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Third of Content On Popular BT Portals Are Fake

siliconbits writes "A study published by a group of researchers, most of them based in Europe, analysed the publishers of content on two major BitTorrent portals, Pirate Bay and MiniNova, and found out that almost a third of all files on the two sites were fake."

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  1. Same ratio as /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Same ratio /. has for how many stories are real.

    1. Re:Same ratio as /. by HermMunster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe the Pirate Bay site has "flags" for trusted content and respected uploaders. Does it not?

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    2. Re:Same ratio as /. by Firkragg14 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ive seen this news story a few times today on different sites and im as baffled as you. If im downling from somewhere like piratebay i tend to just sort by seeds and see which is popular then read the comments. Just because theres no automated way to weed out the fakes doesnt mean its impossible to find what your after since the crowd sourcing approach means that the best options tend to float to the top.

    3. Re:Same ratio as /. by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They can, of course. But from what I've seen on, say, ISO Hunt, real torrents usually don't have any comments at all, while fake ones get negative comments. So unless the fakers can delete existing comments, they're pretty reliable.

    4. Re:Same ratio as /. by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe the Pirate Bay site has "flags" for trusted content and respected uploaders. Does it not?

      Of course, other trackers have them also. And checking the number of seeders/leechers helps, too. As well as having a quick look on the comments to see if someone reported nasty stuff.

      What?

      Are you saying the copy of "Matrix 4 Leaked - DVDRip", with 1 seeder, 6 negative votes, a comment saying "This is a VIRUS - don't download", a file size of 30MB, a file listing with a single .exe file... that this isn't legit?

      I don't believe it, but I guess I'll find out after I download and EXECUTE the video file myself... now good day sir!

  2. I suggest by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering that I have not once downloaded a fake on TBP in the past 10 years or so that I have been using it, I think that either the "researcher" is fiddling with the numbers or has no idea how to download something.

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    1. Re:I suggest by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you got a bot on your machine and you don't know it.

      I saw an interesting talk on security/malware once. It had some screenshots of one of the top downloads from TPB (a Photoshop keygen or something). There were hundreds of comments saying it was clean, that the uploader was trusted etc. At time of release no virus scanners flagged it. In fact it uploaded all the passwords it could find on your computer to a machine in China and then generated a Photoshop key.

      I walked away from that talk with the powerful impression that if you trust crap you get off piracy sites, you're asking to be owned.

    2. Re:I suggest by localman57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't have to be there long... only as long as it takes to type in a password or credit card number. My advice is to use multiple VMs, running linux. One for your naughty activities, and one for your trusted activities. Only use the trusted VM to do banking or personal information related stuff, only accessing trusted sites. And, as you say, wipe it periodically, potentially as often as every use.

    3. Re:I suggest by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At some point isn't it easier to just buy the software?

  3. The point.. by minorproblem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the biggest benefits of torrents is that the fake crap gets weeded out quickly and the real torrents rise to the top with a high number of seeders. So it doesn't matter if its fake because it dies off quicker, than normal as people stop uploading it.

    1. Re:The point.. by Covalent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. If you sort by seeders, you probably get something more like 1% "fake". But if you just randomly download material, it's probably higher (though 50% seems high, even for random downloading.)

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  4. So I get sued for downloading a fake file can I be by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So I get sued for downloading / uploading a fake file can I beat it based on that they are calming that I downloading / uploading the real file?

    Is this like that professor sued for haveing a mp3 file in name only?

  5. Don't have a problem by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ultimately I don't have a problem with leaking fakes, so long as you're not intentionally trying to distribute viruses or anything like that.

    Apparently Batman: Arkham Asylum had a leaked version that was basically a demo. There was a level you couldn't get past because of an intentionally crippled feature. When people were screaming and complaining about a "bug" in the product they purchased on the support forums, they were informed that "bug" was only present in an intentionally leaked version on torrent sites. They knew people were going to pirate their game, and they tried to get in front of it and turn it into a scenario where the pirated copy did act as a demo, perhaps convincing people to pay for the real thing.

    But the bigger issue is that game studios, music companies and Hollywood still haven't seen the bigger picture.

    It is to your benefit to pirate rather than deal with DRM nightmares. And corporate America is more focused on punishing their customers than trying to attract new ones.

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    1. Re:Don't have a problem by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find it amusing people go to official channels for support for their pirated products.

    2. Re:Don't have a problem by WeatherServo9 · · Score: 3, Funny

      when it gets to the "good part" suddenly cut off the audio and/or video?

      Ah, so most movies play all the way through with no problems then!

  6. Not just bittorrent - alt.binaries too by jaymz2k4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've become so used to the alt.binaries being polluted with either passworded inner-rars or corrupt/scrambled files that I'm now used to just grabbing the first couple of rar's and extracting them just to make sure. I'm not too surprised to hear this. What does surprise me a little is the amount of people that continue seeding this crap on BT. Do they not open the damn files as they come down? If only for a cursory glance to confirm.

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    1. Re:Not just bittorrent - alt.binaries too by ErikZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The great thing about pirating movies is that you're not subjected to forced commercials, FBI warnings, and other things that the producers decided.

      Find movie file, play. Done.

      It would be great if disk-based movies were this easy.

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  7. I sincerly hope by Haedrian · · Score: 4, Informative

    That this research didn't involve taking a random sample, and working out that 1/3rd is fake.

    The strength of Bittorrent is that if there are:

    1. Low seeds
    2. Bad comments

    Then its fake.

    If you have a file with a few thousand seeders, then you can be sure that its real. Nobody is going to continue to seed a fake/virus ridden file unless its on purpose - but that requires a ton of resources.

    And most admins will take down any files reported in that manner.

  8. Ironically... by Damek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ironically, it's the two-thirds of US users without fast broadband who are responsible for supplying the two-thirds non-fake content. It's a tough job...

  9. That's actually a question I've had by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can understand someone creating spam pages for popular search terms but I've never understood quite how they manage to come up with really obscure shit, like if I type in "three inch frange demodulator" and there's the first hit proudly declaring "Internet's leader for three inch frange demodulators!" I just made that term up two seconds ago. How do they get that cached into google? A few years back they were doing that with porn text and it would be "'Harder!' she cried, and I thrust my three inch frange demodulator deep inside." I have two questions: how did they do that and is it even doing anything useful for them? Surely they couldn't generate real ad revenue off of banner cruft on that sort of page, right?

    I'm not sure of the utility of the torrent spams, either. I know never to download video files that are compressed archives because it's just going to be a scam to get you to sign up for something or pay to get the password but those are few and far between. Pirate Bay and kickasstorrents are usually pretty good. It's the other oddball sites that don't even have the damn file you're looking for but give you a dozen "sponsored links" that pretend like they do and don't. Do they live off of money made from drive-by malware?

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  10. Re:hmm by oracleguy01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've never gotten a fake or malware-infected file; oh wait, I actually pay for the software, music, and movies that I want to watch. Maybe that's why.

    While you have a point, as history has proven, buying legit doesn't always protect you from malware. And haven't there been cases where viruses and malware has gotten onto the installation discs of legit software at the CD factory?

    That isn't an argument against buying legit software; my point is even with legitimate software you need to keep an eye out.

  11. Re:Trusted? Uploader LMAO! by number11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you ever bought a SONY gadget on the internet?? How do you know it was not fake, inferior junk, knockoff from China? You do not, not unless you buy the product from an original, authorized seller. Deal with it.

    Have you ever bought a SONY CD from an original, authorized seller, to discover that it's rootkitted your computer? Have you ever bought a digital picture frame at Target, to discover that the original-equipment virus lurking in it has infected your flash drives?

    The fact is, buying original, genuine merchandise from reputable vendors does not in any way protect you from negligent (Target) or criminal (SONY) acts on the part of those in the manufacturing and distribution chain.

    There is no honor among corporations, either.
    Buying from an original, authorized seller does not protect you.
    Deal with it.