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NY Times Considers Creating a WikiLeaks Type Site

eko3 writes "The New York Times is considering options to create an in-house submission system that could make it easier for would-be leakers to provide large files to the paper. From the article: 'Executive editor Bill Keller told The Cutline that he couldn't go into details, "especially since nothing is nailed down." But when asked if he could envision a system like Al Jazeera's Transparency Unit, Keller said the paper has been "looking at something along those lines."'"

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  1. What this really is by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the New York Times hoping to get a scoop for free so they can increase readership without actually doing any real investigative journalism for themselves.

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    1. Re:What this really is by severoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Allow me to sum up: "NYT considers direction change: future is finding, reporting news, editors say."

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    2. Re:What this really is by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      not only that, but they'll submit it to the government to water it down because they don't want to rock the boat or actually do journalistic work.

    3. Re:What this really is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      yeah, lapdog for the liberal left.

      Apparently that word means something different in USAsia.

    4. Re:What this really is by slick7 · · Score: 2

      So what? If NY Times can get a "scoop" on anything that bloggers can't immediately get a hold of, then it's a win-win, for them as well as public.. It is easy to shut down a blogger or even someone like Assange. NY Times is different ballgame.

      You're right, it is a new ball game, the NYT can sanitize the "leaks" thereby allowing business as usual. The NYT is nothing more than a propaganda machine using Himmler's techniques more effectively.

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    5. Re:What this really is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe First Amendment will prevail if it is given a chance. But if take someone like Assange, put out a smear campaign and put him away for something else, then 1st Amendment is irrelevant.

      You can't put away NY Times because you can't say "NY Times raped kids" or similar garbage. Any NY Times case would have to be fought over the actual publication, not proxy charges.

      If Assange worked for NY Times, the published leaks would have been more selective (ie. no point in leaking useless chitchat), but funding would not have been cut off. NY Times has billions at disposal, provided there is interest in its stories. Individuals, even wealthy ones, do not have the same clout.

      We need less martyrs, and more actual cases that deal with 1st Amendment. Martyrs simply produce proxy charges, like Assange.

    6. Re:What this really is by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      You really think that the New York Times would have published anything like what Wikileaks did? Or, do you think that the New York Times would have just turned the other way and decided not to deal with it and the liabilities. And really, the problem with the New York Times is that it doesn't -want- to stir up anything. While the New York Times (and all other mainstream media for that matter) has no problem attacking either the Republican or Democrat party, they still believe in the utter importance of American imperialism.

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    7. Re:What this really is by Breathwork · · Score: 2

      Actually, what is pathetic about this, is that should the New York Times actually get sensitive government information, they will run it by the State Department and Langley and Fort Meade boys first to see if it's OK to publish it, just like they did when they had the scoop the on NSA-Telecom deal. Ask yourself this - if you risk your life and your freedom to release sensitive information about government wrong-doing - do you give it to a guy outside of US control or to a newspaper who asks permission from the government first? This is a no brainer. The future of leaks is stateless organizations, not the co-opted American press corps.


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    8. Re:What this really is by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      You really think that the New York Times would have published anything like what Wikileaks did?

      Not "think" but "know". NYT was one of the three major papers whom wikileaks used as their fact-checkers and editors for all their latest major leaks.

      So yes, we know that NYT would, and in fact by proxy did publish those facts.

  2. They won't have the guts to do it right by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The NY Times *may* have once had some real balls, back in the Vietnam/Watergate days. People used to really believe in them (and the press in general) back in those days too. Anyone remember the scene at the end of Firestarter where the guy takes the girl to the New York Times, knowing it's one of the few places she can tell her story that's safe from the government? Pretty typical attitude back in the "All the President's Men" era, when reporters regularly stood up to the government (or at least were perceived to).

    But today they certainly don't have the guts to do it right. They will insist on editorial control of what gets actually posted, and once submitters see their stuff disappearing into a black hole (because the Times doesn't have the guts to publish anything that might offend their advertisers or subscribers, or *really* bring the government down on them), they'll go back to Wikileaks or other sites. No one wants to man-up and blow the whistle, only to have the NY Times kill their voice just as surely as the government would.

    People don't believe in the press anymore. They've seen too many instances (like the second Iraq War) where the press served as little more than a cheerleader for the government, for big business, for nationalism, etc. No one still believes that The New York Times will be (or even could be) as free as Wikileaks.

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    1. Re:They won't have the guts to do it right by oldmac31310 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That, and they would hold stories back for months or years as they have already done in the past - at the request of the government no less. I have no confidence in this and no one else should have either.

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    2. Re:They won't have the guts to do it right by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Wikileaks doesn't exactly do it right either. The right thing to do is to upload your data to RapidShare, et al. Then post it to USENET. Then dump it on Freenet.

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    3. Re:They won't have the guts to do it right by metrometro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your smug superiority doesn't match the data. The New York Times has been agressively covering wikileaks material, and indeed is their preferred US outlet. While they are certainly not "as free as" Wikileaks itself, I would argue that an org with a little transparency and accountability (sometimes opposing interests to freedom) would be preferable to what Wikileaks has given us.

      Or better yet, an ecosystem of many, many outlets to choose from. Which is exactly what the Times, and Al Jazeera are working towards. So why are you pissing on it, +5 Insightful?

    4. Re:They won't have the guts to do it right by kurish666 · · Score: 2
      >their preferred US outlet

      Just plain wrong: WikiLeaks spurned New York Times, but Guardian leaked State Department cables.

      The rest of your comment defending that propaganda rag is pretty hilarious.

    5. Re:They won't have the guts to do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd also like to point out the largest black eye that the New York Times still carries to this day.

      Sitting on the Illegal U.S. Wiretapping Story for a year during the early Bush Administration.

      Care to defend how a Corporate news agency will able to achieve the likes of what Wiki-leaks is doing?

  3. That's so 2010... by jimmerz28 · · Score: 2

    Aren't we a little late on the fadwagon NYT?

    1. Re:That's so 2010... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's "bandwagon". We don't need a new word to replace an existing word. That would be ricockulous.

    2. Re:That's so 2010... by jimmerz28 · · Score: 2

      I prefer ridonkulous

  4. How much would you have to pay . . . by TheReij · · Score: 2

    to gain access to the submission page? Not sure how the paywall would work on that one.

  5. Re:Terrists! by royallthefourth · · Score: 2

    They are the same as Al Jazeera; neither will report anything that is bad for business.

  6. I wouldn't trust them by ISoldat53 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the outfit that help us get into the Iraq War.

    1. Re:I wouldn't trust them by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Which one? The first one or the current one? Trick question! Actually, the figurehead of the "Liberal Media" loves killing foreigners.

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  7. Registration required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    They expect leakers to sign up and watch a 30-second ad before commenting.

    Never gonna happen.

  8. Honeypot? by wolfsdaughter · · Score: 2

    Would the NYT keep the submitter anonymous at all costs, and if not wouldn't this just become a honeypot for the US (or any) government?

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  9. Don't they already have one: a newspaper by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's very little "wiki" to Wikileaks. As for leaking stuff, they pride themselves on having the stuff vetted and confirmed by a team of professional journalists.

    So it's a website with a bunch of journalists. And some pointy haired boss in NYT is saying "Ooooh, we should set up one of those!"

    The only question is: why to whistle blowers go to Wikileaks instead of NYT?

    1. Re:Don't they already have one: a newspaper by hdd · · Score: 2

      because NYT and other news agencies, as recognized journalists, are in a better legal position to protected their sources.

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    2. Re:Don't they already have one: a newspaper by Korin43 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is complete bullshit. How can you call it freedom of the press if the government gets to decide what the press is?

  10. So, they hope to actually get leaks despite by unity100 · · Score: 2

    being in U.S. ? the country where everything is under the mercy of secret government agencies ?

    after what happened with cryptome http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1910704&cid=34556662 , do you think that ANYone would trust nyt and leak ? nsa has been able to infiltrate a swiss establishment as such. they dont even need to infiltrate new york times.

  11. Watch out for those chicks in the bar ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope that "Executive editor Bill Keller" has the common sense to restrain himself, when suddenly, after his LeakSite is online, chicks start trying to hit on him in bars. Otherwise, he can play cards with Julian Assange behind bars.

    Assassinating the publishers of leaks is a dirty business. Assassinating their characters is a better, cleaner option.

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  12. Narcs! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, the NYT are all too eager to kiss the asses of the people in power, and you know they would sell out their leakers in a heartbeat for a pat on the head from their corporate masters. Not in a million years would I leak any information to an NYT leak site. For all the many faults of Julien Assange, at least you know he's not gonna sell you out and that he'll try to really distribute the information he gets.

  13. Don't Hold Your Breath by Voline · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the point to leaking documents is to get information to the public about wrongdoing by powerful institutions like governments and large corporations so that the public can do something about it, The New York Times is not where I'd send the information.

    The Times had evidence of the Bush Administration program to illegally wiretap American Citizens but, at the urging of the White House, sat on the story for a year until after the 2004 elections before publishing. The public might have taken action to punish the perpetrators of this crime by voting them out of office. But the Times made sure that the powerful lawbreakers avoided any accountability for their crimes.

    Go ahead and leak information about crimes to The New York Times. But if that information implicates powerful people or institutions in the US, don't expect them to publish until the criminals have safely gotten away with it.