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Netgear CEO Says Jobs's Ego Will Bite Apple

AcidAUS writes "The global chairman and CEO of home networking giant Netgear has launched into a scathing attack on Apple and its founder Steve Jobs, criticising Jobs's 'ego' and Apple's closed up products. At a lunch in Sydney today, Patrick Lo said Apple's success was centred on closed and proprietary products that would soon be overtaken by open platforms like Google's Android."

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  1. Disagree by commodore6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    JOBS vision to create "cool" Macs instead of the old beige/bland Macs/MP3s, basically saved Apple from the same fate that hit Atari and Commodore. Plus he had the vision to create the sleek, easy-to-use iPod.

    Else we'd all be talking about the bankrupt former company called Apple, instead of today's thriving near-number 1 company. Jobs is still leading the company in the right direction and giving it that cool factor which appeals to consumers.

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    1. Re:Disagree by nibbles2004 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Iphones are not cool, there too ubiquitous, when the binman has one, it's no longer the phone to desire, my N900 that's cool, only 5 people have them

    2. Re:Disagree by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? Useless? My iPhone can: send and receive e-mail, browse the web, act as a portable media device, act as a portable GPS device, entertain me with games, keep my notes and calendars, allow me to remote manage my servers, help me figure out what's in this interesting drink, convert binary to hex, and even act as a freaking flashlight. That's just my personal phone with the apps I have installed. It does everything I want or need it to do. Indeed it does everything that an Android phone will do with two exceptions that I'm aware of. It won't tether, and I can't use video teleconferencing outside of wifi hotspots. Since I more or less never need those things, it's not really an issue for me. Also not every Android phone will do those things.

      If you need those things, then fine, it's not the device for you; but useless is a tad overstated don't you think?

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  2. Like Apple gives a shit by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Netgear's stock has increased in price by 100% since it went public. Apple's stock, over the same time period, has increased in price by over 3100%.

    Now stock price isn't everything, but it is to these people...

  3. Re:Apple is too big and well entrenched to fail by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, Apple's currently the third-place player in the smartphone market, after Google and Symbian. (Apple's hardly going to fail in that business, though. Even six months ago they were making about half of the money in the entire mobile phone market.)

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  4. Apple will do what's best for Apple by Rinnon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't care much for Apple or it's products for exactly the reasons stated in TFA. The closed nature of the offerings usually locks me out of doing something I considered basic, that I wanted to do. Little or no reprieve from this is often offered. It's Apple's way, or the highway.

    But the fact is, this attitude has been nothing but good for them from a business standpoint. Most consumers don't need or WANT options that they consider complex or confusing. Time and again it has been proven through sales that people want simple. People want 1 click, 1 button, no chance of screwing up. When people are more confident with their product right out of the box, they like it more. And Apple is great at giving people something they feel comfortable using the moment they turn it on.

    Why would Apple change this? It feels like sour grapes to me. Developers have a hard time, but consumers are happy. In the end, Apple cares more about it's customers than it's partners, which is the right choice to make from a business standpoint. The only way Patrick Lo is going to be proven right, is if people stop buying Apple products. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

  5. A Closed Model Can Only Take You So Far by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hmmm, that's an interesting take on it -- I guess one that is diametrically opposed to my take on the situation. If you read the article, the author argues that a closed locked in product like you describe can only go so far before the open alternatives arise and overtake it. No doubt you can achieve massive success initially but it's only a matter of time before an open competitor appeals more to the community and users. Oh how I wish I could have the iPod hardware with an open source program in Linux to put music on it ... unfortunately Apple does not want this. They want to keep me using iTunes and that software sickens me.

    From the article:

    "Ultimately a closed system just can't go that far ... If they continue to close it and let Android continue to creep up then it's pretty difficult as I see it."

    Lo said the industry had "seen this movie play several times", pointing to the Betamax vs. VHS video format war, Mac vs. Windows and various proprietary networking protocols that at one stage tried to compete with the now dominant TCP/IP.

    In each of the above cases, the more open platforms won more market share. However, Apple has bucked this trend so far with its closed ecosystems for the iPhone and iPad.

    "Right now the closed platform has been successful for Apple because they've been so far ahead as thought leaders because of Steve Jobs," said Lo.

    "Eventually they've got to find a way to open up iTunes without giving too much away on their revenue generation model."

    The author is positing that the closed model you are so impressed with needs to change if they want to survive Android. Unfortunately, Jobs' ego will not allow this and they'll most likely end up in the same realm as Microsoft -- financially great but viewed as a 'has been' and opportunist by the community.

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    1. Re:A Closed Model Can Only Take You So Far by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People chose the more-open platforms because they were open in ways that mattered to the average user of that kind of product. Betamax's restrictions were troublesome to the average home movie viewer of the time. Mac's restrictions were troublesome to the average computer user of the time. I'm not sure that the iPhone's restrictions are the kind that matter to the average mobile phone user, any more than the iPod's restrictions mattered to the average portable audio customer. The exceptions cited in the article aren't flukes, they're an important weakness in the trend they're trying to spot.

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  6. Same Old Song and Dance by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heard the same thing about iPods vs. MP3 Players, Macs vs. PC's, and before that about Apple II's vs. CPM. There was a five year stretch where Apple wasn't doing so hot, but it turned out this was because they weren't being proprietary enough... once Steve brought out the iMac, nuked the clones and axed compatibility with obsolete or inefficient standards, they've been selling exceptionally well, and delivering a much thicker profit margin than competing profits.

    That's not arrogance, that's good business sense.

  7. Re:Maybe I'm missing something? by kyz · · Score: 4, Informative

    However, developers are still subject to the rules of the Android store.

    They are not. Tick "Settings -> Applications -> Allow installation of non-Market applications" on your Android phone and install the app directly from the developer's website.

    The day you can do that on an iPhone is the day it stops being a closed platform.

    The phone manufacturers are carriers still have the final say on which features of the OS are actually shipped intact

    There are hundreds of Android phone models. Not all phones have or need the same features. If you don't like one phone's feature set, choose a different one.

    Find me an iPhone manufacturer that isn't Apple.

    If I find Motorola's restrictions on a DROID 2 onerous, I could just buy Google's Nexus S instead. They're both Android phones and they'll both run the same apps.

    Find me an iPhone that's sold without Apple's restrictions.

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  8. Re:Overtaken... by miknix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    YEP. Most people don't actually care if the devices are open or closed, they don't even notice it until they need to migrate their data (contacts etc..) to a new device. Things like having special incompatible cables and software for each device is also perfectly normal for them, it has been like that since forever so people is somewhat used to it.

    As I see it, the only difference now is that Apple provides polished products that actually work with minimal effort. It is a big win for everybody except for us, hackers, that want control over every piece of hardware and software.

  9. Re:One issue: by robus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually they're not. AppleTV (an iAnything if ever there was one) has been pretty much DOA until recently - Xserve was killed due to lack of sales - (you'd think the corporate fanboys in Hollywood and New York would have lapped those up?!)

    How is this still debated? Not everything Apple touches turns to gold. Your meme is defective.

  10. Re:Maybe I'm missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do. I have an iPhone 4 and an iPad. My iPhone is jailbroken, which was necessary to even turn do certain basic things (like change icons!).

    I just got a "3G wireless router", which is actually an underpowered Android smart-phone. Although it's sold as an internet router, you can use it as a (low spec) android play-toy, so I messed around with it a little bit.

    First thing... well it has tethering as it's main point of existence in my device's case. My iPhone doesn't show the option, and my carrier would rip me off if they did offer it I am sure. (Yes.. I can install the jailbroken one.. I tried and it killed the batteries in like 10 minutes and wasn't very fast anyway).

    I found that I could change the background, change the icons, easily and reliably have stuff like Skype run in the background, modify the keyboard layout, etc. I installed a network traffic graph and signal meter widget on the home screen, which is very convenient given the device's purpose.

    In short, it's actually customizable to a large extent! I was amazed when I tried to play with the "phone" program. I entered a number and hit "dial", and it asked me if it should use the native phone capability, Google Voice, or Skype! (The native phone option wouldn't work since this device only has a data plan...). You simply can't integrate stuff on iOS like that.

    This isn't to say that everyone in the world needs to heavily customize their device, but having the option to, f.e., have the normal dialer launch skype is like a luxury after dealing with the iPhone. There's also a status bar at the top so you can see what's running. On iOS, for example, if Skype is killed in the background, you never know (except when you find out later that you missed calls). There's nifty screens where you can see what's actually killing your battery (on iOS you have to guess), etc., etc.

    The nice thing is that all these options don't seem to hurt the stability of the system at all, and those who don't need them don't have to use them. Likewise, you can install apps only from the "safe" Android market, or you can install from anywhere else you like. After playing that that thing, I kind-of wish my iPhone contract was up, so I could get one of the new Sharp Android phones... :(

  11. Re:Nothing like kicking a man when he's down! by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

    He already has. Tim Cook has been running Apple for a while, and was solely in charge during Steve's previous leave of absence. They have been working on what to do for some time, not just with Tim Cook, but with the whole top level team. Consider that they have known Steve's health condition for a lot longer than we have.

  12. Re:Apple is too big and well entrenched to fail by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't usually respond to AC's... but Mac market share is not increasing..

    Sales of Macs have increased faster than sales of PC's for several years in a row. That means that Apple's market-share is increasing.

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