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More Trouble Expected When Egypt Comes Back Online

schliz writes "Net activists at Telecomix are preparing darknets, encryption, proxies and VPNs to protect Egyptians' online freedom when the Government-imposed Internet blackout ends. Today, Telecomix regarded Egypt as being on "the same level as North Korea and Burma in internet censorship" amid rumours that Egyptian phone lines were to be shut down. Analysts and the Internet Society have also warned of technical and business difficulties to come — including BGP churn and commercial fears of doing business in Egypt."

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  1. A Straw Vote! by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who's all in favor of modifying the constitutions of every Western country to read:

    "Any attempt by government to in any way censor or limit or shut down the Internet will lead to immediate execution of said members of the Executive and Legislature by having their heads repeatedly smashed in by a circa-1995 Cisco router."

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    1. Re:A Straw Vote! by Magic5Ball · · Score: 2

      Absolutely not; for similar reasons to why advocating political murder of JA and circumvention of due process are frowned upon.

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    2. Re:A Straw Vote! by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      having their heads repeatedly smashed in by a circa-1995 Cisco router.

      We're gonna need a lot more circa-1995 cisco routers...

    3. Re:A Straw Vote! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      circumventionn of due process?

      did we do that 200+ yrs ago fighting england? we didn't like the way things were, we fought back and this included guns and violence.

      we look at it as a symbol of freedom.

      but now, you wont allow a new one if its NEEDED and called for?

      how sad. you have learned nothing from our history.

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    4. Re:A Straw Vote! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not in favor of that at all. It's a horrible idea. How dare you suggest doing such violence to circa-1995 Cisco routers!

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    5. Re:A Straw Vote! by Caerdwyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interesting. And when did you first know that you could tell the future?

      On the day we learned to study the past.

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    6. Re:A Straw Vote! by skarphace · · Score: 2

      It would simply the immediate and permanent elimination of any politician who tries to foil civil liberties

      Oh cool, defend civil liberties by taking people's civil rights. Great solution, dude.

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    7. Re:A Straw Vote! by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but now, you wont allow a new one if its NEEDED and called for?

      There's a difference between a revolution (which you seem to be advocating) which replaces the goverment, and enshrining circumvention of due process and political murder into an existing constitution.
       

      how sad. you have learned nothing from our history.

      People in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.

    8. Re:A Straw Vote! by Teancum · · Score: 2

      "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

      I think the details and principles are there, although I do like the idea of specific legislation that somehow makes it a criminal offense for a government official to be specifically prosecuted for censorship in violation of these principles. It shouldn't matter if you are communicating via paper, newsprint, broadcast television, computer networks, pigeons, or from a soap box. Speech is speech and censorship is generally a stupid thing, especially if applies to ordinary citizens in general and prohibits somebody from acting.

      Just wondering.... while it is curious that everybody is complaining about Mubarak here, does this apply to any freedoms that Julian Assange should enjoy too?

  2. What'a a darknet? by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a feeling we'll need one in the US very soon (sometime this decade).

    TOR: Congress prepares to follow Egypt with internet kill switch
    http://www.itnews.com.au/News/246707,egyptians-turn-to-tor-to-organise-dissent-online.aspx

    "Appelbaum, a high-profile associate of the Wikileaks whistleblowers' site, said the "irony was rich" in how the US Government that supported the pro-democracy protesters treated him on his return to the country and the experiences of an Egyptian democracy activist who was harassed on his return to Egypt as revealed in a Wikileaks cable."

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    1. Re:What'a a darknet? by toygeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "What's a darknet? I have a feeling we'll need one in the US very soon"

      Typical. You don't know what it is but it sounds cool so we need one. Right.

    2. Re:What'a a darknet? by mob)barley · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a standalone network that is not physically connected in any way to the public networks we know of as the Internet. Learned that from a Gibson novel.

    3. Re:What'a a darknet? by timholman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Irconically it may be that in Egypt they won't need it after all. US envoy has told Mubarak they recommend him not to run again, not to participate in transition.

      There's no way the Egyptians will accept half measures from Mubarak at this point, and I doubt Mubarak is foolish enough to think they will.

      Mubarak is trying to buy time while he empties out his bank accounts and hides his loot. He'll be headed to Saudi Arabia before the week is out.

  3. Does it matter? by Snaller · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just one of our national stations have flow their news people to Egypt and set up a studio broadcasting live from the place and interviewing people on the street.

    Seems any attempt at blocking anything has long since failed . And the military are just look on, they are on the side of the protesters.

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    1. Re:Does it matter? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think they're on the side of the protesters so much as they're on the side of whoever wins. Which, in a way, seems an appropriate thing for an army to do in a case of popular revolution.

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  4. Re:Loss of power by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With that said, it's beyond me how and why people put a single ounce of trust in those who control them through force.

    Because they can control the people by force? It's not like you often have a choice. The Egyptian people are like people everywhere. Their first concern is the wellbeing of their families and themselves. You have El Presidente basically saying "I will hurt you and those you love if you dare rise against me", and then demonstrate it every once in a while, well, people learn to keep their heads down.

    Revolutions happen when that culture of fear breaks down, usually because at some point people see that the Emperor has no clothes. In the Arab states, what seems to have happened is that an already weak regime in Tunisia collapsed with relative ease, and a whole bunch of other Arabs in other states suddenly realized that maybe it wasn't THAT dangerous to throw out the dictators. Once that's been broken, once the idea of the state as this all-powerful entity no longer holds true, that's the end of the story.

    We saw it in Tunisia with Ben Ali, and we're seeing it with Mubarak. It's almost laughably ironic that Mubarak is going through the same contortions Ben Ali did just a few weeks ago. Now it's reported he'll announce that he won't run again in September, just like Ben Ali seemed to open the way for meaningful rivals for the presidency in the final days. But the time has come and gone for that, and now that the army has signaled that it's sitting this one out (other than to maintain a degree of law and order so the whole thing doesn't collapse into anarchy, which it seemed poised to do a couple of days ago), Mubarak has damned few cards left. "I promise to go real soon" is the final death rattle of a regime that no longer has the strength to hold itself erect. I suspect Mubarak is trying that as much to keep the Americans and Europeans happy with dreams of a "peaceful transfer" (read: keep the Muslim Brotherhood out) as anything else.

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  5. You'd think a business would be scared by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    How can you possibly run a business in a place where the government might shut off a crucial resource at any time?

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    1. Re:You'd think a business would be scared by dave562 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do American companies function every day? The company that I am working for is actually losing business because our clients do not want to store their data on our servers here in the United States. Everyone is concerned about the PATRIOT Act and the power it gives the government to compel disclosure of what should be private and confidential data. Although it is not exactly the same as being shut down, it goes to show that the effects of government policy are not just related to dictators in African countries.

  6. Re:You say 'when', but.... by artor3 · · Score: 2

    How do you propose the Amish get there? Horse-drawn jetliner?

  7. Egypt wasn't shut down by microbee · · Score: 5, Funny

    They just used up their monthly data caps. They will be here in the next billing cycle.

    An AT&T spokesman said.

  8. Dear Egypt by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Egypt,

    All IP addresses previously assigned to you have been revoked and given to others, since you apparently don't want them anymore.

    Thank you for helping us with the dwindling supply of IPv4 addresses.

    Sincerely,
    ARIN