you far. You should get a Heathkit tube-driven HF screamer you have to crank-start and take an oscilloscope to and resurrect every week. Ah, memories..."

      Q: "I want to put an antenna on my roof. A good 2M omni. What would you recommend?"
      A: "Can't talk to Burkina Faso on 2M. What you need is a 100ft Rohn tower in your yard and a few hundred feet of eyesore wire strung between the tower in your yard and the towers you install in two neighbors' yards. Ah, memories..."

      Q: "I want a solid VHF/UHF mobile rig for my offroad truck. What would you recommend?"
      A: "Military all the way... like back in the war. (flashback omitted) Get yourself a Chevy Pedovan *young Ham is heard choking, a guffaw of laughter and a gasp of shock having become lodged in his windpipe*, twenty foot vertical whip, screaming tube amp, four more alternators to power it. Ah, memories..."
      Q: "Why not just a good IC-706MkII and one of those active antenna tuners and maybe a deep cycle battery like the only other 20-something guy in the club?"
      A: "Damn kids don't listen! It's kids like you who got the morse code requirement taken away! It was a punkass kid filter, dammit! Is nothing sacred?!" he shrieked, swollen catheter bag swaying rhythmically--perfectly acceptable as he blends right in.

      Q: "Wow! It's amazing how much power solid state amplifiers can crank out for their small size and efficiency. Less prone to earthquake damage than tubes, wouldn't you say?"
      A: "Transistor heresy won't survive a nuclear blast! You're one EMP from that newfangled toy being a useless brick! Who'll be laughing then, eh? They called us fools! We will have our vindication!"
      Q: "Nuclear? It's been over 60 years since Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the Cold War ended forever ago. Why make your gear revolve around something so unlikely?"
      A: "Because I don't want all my work to be for nothing and want to finally shriek 'I told you so!' to the cockroaches who survive! *presses mysterious red button, sixy miles away a city is vaporized... and then the hallucination ends as the creepy ham has had yet another heart attack and the paramedics alerted via young Ham's cellphone are saving his life... again*

      Traded my radio for a TV and took up video gaming. Women who are close friends synchronize their menstrual cycles. I felt my blood pressure and tin-foil-hat-ness synchronizing with those of my Ham peers after just one meeting.

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    2. Re:I know it's usually thought of as old, but... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2

      Tubes may rule, but they won't last long run like that.

      You peak the GRID, and dip the PLATE.

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    3. Re:I know it's usually thought of as old, but... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2

      Tubes are still the best way to generate great gobs of RF power from simple circuitry with low component count. This is why they still find application in applications including broadcast transmitters (radio and TV), induction and dielectric heaters, MRI and CT scanners, and microwave ovens.

      No, they aren't much on portability, but in some ways tubes are superior to solid state under emergency conditions. A transmitter with a tube final stage will happily work into a less than optimally tuned antenna (high VSWR), that would cause a solid state broadband amp to shut down or destroy itself. Tubes are also resistant to ESD (and EMP). Back during the first Gulf War, the US military had all kinds of problems with the front end circuitry in radio sets being destroyed by static charges developed on the antenna during sandstorms. They ended up recommissioning old tube type receivers (R-390A/URR), which held up just fine.

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  5. just for posterity by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Q: whats the frequency kenneth?

    A: The NanoSail-D beacon signal can be found at 437.270 MHz.

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  6. Emcomm is the cancer that is killing amateur radio by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole problem is that the ARRL and to a lesser extent the RSGB are pushing the whole emcomm thing above all else - so you end up with idiots in high-vis jackets getting in the way of the emergency services as they wave their obsolete ex-PMR radios around trying to look important. These twats haven't got a clue how any of their radios work, or how to build an aerial, or what's actually inside an ATU. They just buy shiny boxes from suppliers and sit and talk into them. There's no self-training, there's no experimenting, there's no development - and woe betide anyone who happens to want to use the same 1MHz chunk of band as them, when they fire up one of their "exercises".

    Be part of the chemo that is curing amateur radio. Friends don't let friends do emcomm. Get involved with projects like this satellite, and any time you see someone with a high-vis jacket who isn't digging a hole in the road slap them about the head with a Tait Orca reprogrammed for Raynet frequencies.

    73s de MM0YEQ

  7. Beacons have been received by Jon_Hanson · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/smallsats/nanosaild.html the beacons they asked amateur radio operators to listen for have been received and the satellite appears to be operating normally.

  8. Re:Emcomm is the cancer that is killing amateur ra by Achra · · Score: 2

    Parts of this are very insightful.. As a new ham (and a real one, I should add... My first HF rig was a Swan 500 that was broken when it was given to me... It does 400w on 40m now, enough to blow the doors off those riceboxes).. I've really noticed that there are two camps in ham radio. The "hams" and the "operators". There seem to be a great many "operators" that want to know nothing about experimenting, aren't interested in opening their radio up to tinker with it (It's so expensive, I don't want to break it!).. If everything doesn't come out of the cardboard box working exactly as expected, they review it as 'crap' and return it. Real hams know that nothing works right to begin with, and sets about to making it work for _him_. I have a friend who is very solidly an operator, and is often 'bored' with ham radio. I think that emcomm is something that operators do to keep from being bored, so that they have 'something interesting' to do with those shiny ricebox 2m/440 radios & HT's. As a later poster stated, at least they are using the frequencies, so more power to them.

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  9. Re:Flight Path? Timeline? Ground Plot? Sky Chart? by Slyder · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://nanosaild.engr.scu.edu/dashboard.htm has the current position and flight path.