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Does the Moon Have Military Value?
MarkWhittington writes "Despite the fact that under President Barack Obama's space policy, Americans will not be going back to the moon any time soon, discussions are occurring about what, if any, military value the Earth's nearest neighbor has. Opinions, as can be expected, vary on the subject."
Are you reading this, The U.S. Government? The moon is of endless strategic military value! You could be the most powerful military on earth if you had the most advanced space programs.
Divert some of that ridiculously high military funding toward space programs, as much as you can spare!
Low Earth Orbit? Yes!
Military wants the high ground, and in terms of Earth-focused warfare the most you need is LEO. Lunar puts you 3 days out at Apollo speeds, and at the bottom of a gravity well (even if it is significantly weaker.) LEO puts you over any potential target every 90 minutes and less than a day away from resupply.
Until you've got strategically valuable positions in space between the Earth and Moon, the Moon itself will hold no value militarily.
Ever read Heinlein? Lots of good/bad ideas. Rocks are easier to throw downhill. So are nukes. Lots of nefarious uses you could put it to if you wanted.
Strategically, it's the equivalent of taking the castle on top of the hill...much easier to fight invaders coming up, and to reign death down upon anything lower than it.
But like that castle, it is in a precarious position in that supplies can be cut off...
You don't need nuclear weapons from the moon, nor toxic weapons either. Apparently the moon has a rich supply of these mysterious city-killing weapons called "rocks" which, when catapulted out of the moon's gravity well naturally fall into Earth's. The Earth's gravity operates on the mass of the rocks, accelerating them to great terminal energy - enough to look as much like nuclear weapons as makes little difference. Done with sufficient precision, or simply enough quantity, it should be more than enough force to get the Earth to capitulate. Scary thought: the entire moon is made up of these disastrous weapons of mass destruction, which require no fine art to deploy. I read a book about it once, a long time ago. Wish I could remember the title.
Odd note of geek trivia: the "Toynbee Tiles" enigma is precisely about this.
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If they have a self-sufficient moon base, the whole "mutually assured destruction" (MAD) theory of avoiding nuclear war with the soviets go away.
As they described it to us -- since both the commies and the US had enough nukes to kill everyone, noone would be crazy enough to launch.
However if one country has a colony on the moon; the whole MAD equation changes. Suddenly instead of "everyone dies", the result is "hey, if everyone on earth dies; I and my 144000 other colonists on this base will own everything!!!!"
The moon is a bug hunk of cheese, so who are you going to declare war on?
Baguette wielding Frenchmen?
This reporter, Mark Whittington, is a Republican/Conservative reporter. Read any of his news reports on any issue such as the Gitmo prison, WikiLeaks, the financial regulations, the Ground Zero Islamic Center or the health care reform. He will start off bthis report by factually quoting a few people on either side of a given issue but will always slip in his opinion or editorial that is always pro-conservative and anti-Obama. You can check yourself by reading any of his reports. They are available by clicking on his name in the linked web page.
Even on this issue, notice the last paragraph written by him "The decision of the Obama administration to abandon the moon and apparent Chinese ambitions toward that celestial body has grave implications for the balance of power on Earth later this century." Oooooohh. Be very afraid.... Yeah, right! He is just like many other RepubliCons who hang out at the Weekly Standard or the National Review. They will will pick anything to bash the Obama administration.
I am reminded of the Battle of Midway, where Midway island was thought of as an "unsinkable carrier" and the plans for defense included heavy use of the airstrips on the island. The island was also far from resupply or support. Once the battle started, the Japanese, who knew exactly where Midway was, bombed the hell out of it. The primary strength of aircraft carrier is their ability to move; when properly used they're hard to find even while employing their airpower in combat. The moon, I think, is analogous in both the unambiguous location and difficulty of resupply.
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I find your lack of original conversation disturbing.
Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.
See "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Heinlein.
The Moon is high ground relative to Earth, contains a ready source of very large rocks, and is a shallow enough gravity well that it would not be hard to throw the aforementioned rocks at the Earth with readily available technology.
Yeah its been covered about a hundred times up the page. On the downside you won't have much control authority after you throw each rock. The large mass means that you would need a lot of energy to change its trajectory. Each rock would spend about two days falling to Earth and it would be easy to spot with radar. Almost immediately it would be possible to identify the city it was aimed at. A few hours from impact the impact location should be known to within a few or so. The best countermeasure might be to move humans and some other assets out of the way. A five metre rock (say 500 tonnes) at 11km/s okay thats going to make a crater smaller than Barringer Crater so lets say you get a 500 metre crater. Based on lunar experience the ejecta blanket will go out to 5km and it will be relatively safe at 10km from the impact point. So worst case is it hits the centre of Tokyo but the number of targets like that is limited. Seoul, London, Beijing, etc.
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Shit... for all our recorded history, we thought it was a moon, but it was actually a death star?
We DESERVE to be blown up if we didn't notice. Landed on it and everything.
America can, nay must, blow up the moon.
"NASA's funding keeps getting cut, and yet we're spending trillions on war like it's nothing"
"War, eh? We can do that in space, sure."
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Actually, if we get nuclear fusion operational, that might not be too far from the truth. An ideal fusion fuel, Helium-3, is found on the moon in absurd quantities (due to it's constant exposure to solar radiation), and can literally be scooped up from the ground (ironically the richest deposits are surface, or just-below-surface deposits : no digging required, a spoon will do).
The advantage of Helium-3 ? It fuses without neutron radiation. This means no radioactivity has to be evacuated from the fusion reactor. You could eat the fusion products (after cooling them) and no harm would befall you.
A small scoop of helium-3 in a fusion reactor would produce enough power to transport all of humanity off the earth (by contrast, all the oil in the world could barely move a million people into orbit).
The helium-3 total on the moon contains enough energy, so that if released through fusion it could heat up the earth by 10.000 degrees. All the oil that ever was in the ground was barely enough to heat us (at least directly) 0.0001 degrees. And, the best part, suppose we strip-mine the entire moon blank, after 2 years we'll have another 20 cm of Helium-3 to mine.
So it would basically mean unlimited, "renewable" (as renewable as solar power at least) energy supply for the foreseeable future.
...it's combined with 3 wolves.
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It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)
Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.
Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!
Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.
Dude - if the world were PERFECT, and couldn't be improved in any way - we would destroy it, so that we could fight over whose fault it was that the perfect world was destroyed. It's human nature. We don't WANT perfection, security, happiness, or any of that other crap. We want to fight, and we want to prove that we are better than the other guy. Don't believe me? Just look at all the people in the world who worship the very same God, but fight amongst themselves about what God said, or didn't said, or should have said, or whatever the hell else. "transcending" military post? Pfft. You'll have to truly understand the human animal before you can make a "transcending" military post. Mankind thrives on adversity. If he can't find enough adversity, he'll create some. Thank you for your time - now go out and kill something.
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According to what I saw in the 50th anniversary retrospectives, the sputnik launch was was initially interpreted and military defeat for the US. The other side has superior ability to send weapons toward us and spy on us. To his credit President Eisenhower turned the debate into an international education competition and ushered in the golden age of science. The world still benefits from the afterglow of this initiative.
"... Nuclear weapons are ironic..."
Great, now all the hipsters will want one.
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