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Last Available IPv4 Blocks Allocated
stoborrobots writes "Following on from APNIC's earlier assessment that they would need to request the last available /8 blocks, they have now been allocated 39/8 and 106/8, triggering ARIN's final distribution of blocks to the RIRs. According to the release, 'APNIC expects normal allocations to continue for a further three to six months.'"
Egypt has just given up theirs ...
triggering ARIN's final distribution of blocks to the RIRs
I think you mean triggering IANA's final distribution. ARIN is one of the 5 RIRs who will receive a final /8 from IANA.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
I seem to have failed an online IPv6 test. Should I be worried?
Unlikely, more like 'NAT' for regular users and pay extra $$$ for a real IP.
like a fox..
You can hope. In reality, consumer ISPs will probably start using NAT since they gain little from customers doing anything that requires a public IP.
The majority of customers won't notice and the rest will suffer crippled services or be asked to pay a surcharge for a non NAT IP address. That has the potential to raise revenue for ISPs rather than implementing IPv6 which would incur expenditure.
Hey, has anybody said anything witty about Egypt yet?
Remember, I said witty.
"final distribution of five /8 blocks"
If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times.
You do NOT talk about the final five!
Hi, I'm General Tutan Khamun. As commander of the Royal Camel Battalion, I was in charge of the valuable ancient artifacts of the Arab Republic of Egypt. However because of ongoing chaos in the country, numerous treasures have been lost. For a small fee, you can help me recover these artifacts and return them to their rightful owners. Please send me your contact detail$$$ and I will call you back.
May Pharaoh be with you!
Y2K was perfectly legitimate. It was only through heroic efforts that programmers were able to overcome years of managerial negligence and get the changes made in a knick of time. As is typical, since the herculean effort caused nothing to happen the world yawned and assumed the geeks were just moaning over nothing all along.
In this case, it's not a flag day where what worked a second ago no longer does. It's more along the line of pain slowly creeping up on you day by day until one day you realize it's actually excruciating.
It's been building for a few years, but few have seen the pain. In the '90s when you wanted a class C allocation, just ask and it was yours. Since then, the standards for justification have gotten tighter and tighter until you almost have to either exaggerate of consult a fortune teller to fill them out appropriately.
It WILL get worse, and it will ramp up quickly, but it won't be like Y2K might have been.
On a side note, a Y2K related issue (leap day implementing the 4 year and 100 year rule but not the 400 year rule) did result in a significant nuclear event at a Japanese fuel reprocessing facility.
I like this analogy best since vespene geysers actually have limitless capacity after depletion.
SixXS
Hurricane Electric
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How would I do that with you sitting in that backwater swamp of IPv4 with your fingers jammed in your ears prattling on about how you don't believe in that newfangled IPv6 thing and that it's probably the work of the devil?
IPv6 or Duke Nukem Forever?
The race to the consumer roll out is on!
Indeed. It's just a stupid number. How did we ever manage to get ourselves into a position where we could run out of numbers.
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where are IPV6 routers and modems??
Where are the router firmware updates with IPV6? What about all the Cable and DSL modems? What about cable boxes? they get IP's and run on the cable network.
Pretty sure you can still mine vespene gas after it's depleted, just has lower yields.
multi level NAT will brake alot of stuff!
Damn it! I just figured out how to subnet without a calculator and now this!!
I can't undertand why we can't ask legacy holders to give some accounting for their space usage. Take the US Postal Service, for example. Give each of the estimated 43,000 ZIP codes out there its own IP address, and that won't even fill a /16. And yet they have 56/8? Surely they don't need that much. Is there language in these old distributions that prevents the possibility of them being audited and revoked? And even if we don't go after mismanaged /8 space, registries certainly have an obligation to go after "portable space" assigned to companies which are now defunct or whose IP space has otherwise gone unused and even unannounced for a significant period of time.
Get off my launchpad!
I note that IANA has classified 240/8 - 255/8 (well 254/8 really - 255 is for broadcasts) as reserved for future use. Is not the future now?
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Maybe we can recycle Egypt's, they don't seem to want them...
Too bad nobody actually has the guts to do that. Take everything allocated to Egypt and give it to someone else. If they complain, just say "You shut down the Internet in your country, you obviously didn't want them anymore."
Not anymore they don't... (In StarCraft II, gas properly runs out just like minerals do)
Going to update http://xkcd.com/195/ ?
- Chuq
Take everything allocated to Egypt and give it to someone else. If they complain, just say "You shut down the Internet in your country, you obviously didn't want them anymore."
So you would take away the Egyptian peoples' IPv4 access forever, because their tyrannical ruler engaged in Internet censorship?
I'm not sure I see the logic behind that.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Y2K was perfectly legitimate. It was only through heroic efforts that programmers were able to overcome years of managerial negligence and get the changes made in a knick of time.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all. -- God, (Futurama, 2002)
Too bad nobody actually has the guts to do that. Take everything allocated to Egypt and give it to someone else. If they complain, just say "You shut down the Internet in your country, you obviously didn't want them anymore."
That could be reasonable... however, the RIR community that has the power to make that decision is AfriNIC. They won't consider it due to the permanent damage it would cause.
If Egypt permanently disconnects, and if they revoked the IP addresses, they would be available for further assignments in the African region, but I don't think there is that much demand for IP space in that region, so the result is the IPs would sit unused for 1-2 years, probably.
Everywhere. Pretty much all good routers are IPv6 capable, just not out of the box (unfortunately). You have to do things like put the DD-WRT open source firmware on them. On the plus side though, if you do that you don't just get IPv6, you additionally pretty much turn your home router into an enterprise router.
Note that some companies like Buffalo are starting to ship their routers with DD-WRT on them by default, so we are starting to see IPv6 enabled routers out of the box. As for the other companies, they are probably holding off in the hopes that people are forced to buy more routers from them in the future, rather than running what they currently have. Once the public becomes aware that IPv6 is a desirable feature, then they will start selling them.
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
This is a repeat from the last ten years, every year.
More will be allocated from some unallocated/untouched block, we'll forget about it for a while, and panic next year when this shitstorm starts again.
Just push v6 already, for fuck's sake, I'm sick of this panicky shit.
"A strong CIDR please, I'm exhausted"
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
SFA? QQ? WTF?
I was floored. "Until"??? That's like not bothering to buy toilet paper until you need to use the restroom *after* you've already run out.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
UBM just gave back the 45.0.0.0/8 block . It's not a small block and it's available, only 256 of these blocks exists and once you pull out the 0.0.0.0, 127.0.0.0/8, 255.255.255.255 and multi-cast blocks this return counts. What other blocks have been returned and aren't counted as free?
Edited: whois 45.0.0.1
NetRange: 45.0.0.0 - 45.1.255.255
CIDR: 45.0.0.0/15
NetName: SHOWNET
NetHandle: NET-45-0-0-0-1
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: DNS.INTEROP.NET
RegDate: 1991-09-09
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-45-0-0-0-1
OrgName: Interop Show Network
Try to get yourself a /24 and you'll see that there IS an effect. It used to be that if you asked for a /24 you got it with no further questions. The way it is now, I'm expecting them to start requiring the results of your last colonoscopy and your astrological chart.
The first effects of people being on dual stack will be to cap how expensive v4 addresses might get. If enough people are dual stack, there's not much chance to price gouge as they run out.
Besides that, you can't see the dancing kame on v4 :-)
To answer that seriously: it's because high-speed routing is done by ASICs (custom-designed chips) that can't easily cope with an extensible/dynamic system. You could have something similar to the Unicode system where you can have an infinite-sized address, but you can't process that in one clock cycle of a backbone router, so we have to compromise and set a very large but static size for the address. Several decades ago it was significantly more expensive to build a router that routed IPv6-sized addresses, so the compromise was much bigger than it is today.
Also, many security vulnerabilities/bugs in software are due to logical errors in handling dynamically-allocated memory. There would be an additional epic pile of fail in the computing world if internet addresses were like that.
5 more times as the RIRs run out.
Wouldn't it be better to do it anyways? AfriNIC could give them IPv6 addresses, and Egypt could get back online when they are ready.
testing out my trending skills
Do you have native IPv6 at home yet? Does your ISP support native IPv6?
Have you either installed any of the various IPv6 tunneling methods, then tested the most important websites for you, and found that they all support native IPv6?
Or, if you answered no to any of the above, have you started investing so you can afford to pay for IPv4 access? Because I'm not going to pay for you.
If anyone from google is reading this please consider preferencing sites with A and AAAA records in your search results or heck just threaten/rumor to do it.
Brilliant idea! - Use'em or lose'em!
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Just to put the rates into perspective ...
APNIC -- Asia Pacific region, have just been allocated 2 more /8's, once the final distribution is done they will have just under 6 free /8's allocated to them. This is expected to last until September ... THIS Year.
The current 'burn rate' of /8 for the world is about one every two weeks. Whatever happens IPv4 is running out of addresses RIGHT NOW and it will mean that ISPs will be running out before the end of 2012, some of them by the end of this year.
The Mayans were right. The end of the world is nigh!
Long live the world (of IPv6).
Well, I did check to see if anybody else had posted that joke, but then I had to log in again to actually post.
What is with this new Slashdot always logging me out? It seems that the cookie has changed or isn't enough to do the job.
I set Firefox to junk all cookies when I close the browser, then whitelisted the Slashdot cookies. This worked nicely for years. I can no longer even find the button to whitelist a cookie; probably a Firefox "upgrade" got rid of it to make the UI "easier" to use...???
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It'll be interesting to see how companies sitting on piles of v4's react when their hoarded addresses start looking very attractive on the black market.
Y2K was perfectly legitimate. It was only through heroic efforts that programmers were able to overcome years of managerial negligence and get the changes made in a knick of time. As is typical, since the herculean effort caused nothing to happen the world yawned and assumed the geeks were just moaning over nothing all along.
I'm sure that for many systems that was true. But to be honest, it passed with such a complete yawn that not only were all the important systems fixed, it seems all the "nice to have" systems were fixed as well. I don't think it's any exaggeration to say that many people and companies used y2k as a tool to sell companies services they didn't need or at rates that were far too high.
When you finally got the ball rolling so many IT companies had a direct profit motive in continuing the scare propaganda that it was blown out of proportion beyond the actual size of the problem. In retrospect I realized how many doomsday cult nutters got their say in the media, how many IT executives, tech pundits and others with all graveness of a funeral proclaimed this was the biggest crisis in computing ever and so on. You got the mainstream press to scare the average person in the street with what could happen, not just CEOs.
I'm not saying it wasn't real. It was big, but the crisis built around it was even bigger.
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If you read the headlines carefully, you'd have noticed a pattern:
2001: IPv4 address space will run out in ten years. ...
2002: IPv4 address space will run out in nine years.
2010: IPv4 address space will run out next year.
2011: Last Available IPv4 Blocks Assigned. IPv4 address space will run out later this year.
"So IPv6 you all know that we're almost out of v4 address space. I'm a little embarrassed about that because I was the guy that decided 32 bits was enough for the Internet experiment." -Vinton G. Cerf (Keynote at LinuxConfAU 2011)
That gets brought up every time.
A: Reclaiming those address spaces will be difficult. It would take extensive internal auditing and network reorganization to free up those address spaces.
B: At current rates, it would only buy us an extra month or two.
Mubarak: "Fellow Egyptians, I just donated all our IP addresses."
If they demand a surcharge make sure you don't pay it to your ISP.
Use a 'VPN' service for IPv4. eg: Swiss VPN give you an unfiltered public IPv4 for just 6 CHF per month.
Of course IPv6 tunnels are there for the asking.
"Hurricane Electric" will give me a 6to4 tunnel; that needs IP protocol 41 to get through to me. Works fine if I have a public IP but needs admin access to a NAT device.
I can use the anycast 6to4 address 192.88.99.1 for my 6to4 endpoint, but that's the same as a registered tunnel plus it's a bit of a pain if you have a dynamic IPv4 address.
I can use teredo but while that works properly through 'full cone' NATs (ie really dumb ones) it's anything from unreliable to completely broken for real ISP style NATs.
So has anyone got a reliable IPv6 connection through a real (ISP like, "commercial grade") NAT device, with multiple sessions going through it?
Why are you NATTING a ipv6 address in the first place? NATis very useful in certain condition because it implies an automatic firewall, but for IPV6 the one to many functinlatiy is not needed.
Many were fixed. Most of the outward signs people saw was perl cgi scripts saying it was January of 19100 and such. Interestingly I saw a few things just last year where someone had papered over a Y2K bug with a simple offset to buy 10 more years, then ignored it for 10 years.
Of course there was excess hype. Vendors always do that to push "solutions" and the press practically exists for the purpose.
Ok, we reached the end of the road and are flying without noticing yet that there is no more floor below us. What will be the first points of impact? Residential connectivity will go to nat or force the start of ipv6 there? And where? I think that in Latin America there will be available ipv4s for a lot more time than i.e. for Asia
That would require them knowing what they're talking about.
Cant have that now can we :p
IPv4 was never designed for every person on the planet having a address. It's use went outside the design parameters and would have runout a decade or more ago except for NAT. There was a time when you had to be sponsored to be able to connect to this Internet thing.
The moment there was no restrictions on who could get a address the writing was on the wall. Just be happy it's lasted as long as it has.
With great joy we consumed the full IPv4 address space and I feel like at the end of a bacchanal. I mesmerise the goodness we had.
In time, IPv6 will provide an inconceivably large address space and IPv4 will only be run for nostalgic reasons by a few bearded men and several pigeons. Inevitably, in mind, IPv4 will be parked along side the split baud rate modems we cherished so much.
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They weren't given to companies, they were given to to APNIC, the Asia Pacific regional Internet registry, so they could be split up and sold to private companies in reasonably-sized chunks.
No you can't -- when the vespene geyser is out, your peons won't enter the extractor/assimilator/refinery any more. 0 vespene extraction from that geyser.
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Some of it was overrated but some of it actually helped by kicking the people who needed to open their wallets. Y2K consulting was painfully expensive because it was all done at the last minute when everyone who knew what they were doing was busy. Had the same companies started even a few years earlier they would most likely have been able to get the same service at half the price.
IPv6 is the same stupidity all over again. A few years back I worked for an isp and asked if I could try some test IPv6 deployments but was refused because no one could see a need for it in the next quarter. I don't even want to know how much work it will take them to set it up now that it is an emergency.
Suggest you read the article first. Fully. Including links.
Cisco Reflexive ACLs have existed from before 12.2 - It's a poor man's firewall which sums up NAT accurately.
Let's not get started on the frankenstein IPV6NAT standard...
"We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run over." - Aneurin Bevan
Or they could use ULA address for internal communications and PA/PI addresses for external communications with a firewall.
I run ICL George 3 (on as emulated ICL 1900) as a hobby.
The OS, last modified in early 1980, has no Y2K bugs.
One utility program has a Y2K bug.
http://www.icl1900.co.uk/
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Y2K was legit numbnuts.
The only reason it didn't go wrong -was because a few million geeks spent a shitload of our time working our asses off fixing the problem before it could happen.
We missed a few spots - one nuclear reactor shut down things like that. But this was a real fear, based on a real problem - the fact that it didn't happen is proof of geek ingenuity and skill applied to solving a crisis before it could cause a disaster.
It's an event geeks should be thanked and celebrated for - deriding it as hype... well I guess that just proves we did our jobs too well.
The grand irony is - that the worst that could happen with running out of IPv4 was never as bad as what would have happened with Y2K if every damn geek on the planet hadn't been busy preventing it. That was before we had things like NAT.
Nowadays, the actual impact is relatively small - though it's harmful to the internet in many ways, it's not disastrous in the short term (it does the spirit of the internet much more harm - but facebook and google won't suffer).
Even then - we have the next generation technology, IPv6 is waiting. It would have been kind of cool to have finished the switch before we actually ran out of IPv4 entirely - because it's a much better internet we can build with it... but that is looking less and less likely ever year.
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If IPv6 allowed NAT just like IPv4 it would be just as broken as IPv4.
IPv4 was never designed for every person on the planet having a address
No, it was designed for every computer on the planet to have an address. At the time, four billion computers seemed vastly more than would ever be connected.
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Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
The rule is that when there are only 5 left, one is automatically earmarked for each of the five major RIRs (effectively, one /8 for each continent). The only reason they're still shown as unallocated is that IANA presumably hasn't yet decided which continent gets which /8 (which is of course mostly irrelevant, as they're just numbers). Also, http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xhtml is a rather more readable version of your link.
(1)DOCOMEFROM!2~.2'~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1"
This is a pretty good image from 2008 onwards at least. The predicted time has varied by a few months but the money has been on 2011 at least for the last three years.
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I had one that did that... like most people, the developer of it didn't realize that:
1) Perl has a time formatting command in the Posix module (strftime) (and now lots of other modules)
2) Perl's built in date function returns the year as the number of years since 1900.
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I want a IPv6 /48 prefix from my ISP. That is all. Tunnels are great for testing, but really they have had years and years and years to prepare.
Real routers don't have 'state tables'.
Ask your ISP for IPv6 access. Enable your web server/site for IPv6 day. Use a 'web bug' tracker item to identify broken thins.
visit places like http://test-ipv6.com/ to try to understand how ready you are.
Make sure if you have a tunnel, or use one, you do not add too much latency to your connection. The CDNs won't send your traffic over IPv6 if your IPv6 goes to some other continent or geographical region.
You insensitive clod. I live in the US, we've been forced to do that from the beginning.
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Why do companies like Ford Motor Company, Eli Lily & Company, Halliburton Company, Merck and Co., Inc. still each have a */8 allocation again? I can understand they may have been forward thinking back in the early 90's when the internet was just opening up, but within a few years most major organizations implemented firewalls and NAT so all they really needed was a few class C's at best.
Why do those companies listed above in particular still have such a large allocation?
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It's interesting to read what APNIC's own chief scientist thought of IPv4 exhaustion only five years ago. Quotes from that article:
"The death of IPv4 has not really killed the Internet. In fact, far from it, we've managed to make an industry around it. We've already created a business around where we are, not where we want to be. Skype is not a charity and it works in all of this muck. If it couldn't work, complain to me, but as long as it works, I don't see the problem."
and
"Anyone that is a clever economic unit will buy and sell. Anyone with class B addresses will figure out that if they band up behind a NAT, they can sell off all spare addresses. So scarcity is just a pricing function and there will be a market in address compression."
So now APNIC gets 3 out of the last 7 /8 blocks, which I know was always to be expected due to the growth in the APAC region. But one also gets the feeling that several big players are planning to purposefully delay IPv6 adoption as long as humanly possible in order to monetise the hell out of their IPv4 allocations.
Expect the net to become nice big clusterfuck of CGN and other "solutions" in the next few years before everyone finally gives up and migrates to IPv6... assuming the transition actually happens and we don't kiss end-to-end goodbye forever.
I found the problem! Some sites are using more than one!!! :)
$ nslookup
> www.google.com
Server: 10.1.4.15
Address: 10.1.4.15#53
Non-authoritative answer:
www.google.com canonical name = www.l.google.com.
Name: www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.45.105
Name: www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.45.106
Name: www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.45.147
Name: www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.45.99
Name: www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.45.103
Name: www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.45.104
Yes, but as IP space is non-transferable, the response from IANA if they try sell them will be swift and merciless.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Many of those were allocated under legacy terms which failed to clarify that netblocks are leased, not owned. They also failed to include utilisation requirements in the terms back then. They were changed like 10 years ago or so, but since the allocation agreement couldn't be retroactively modified, they can't reclaim those blocks - because in the eyes of the law, the companies with those blocks own them.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Wouldn't it be better to do it anyways? AfriNIC could give them IPv6 addresses, and Egypt could get back online when they are ready.
It would be better to do so, if it looks like Egypt will be disconnected for an extended period.
If Egypt is disconnected for 30 days or more, then the RIR should start asking questions. And prepare to take measures to reclaim IPs.
Longer than 60 days, then IP revokation/usage review should definitely start.