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Last Available IPv4 Blocks Allocated

stoborrobots writes "Following on from APNIC's earlier assessment that they would need to request the last available /8 blocks, they have now been allocated 39/8 and 106/8, triggering ARIN's final distribution of blocks to the RIRs. According to the release, 'APNIC expects normal allocations to continue for a further three to six months.'"

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  1. Egypt ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Egypt has just given up theirs ...

  2. IANA's final, not ARIN's final by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Informative

    triggering ARIN's final distribution of blocks to the RIRs

    I think you mean triggering IANA's final distribution. ARIN is one of the 5 RIRs who will receive a final /8 from IANA.

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    1. Re:IANA's final, not ARIN's final by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      The article is about IPv4 addresses. These are used to uniquely identify hosts connected to a thing called the 'Internet'. Some of these hosts serve things called 'web pages', connected together in a thing called the 'world wide web'. A few of these pages let you use things called 'search engines', which give you information about a particular topic.

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  3. Comcast user here... by Howitzer86 · · Score: 2

    I seem to have failed an online IPv6 test. Should I be worried?

    1. Re:Comcast user here... by SheeEttin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not yet, Comcast is currently trialling IPv6 in select locations (i.e. San Francisco, NYC, Boston, etc.). They expect to roll out IPv6 to the rest of us some time this year. (You can keep up with their progress here.)

      Meanwhile, if you really want IPv6 for whatever reason, I set up a tunnel with Hurricane Electric. After configuring my computers and router (DD-WRT, IPv6 is fully supported), I had IPv6 both internally and externally (i.e. IPv6 DHCP and access to the IPv6 Internet). You can set your own up here.
      (I took it down shortly afterward, because I don't know about any security ramifications this would have.)

    2. Re:Comcast user here... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Have you set up to use Comcast's 6to4 or 6rd tunnel service? I am on Comcast with 6rd set up and I get 9/10 (only warning is that Comcast DNS isn't on v6 yet).

      Have a look here for 6rd instructions. Otherwise, set up 6to4 using 192.88.99.1.

    3. Re:Comcast user here... by swillden · · Score: 2

      i.e. IPv6 DHCP

      Why did you go with DHCP rather than the simpler, faster and cooler stateless autoconfig with radvd?

      I took it down shortly afterward, because I don't know about any security ramifications this would have

      None, assuming you set up a firewall to block incoming IPv6 connections.

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    4. Re:Comcast user here... by reuteler · · Score: 2

      3. Autoconfig doesn't guarantee a machine will have the same IP while DHCP will ....

      sure it does. autoconf is based on the mac address and the subnet as advertised by the router (rtadvd on openbsd) -- the address will always be the same. you really are just making your life difficult.

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  4. Re:So the question is... by ss_teven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unlikely, more like 'NAT' for regular users and pay extra $$$ for a real IP.

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  5. Re:So the question is... by Albanach · · Score: 2

    You can hope. In reality, consumer ISPs will probably start using NAT since they gain little from customers doing anything that requires a public IP.

    The majority of customers won't notice and the rest will suffer crippled services or be asked to pay a surcharge for a non NAT IP address. That has the potential to raise revenue for ISPs rather than implementing IPv6 which would incur expenditure.

  6. Something Something Egypt Something Something by killmenow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, has anybody said anything witty about Egypt yet?

    Remember, I said witty.

    1. Re:Something Something Egypt Something Something by jon3k · · Score: 2

      Nope, just the same joke about half a dozen times (out of about 10 posts)

  7. Watch out for those Pyramid s(p|c)ams then by Troll-Under-D'Bridge · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi, I'm General Tutan Khamun. As commander of the Royal Camel Battalion, I was in charge of the valuable ancient artifacts of the Arab Republic of Egypt. However because of ongoing chaos in the country, numerous treasures have been lost. For a small fee, you can help me recover these artifacts and return them to their rightful owners. Please send me your contact detail$$$ and I will call you back.

    May Pharaoh be with you!

  8. Re:So the question is... by sjames · · Score: 5, Informative

    Y2K was perfectly legitimate. It was only through heroic efforts that programmers were able to overcome years of managerial negligence and get the changes made in a knick of time. As is typical, since the herculean effort caused nothing to happen the world yawned and assumed the geeks were just moaning over nothing all along.

    In this case, it's not a flag day where what worked a second ago no longer does. It's more along the line of pain slowly creeping up on you day by day until one day you realize it's actually excruciating.

    It's been building for a few years, but few have seen the pain. In the '90s when you wanted a class C allocation, just ask and it was yours. Since then, the standards for justification have gotten tighter and tighter until you almost have to either exaggerate of consult a fortune teller to fill them out appropriately.

    It WILL get worse, and it will ramp up quickly, but it won't be like Y2K might have been.

    On a side note, a Y2K related issue (leap day implementing the 4 year and 100 year rule but not the 400 year rule) did result in a significant nuclear event at a Japanese fuel reprocessing facility.

  9. Get a tunnel. by John+Hasler · · Score: 3
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    1. Re:Get a tunnel. by Suzuran · · Score: 2

      Usually.

    2. Re:Get a tunnel. by wet-socks · · Score: 2

      We will see widespread NAT usage. And it won't destroy the Internet. It'll muck up your bittorrent traffic to some degree. Just about everyone works behind a NAT anyways. I've mucked about with some implementations that had 3 levels of NAT, and those worked fine. The only thing that didn't work was being able to directly access machines behind so many levels. Every modern protocol works.

      Exactly. As long as you're a content consumer. The internet becomes another cable TV channel for the masses. Good luck if you want to be a content provider - better go make a facebook page or upload to youtube.

    3. Re:Get a tunnel. by smash · · Score: 2

      That and the fact that ISP routers will run out of state table space and CPU.

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  10. Re:Who Cares? by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

    How would I do that with you sitting in that backwater swamp of IPv4 with your fingers jammed in your ears prattling on about how you don't believe in that newfangled IPv6 thing and that it's probably the work of the devil?

  11. which will roll out first? by metalmaster · · Score: 2

    IPv6 or Duke Nukem Forever?

    The race to the consumer roll out is on!

  12. Re:Who Cares? by zippthorne · · Score: 2

    Indeed. It's just a stupid number. How did we ever manage to get ourselves into a position where we could run out of numbers.

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  13. where are IPV6 routers and modems?? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2

    where are IPV6 routers and modems??

    Where are the router firmware updates with IPV6? What about all the Cable and DSL modems? What about cable boxes? they get IP's and run on the cable network.

    1. Re:where are IPV6 routers and modems?? by Cimexus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some consumer routers have already supported it for some time: e.g. the Apple Airport Express, some NetComm routers, Fritz!Box (popular in Europe, mostly). For the rest, the firmware will be forthcoming, no doubt. My DSL modem/router manufacturer (Billion, http://www.billion.com/) has already released firmware updates to some models to enable native dual stack. My particular model is due to be updated 'Q1 2011', so within the next two months. Which is great as my ISP already has native IPv6 available to its end customers now and a fully IPv6 backbone, so it should be a seamless transition.

      Having said that there are slack router manufacturers and crappy ISPs that have sat on their hands for too long and will now have to madly scramble. (Or implement carrier grade NAT which is an ugly kludge - I would immediately leave any such ISP that implemented it).

      There is one small problem however: some cheap/old routers don't physically have the onboard memory to fit a firmware containing both an IPv4 and IPv6 stack. So there will definitely be some users that need to physically replace their hardware, unfortunately.

    2. Re:where are IPV6 routers and modems?? by The+Psyko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, IPv6 autoconfiguration?

      And who renumbers? No one should be typing in IPs anywhere anymore. DHCPv6 and DNS and now you're done.

    3. Re:where are IPV6 routers and modems?? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      With the number of IPv6 numbers available, there is no long ANY excuse for ISP's to be rotating your IP anymore. They should be able to give you a subnet and let you *have* it.

  14. Ok...this really sucks! by NoExQQ · · Score: 2

    Damn it! I just figured out how to subnet without a calculator and now this!!

  15. 240/4 subnets by dhammabum · · Score: 2

    I note that IANA has classified 240/8 - 255/8 (well 254/8 really - 255 is for broadcasts) as reserved for future use. Is not the future now?

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    1. Re:240/4 subnets by ravenspear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a lot of legacy IPv4 software in networking components will not route packets going to those addresses, since they were designated as future use a long time ago.

      Since that software would have to be updated, it might as well just be updated to IPv6.

    2. Re:240/4 subnets by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that a good deal of devices refuse to route anything to such addresses, making them effectively useless. Having to reflash every router (including "consumer" ones) and fix every broken config would be harder than just migrating to IPv6. Strictly speaking, easier to amend but with breakages harder to spot.

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    3. Re:240/4 subnets by ravenspear · · Score: 2

      Support is no harder because you try v6 first.

      But it will be. Try explaining to your customers why some people have a fully routable v4 assignment, but yours is hopelessly crippled and will only enjoy spotty connectivity. There isn't enough information about IPv6 in the general marketplace already, there is virtually none about this alternate range of v4 addresses that could potentially work for some people but not others.

      Besides, any of those IPv4 bandaid type solutions just delay the impetus to move to IPv6. If you are going to make people check and patch their equipment to support future use addresses, you are going to take away resources that could be focused on moving to v6.

      Dual stack will allow people to connect to those who can only get a new v6 address (i.e. a v4 peer will be able to connect to a v6 socket). That is a better solution than making the IPv4 situation even more broken than it already is.

    4. Re:240/4 subnets by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except they were not stupid and they were not dumb. You look at your megabytes and gigabytes of RAM and think of course that's stupid. But a current era machine would be something like the Apple II with 4 kB - 4096 bytes - of RAM, where it really, really matter if an IP address takes up 4 bytes or 8 bytes. Or if you use 2 or 4 digits to store the year. By the time TCP/IP became official, cutting edge machines like the IBM PC and Spectrum Z80 had 16 kB.

      You must remember that TCP/IP was designed only around the time people started to imagine the possibility of a personal computer, and even then it was for the few and rich. That we'd all get together in one big network was even further out, I used to dial BBS for many years before I got on the Internet, even though it already existed as such.

      Even today when there's far more people and people are much richer than 30 years ago there's only about 2 billion people on the Internet, even if you assumed a PC for everyone we'd still be good for another while. But I have a PC at home and at work and in my pocket and it all adds up. But who had that crystal ball in the late 70s/early 80s and what if they did?

      Sure, you could have just picked some impossibly huge number that'd obviously be enough for everything. But it would have had a huge and immediate impact on memory consumption and cost there and then. We're not talking about short sighted businessmen that only care about the next quarter here. We're talking about things that could only be a problem decades down the road if this becomes a megahit. Sure it's shitty for us, but that's not their fault. Particularly when people have been waving the warning flags for years and everybody's happily ignored it until we hit the brick wall.

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  16. Re:I know where to get some by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

    Maybe we can recycle Egypt's, they don't seem to want them...

    Too bad nobody actually has the guts to do that. Take everything allocated to Egypt and give it to someone else. If they complain, just say "You shut down the Internet in your country, you obviously didn't want them anymore."

  17. Re:Why can't we go after legacy space? by seifried · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For every /8 you manage to claw back (incurring ridiculous costs to the holders of it, meaning it won't happen, they'd sooner take IANA/ARIN/etc. to court and drag it out I suspect) you gain.. wait for it... a total of 1 month. It's just not worth it. And then what.. start clawing back class B's? Better to move to IPv6 and just fix it for once and all. Plus we still have the 6to4, 4to6 and whatnot to deal with for a few decades.

  18. Re:Why can't we go after legacy space? by Cimexus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We can ask them to do that. In fact some organisations that initially had very large (/8) allocations have already given some of their pool back. However, the growth of the internet is consuming a /8 worth of IPs every 4-6 weeks, at present. So even if all organisations with a /8 gave it back, it'd give us maybe a year's extra time, if that.

  19. Re:I know where to get some by Jeremi · · Score: 2

    Take everything allocated to Egypt and give it to someone else. If they complain, just say "You shut down the Internet in your country, you obviously didn't want them anymore."

    So you would take away the Egyptian peoples' IPv4 access forever, because their tyrannical ruler engaged in Internet censorship?

    I'm not sure I see the logic behind that.

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  20. Re:So the question is... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Y2K was perfectly legitimate. It was only through heroic efforts that programmers were able to overcome years of managerial negligence and get the changes made in a knick of time.

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  21. Re:multi level NAT will brake alot of stuff! by bn557 · · Score: 2

    multi level NAT will brake alot of stuff!

    Consumer ISPs will just charge you an extra 2.99 per device to have a true router (behind their nat) so they can sell 8000 people 192.168.0.2, etc, etc.

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  22. Try DD-WRT by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    where are IPV6 routers and modems??

    Everywhere. Pretty much all good routers are IPv6 capable, just not out of the box (unfortunately). You have to do things like put the DD-WRT open source firmware on them. On the plus side though, if you do that you don't just get IPv6, you additionally pretty much turn your home router into an enterprise router.

    Note that some companies like Buffalo are starting to ship their routers with DD-WRT on them by default, so we are starting to see IPv6 enabled routers out of the box. As for the other companies, they are probably holding off in the hopes that people are forced to buy more routers from them in the future, rather than running what they currently have. Once the public becomes aware that IPv6 is a desirable feature, then they will start selling them.

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  23. An IPv4 address enters a bar and says... by c0lo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A strong CIDR please, I'm exhausted"

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  24. Re:I know where to get some by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't it be better to do it anyways? AfriNIC could give them IPv6 addresses, and Egypt could get back online when they are ready.

  25. Re:Why can't we go after legacy space? by rdebath · · Score: 2

    At the current burn rate it's actually less than half a month per /8 ...

  26. Google to the rescue... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    If anyone from google is reading this please consider preferencing sites with A and AAAA records in your search results or heck just threaten/rumor to do it.

  27. Artifacts by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

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  28. Re:Repeat by FoolishOwl · · Score: 2

    There are no more unallocated blocks. That's the point.

  29. Re:O M G by FoolishOwl · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read the headlines carefully, you'd have noticed a pattern:

    2001: IPv4 address space will run out in ten years.
    2002: IPv4 address space will run out in nine years. ...
    2010: IPv4 address space will run out next year.
    2011: Last Available IPv4 Blocks Assigned. IPv4 address space will run out later this year.

  30. Re:At least one more Class A /8 Block is free... by Dubu · · Score: 2

    The block is returned to ARIN, not to IANA. ARIN will of course keep it and - I suppose very soon - re-delegate it. TFA talks about the exhaustion of blocks at IANA (though it wrongly names ARIN there). The RIRs like ARIN still have some blocks to distribute for the next months. IPv4 exhaustion is slowly tumbling downwards through the registries to the ISPs and then companies, webhosters, etc.

  31. Re:Why can't we go after legacy space? by jeremyp · · Score: 2

    It's under my desk.

    Damn, I just accidentally kicked the power cable out.

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  32. Re:So the question is... by gmack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of it was overrated but some of it actually helped by kicking the people who needed to open their wallets. Y2K consulting was painfully expensive because it was all done at the last minute when everyone who knew what they were doing was busy. Had the same companies started even a few years earlier they would most likely have been able to get the same service at half the price.

    IPv6 is the same stupidity all over again. A few years back I worked for an isp and asked if I could try some test IPv6 deployments but was refused because no one could see a need for it in the next quarter. I don't even want to know how much work it will take them to set it up now that it is an emergency.

  33. Seems an appropriate time... by Epsillon · · Score: 2
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  34. Re:At least one more Class A /8 Block is free... by Megane · · Score: 2

    Actually, it might last a tad longer than that, since it was returned to ARIN, the North America registry. It's Asia that's been gobbling up most of the addresses lately. Notice in the summary how APNIC requested two blocks?

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  35. Re:I just talked to my ISP about this... by digitalsushi · · Score: 2

    no one answering the phone at an isp knows what their internal plans are.

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