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Terrorists Bomb Moscow Airport
jayme0227 writes "Terrorists detonated a bomb at Moscow's busiest airport on Monday, killing 35 people and wounding another 152, Russian authorities said. President Dmitry Medvedev, who called the bombing a terrorist attack, ordered additional security at Moscow's other airports and transportation hubs, and Moscow police went on high alert in case of additional bombs."
According to the NY Times, "The airport remained open on Monday evening, and passengers continued to flow through the hall where the bomb had exploded."
Here we'd have closed the airport for days to make it look like we were doing something. There, they just pick up the pieces and move on. Guess who's not going to still be running things in twenty years?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Sacrificing civil liberties does not prevent terrorism.
Just think about this next time you're queued up forever in the security theater line waiting to get your junk touched. It seems like the ideal place to attack an airport and get lots of casualties.
"The airport remained open on Monday evening, and passengers continued to flow through the hall where the bomb had exploded."
Good to see the terrorists haven't won everywhere...
Clearly, it is time to move the security checkpoint out into the parking lot.
Then they should have the bomb sniffing dogs sniffing you. Much less invasive and will ACTUALLY find any bomb residue/traces.
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The last time Russia was fighting for its territorial integrity 24 million Russians died. The terrorists have severely underestimated what it takes to frighten the Russian leadership into making concessions. You see, as long as all the terrorists die, the Russians don't really care. If you look at the Beslan massacre or the Moscow Theatre Seige, there was very little concern for the hostages, many of whom died during the raids by the security forces. It seems the main thing the government accomplished in both of the raids was killing all the terrorists and minimal casualties to security forces. It's probably modeled after things like Stalin's decision to not evacuate Stalingrad when the Nazis invaded.
It's not surprising that these idiots were able to bomb the place. Whilst there's always a guy at the door with a metal detector / baggage scanning machine when you walk in everyone just walks right through so you're not actually being scanned unless they specifically stop you (never happens unless they *really* don't like they way you look. Now of course that will change for a while... but Russia is such a big place with so many landmarks that can be targeted that there's no way to stop some lunatics from blowing themselves up in public and killing people if they're really keen on it.
The one difference worth noting is that in Russia/Israel/India etc... they just get back to work, in USA they would've created some 500 million $ memorial and immortalized the event for at least a decade.
I think the point was that condemning an entire religion for the actions of a few is, well, stupid. Be it Christian fundamentalist murderers, Islamic fundamentalist murderers, cow rapers, or fungal mutant centrists.
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All religion is tainted. The foundation of modern Christianity was forged in the inquisition and before that in the crimes of the Hebrew. No religion can be just when it is founded on oppression, rape, murder, slavery and genocide. I know this because I have lived in a "good christian home" and saw violence and depravity that few can imagine. I know this because I read my bible, every chapter, every verse, every word. Then I studied other religions and found them as filled with vile filth as my own. A good man can not found his morality on so corrupt and decayed a foundation as that.
Point taken.
Maybe this would be better: I'm sure all Christians are like the Irish Republican Army, the Lord's Resistance Army, the National Liberation Front of Tripura, the Russian National Unity, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Hutaree.
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But somehow I got redirected to the daily beast.
I think that this demonstrates how utterly pointless most of airport security we've implemented truly is now that terrorists have shown that they're completely willing to blow themselves up and kill hundreds of people before getting on the plane. Why go to all the hard work of actually getting on a plane when there's plenty of people queued up at a security checkpoint that you can easily kill and cause just as much panic and terror?
There's no easy way to prevent this, unless the security checkpoint is at the front door, in which case you still have a large queue of people, even more miserable and pissed off that they have to stand inline outside. Even if they made people strip naked, it still wouldn't stop the first clever terrorist to shove the bomb up his ass.
... Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for this? Yes, I went there.
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Terrorist attacks are horrible.
I've personally been in areas in Israel where massive bombs exploded killing and maiming dozens of people, weeks before the incident. It's a fact of life.
There are bomb scares every day in Israel. Woops. Grandpa left his grocery bag unattended next to an ATM. Area is closed off.
You can see people waiting impatiently, tapping their feet with a "come on get on with it" look at the bomb sapper in full gear is tippy toeing to the bag (abandoned grocery bag),
detonating it in minutes. Once the all clear is rang out, as the bomb sapper is nervously taking his bomb proof helmet off, sitting on sidewalk, slowly pulling out a cigarette, people are practically pushing and shoving next to him,
right next to where the "bomb" was, queuing to use the ATM.
I saw this scenario happening a few times.
People get on with their lives.
security theatre is dangerous, and only common sense, intelligence, and self-policing will work.
Make sure you design public spaces with heightened terrorist attack value (e.g. airport) well designed to lower casualty count.
Much less invasive and will ACTUALLY find any bomb residue/traces
Right, because ONLY Terrorists(TM) have any traces of explosives on them, and not any of the mining engineers, chemists, etc, etc, etc, who happen to be passing through the airport!
Seriously: I've worked for a couple of mining and geological exploration companies and to here them tell it all these "anti-terrorist" measures do nothing but make their lives less convenient.
If I were a Terrorist(TM) I'd get a job with a mining company, get a letter from my employer certifying that I handle explosives, and then blow something up. These measures are so easy to circumvent they are hardly worth mentioning.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
There are lots of ethnic issues around the world. Why is it that every time some crazy fucker blows up himself and a whole bunch of innocent people he turns out to be a Muslim. Coincidence?
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
I know this because I have lived in a "good christian home" and saw violence and depravity that few can imagine
If few can even imagine the "violence and depravity" you witnessed at home, and Christianity is one of the world's major religions, it stands to reason that perhaps by any definition of Christianity that you didn't actually live in a "good Christian home". Also I don't know what version of the bible you're reading "every chapter, every verse, and every word" of but if it has anything about the Spanish Inquisition being the foundation of Christianity then you should probably buy a new one.
More precisely its a conflict between Russia and separatists in an area that Russia has long tried (sometimes occasionally) to occupy. That the separatists happen to be largely Muslim is inconsequential. educate yourself.
I was a combat engineer in the Army. Trust me, you don't want to have ANY residue on you if your going anywhere near a federal building/airport.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
First of all I would like to express my condolences to all the victims of this senseless act of brutality. Second, I would like to express my respect for the mature manner in which the Russians handled this. I've always said regarding the US that we have reached maturity as a society only when someone can commit an atrocity and no laws or procedures need to change as a result. Terrorism is all about getting a reaction; if you react to the terrorists, then the terrorist have won.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Hopefully, Russia took out Jerusalem and we'll have World Peace.
They would fight over the ruins.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
I understand that. However realistically he most likely still holds more sway in the country than Medvedev does out of sheer popularity. I stated that I wish he were our president because I feel someone who actually has had to work in the seedy underbelly of intelligence gathering as well as served faithfully in the military may actually make a far better president in the USA than a bunch of overprivilaged, pampered frat-boys.
Soviet Union was the main supporter
what kind of bullshit is this ? i am living in one of the countries usa/nato has used islam as a control tool to prevent encroachment of 'reds'. we are still paying the price for that 'security' policy today.
dont sell bullshit.
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There are over a billion Muslims in the world. There is a 1/6 chance of any randomly selected person being Muslim. Last I checked, Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kozinski were not Muslim. I had Christians, Muslims, and Jews at my wedding... we got along then, and 10 years later we are still getting along!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
This is an ethnic issue between Russia and North Caucasus.
It was an ethnic issue back in 1994-1996, during the First Chechen War. It stopped being an ethnic issue in 1999, when "mujahideen" from the then de-facto independent Chechnya invaded the neighboring Dagestan, proclaiming the long-term goal of driving the "kaffir" out of Caucasus and establishing a unified Islamic state there.
Civil rights cannot be "sacrificed" or bargained with in any manner. The very notion smacks of tyranny, and fosters a conformist ideology where it is expected that governments cherry-pick the civil rights they "allow" for "their" people.
But I never sacrificed anything after 9/11 -- did you? Of course not. I don't know anybody that did. What actually happened is that your civil rights were stolen. from you. Denied. Oppressed. Attacked. You and I didn't have a say in it at all, and neither did the pawns who cheered it on. There was no "sacrifice" in any of this, only the elite at the top of the pyramid playing god with powers that no mortal man is worthy of.
Let's call a spade a spade: civil rights are either honored or oppressed. There is no picking and choosing.
It seems that we waited a while, and now the Muslims are burning and torturing people while the Christians are building hospitals and developing technology.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols didn't blow themselves up.
Why do you link to an article about the First Chechen War, which happened in mid-90s? A lot of things happened since then - for example, a second war which began after religious faction in Chechen rebel government (people such as Shamil Basaev, Doka Umarov, and amir Khattab) got the upper hand in the little infighting that they had after Dudaev's death - the war which began as a jihad to "liberate" Muslim territories outside of Chechnya.
I don't see how this relates at all to the topic I was addressing but I'd agree with the money issue. I've never seen a church that required you to pay anything though unless you want to use their building for a wedding or something, which seems rather understandable to me. Unless we're going to consider asking for donations to be the definition of corrupt now and lump that child cancer hospital that asks for donations at the movie theater into the corrupt category.
I don't understand why having principals and guides about how children should be raised would make a faith corrupt. We're talking about a way of life here, and your claiming that no way of life should guide someone in how to deal with the biggest part of most people's lives? That just doesn't make any sense.
If you have easy access to explosives, you probably SHOULD be inspected more closely, don't you think?
Household products are sufficient, so who does not have easy access?
No, it's not a coincidence. It's also not very useful.
You need to examine the distinction between "Statistical Significance" and "Practical Importance".
For example, suppose the difference in IQ scores between people in two cities is 1/2 point. The studies can be extremely accurate and the results can be correct to a strong degree of statistical significance, but the overall result is of no practical importance.
Similar with Muslim extremists. Try to assign a probability (high or low) to each of the following:
Probability that someone is a Muslim, given that they are terrorist.
Probability that someone is a terrorist, given that they are Muslim.
There are about 8,500 people on the U.S. "no fly" list, and about 1.5 billion followers of Islam. If *all* terrorists are Muslims, you still have to sort through 175,000 profiled people to find one terrorist.
This is not a piece of data which is useful in and of itself from which to draw conclusions or make policy.
You don't have to be afraid of your neighbors, even if they are are from Pakistan.
Yes, all separatists use suicide bombers, regardless of their religion. Like in Quebec or Slovakia, for instance. Oh wait...
Russia recently developed the largest fuel-air explosive yet deployed. They should erase an enemy city in reprisal for every attack.
It's a bit tricky when all cities in Chechnya are officially fully under control of the federal government - so what, bomb your own citizens on your own territory?
In fact, there's no war there at all. Just some local police operations against small bands of desperate terrorists. Or so the Russian TV tells me.
That the separatists happen to be largely Muslim is inconsequential.
But as a consequence of the separatists being Muslim, their cause is taken up by supporters of global jihad throughout the Muslim world. Just like fighters in Kashmir and Palestine, they receive support from abroad solely due to their religion and the religion of their opponents.
How can you not call that a consequence?? Do you even know what "inconsequential" means?
There is no "Islamic Terror".
There are deep intelligence operations. These are funded by Mossad, CIA, Pakistan's ISI, etc.
A complete investigation of David Headley - for just one example - would give you some idea of the nature of para-political, deep-state actors in perpetrating terror for their own ends, and the usefulness of the "Islamic" fiction.
If you think that you are capable of correctly evaluating the the real nature of these events, based on the unexamined and uninvestigated statements of official sources? Then you do not correctly ascertain the meaning or implications of the term "disinformation".
Ask yourself this: "Does my government maintain a policy of disinformation, regarding its own people? If so, how would I know? Is the reporting of independent, corporate news agencies a sufficient source of information to verify or validate these claims?"
http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
http://danwismar.com/uploads/Bernstein%20-%20CIA%20and%20Media.htm
I suggest you take up mindfulness meditation for 5-15 minutes a day. Wen yourself from all "news" for one month. Then come back, and look freshly at the spinning matrix of lies.
You have a UID of 137, and you've posted the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet.
Your argument is "You can't trust the government! You can't trust the media! Trust me and my hyperlinks! Also, meditate!".
There are over a billion Muslims in the world. There is a 1/6 chance of any randomly selected person being Muslim.
If only 1 out of 6 suicide bombers were Muslim you would have a pretty good argument right there. Maybe you're not proving what you think you're proving.
I had Christians, Muslims, and Jews at my wedding... we got along then, and 10 years later we are still getting along!
That's nice, but were your wedding guests randomly selected from the entire world? No? Then what is your point? That your own close circle of friends has different dynamics than the societal thrusts of populations numbering in the hundreds of millions and billions spread across the entire globe?? Wow, I never would have guessed that.
The "crazy fucker" who shot
Gabrielle Giffords strangely, wasn't Muslim.
(cough)
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Buddhism is not a religion, but thanks for playing all the same.
Said like a man of true ignorance.
Except that Buddhism is NOT a religion. It's a school of thought. It focuses on peace, harmony, etc. The fact the people practice it as if it were a religion, or tack on their own supernatural back story (which flies in the face of the actual teachings) is irrelevant.
How about actually trying to study Buddhism?
Buddhist concepts like karma, which differs from Hindi karma, are purely religion.
Then there's reincarnation which is also part of Buddhism.
To call Buddhism something other then a religion is an argument purely from ignorance.
The goal of religious terrorism is never to get people to convert. In fact, terrorism is by its very nature political. In the case of Chechnya, the issue is not so much religion as it is government. The issue is that ethnic Chechens feel the region should be autonomous. They just happen to be predominately Muslim. Now, there are plenty of radical Chechens out there and are fighting aver religion, but most of those don't operate in Russia, they went to Afghanistan or Iraq.
Now, Islamic terrorism generally is about control. A group wants to control whatever area, state, or region they are in, so they try to undermine the government. One if the ways a government is undermined is by showing that the government cannot provide the security necessary to a society(I have always found it interesting that the very group that causes the insecurity actually reaps the political benefits of it). Once a government cannot provide for security or other basic necessities of society the political wing of the terrorist group will step in. Once the terrorist group gains control, then religion will begin to play a part, as these groups generally tend to adhere to rather strict forms of Islam(in fact the perceived moderation of a government can often lead to the rise of these groups). The controlling group will impose their own interpretation of Islam, and those who do not wish to adhere to that will leave, be driven out, or possibly killed. Eventually, assuming the group stays in power, their religious views would spread along with their territory. So, for Islamic terrorists, conversion comes at the end of their time line, if it comes at all. The best proof that religion is not a true concern is that the overwhelming majority of the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks have themselves been Muslim. Religion itself is not a motivation(at least, not for the leaders. It may be for whichever misled underling blows himself up, but not for the group as a whole); it is the path through which these groups can attain their real motivation:power.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Yes, besides, if you do criticize Islam, they will kill you. Well, call for your death.. if they don't succeed, the first isn't necessarily not true, just not succesful.
Slaughtering innocent people who are just trying to get from point A to point B won't further your aims, won't garner any sympathy, and certainly won't win you the hearts and minds of the rest of the world. You aren't freedom fighters, heroes, or martyrs, you're just assholes killing innocent people.
Just so you know, Chechen is not a religion like Islam/Muslim is.
..the fact remains that most of the time that somebody blows themselves up, intent on taking others with them, it is someone from an Islamic background.
The Chechen people are primarily Islamic in faith.
I know that you didnt really want to support the point of the person you were replying to, but thats exactly what you did.
Now I don't know if its the religion itself, the economic conditions that are primarily experienced by those of the religion, the political situations in the regions of its popularity, or what...
One might argue that this fact is evidence that the other religions and their respective political blocks have so thoroughly long-term-fucked these people over that this sort of thing just plain makes more sense to them than it does to others.
Now what I truly believe is that poverty is at the core of all this shit, that if you remove wide-spread poverty from the equation then you end up with a different sort of problem. People rioting instead of people blowing themselves up.
"His name was James Damore."
You can get a much higher body count if you don't have to make it out alive yourself. So yes, it's much better when terrorists constrain themselves to using methods that allow themselves to walk away alive.
For example, if someone illegally parks a big suspicious truck right against a building and runs off, you have a chance to clear the area while the time bomb is ticking. But if he doesn't care about surviving, he just plows the thing straight into the building, no warning, and gets a more destructive detonation.
Yeah, I'll go with the non-self-sacrificial terrorists.
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
Why? Because Dagestan was predominantly Muslim and the first militia formations opposing Chechens in Dagestan during the first days of war was Muslim as well.
Various Dagestan ethnicities are, traditionally, Sufi Muslims. On the other hand, the folk who invaded in '99 were hardcore Salafi fundamentalists who regard most Sufi practices - especially the institute of murshids, and Sufi ritualized dhikr - as shirk, and see it as their religious duty to stamp it out (and they did try to do so in captured areas of Dagestan). So religion still makes a difference there.
The same division exists within Chechnya, by the way. Chechen nationalist party - represented in past by Dudaev and Maskhadov - are mostly traditionalist in aspects of religion, and so are Sufi (though Dudaev wasn't even particularly religious in general). The Islamist party, with a nucleus formed of foreign "mujahideen" and young new converts such as Sayyid Buratsky - are Salafi. The latter party prevailed, which is why the war in '99 even happened. The latter party is also the one that unilaterally disbanded Chechen government-in-exile and proclaimed "Caucasian Emirate".
Contrary to popular Slashdot lore, low UIDs do not necessarily correlate with increased intelligence.
They might start correlating with increased dementia...