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Competition Aims To Make Cybergeeks Cool

itwbennett writes "The organizers of the Cyber Foundations program have some lofty goals. In addition to identifying a new generation of security experts, they want to make cybergeeks as cool as sports stars, said Alan Paller, director of research at the SANS Institute, a sponsor of the competition. The competition includes tests in computer networking, operating systems and systems administration. Registration is open until Feb. 18. and prizes include four full-ride college scholarships sponsored by the U.S. Navy, gift certificates, and letters of recognition from governors and members of the U.S. Congress."

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  1. You can start with the name by jack2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop plastering "cyber" everywhere.

    1. Re:You can start with the name by Dayofswords · · Score: 2

      I vote 'tech guys'
      short
      understandable
      and guys is basically unisex now

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    2. Re:You can start with the name by I8TheWorm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Technosapien?

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    3. Re:You can start with the name by treeves · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but you're telling the CYBER Foundation to stop putting "cyber" on everything. Do you really think they're gonna listen?

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    4. Re:You can start with the name by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back to reality of course, the want to scam a bunch of really smart students who are most likely to be marketing resistant into believing they can be as 'cool' as their jock strap counter parts, even though career prospects means they'll be getting paid 1/10th as much, be shunned by mass media and women that pursue cash or fame will still have no interest in them.

      Reality is, if they want to convince suitable types, they will have to convince them there is a solid well paying career. That they won't get dumped or their salary package screwed with by politicians, whenever it's politically convenient. That they will have a pleasant work environment and will not be stood over by administrative political appointees seeking to claim credit for the work and blame them for the idiot political appointees mistakes.

      For the cybergeeks (argh, just die already) there are already very popular places to work for, be it google type private corporations, high tech corporations like boeing and when it comes to security, well, take your pick of multinational banks. If security is your thing not only will pay and conditions be far better at the banks but there are also many opportunities for overseas postings. Basically as you work your way through the list, only the anal left overs end up at government, except of course the main professionally paranoid government institutions which can still manage to snag a few top flight types.

      Want to promote the security industry, then sponsor a TV series targeted at mid-teen sci fi types, that isn't dumbed down and creates a false 'er' exaggerated impression of career desirability. Sponsor computer games that also give a false 'er' exaggerated impression of rewards for security success.

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    5. Re:You can start with the name by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Well, one important thing...will all of this lead to the said 'geek' get laid???

      THAT will be the major determining factor!!!

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  2. Already cool by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linus Torvalds is already cooler than any football player.

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    1. Re:Already cool by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2

      You need to update your sig, we're now on Slashdot 3.0.

  3. As cool as sports stars? by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    Sports stars, sadly, are often rich, objectifying substance abusers. While some few compete legitimately and are gentlemen, most do not embody fair competition or the kind of behavior that I, at least, think we should be encouraging in our communities, our nation, or our species. Shouldn't our real objective be to teach that accomplishments and respect for others are what make people cool, rather than to make one group cool by heightening their profile?

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  4. That's nice, but by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really if we want to improve the image of a group of people, I would like to see a conscious effort to get people to look up to scientists. We try to say that we encourage great scientific research but we can't even bother putting great scientists on stamps? Mickey Mouse has been on how many stamps, yet I don't recall ever seeing an Einstein stamp.

    But postage aside, we really end up - consciously or not - marginalizing scientists in our country. We don't give them the prestige they deserve, and we make them fight like American Idol contestants (to say nothing of the fact that many people can name more living Idol contestants than living scientists) for the kind of money that professional athletes would laugh at. Other countries hold their top researchers in great prestige; this may end up being just another sign of the decay of our empire here.

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    1. Re:That's nice, but by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hell yeah! Now science will be the latest fad with the stamp collecting crowd, bringing us cybergeeks into the spotlight! Finally we get recognition from those cool, trendy, hip & streetwise philatelists!

    2. Re:That's nice, but by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      we really end up - consciously or not - marginalizing scientists in our country.

      Indeed, I have even heard it said, possibly here on Slashdot but I'm not sure, that pursuing a career in science is similar in some respects to entering the priesthood. In order to do either, one must make a serious long term commitment, and one not easily broken, to a job which requires nearly complete devotion to the work and lifestyle at relatively low rates of remuneration. It takes a certain kind of person, whether priest or scientist, to make that sort of long term commitment to advance in their chosen profession. Many people who could do science chose instead to do something else because the sheer levels of commitment and mental effort involved are just too harsh to seriously contemplate as a profession without relatively comparable compensation, advancement prospects or job security. They may remain interested in scientific and technical topics as a hobby or side interest, but they choose a different way of earning their living.

  5. It's about damn time!!! by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 2

    When I hacked my first Gibson using an Osborne 1 and its Modem Peripheral all I got when I bragged about it to the captain of the high school football team was an atomic wedgie.

  6. Re:Geeks should stay "geeks". by Bieeanda · · Score: 2

    You seem bitter. Wedgie riding up today?

  7. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If geeks were cool they wouldn't be geeks. Part of being a geek is the whole uncoolness thing.

    Besides which, "performing useful/important work" will disqualify you from being cool and popular. We'd rather pay people millions of dollars to chase a football around and thousands of dollars to secure vital infrastructure.

    Our priorities are so fucked up like that. If we had severe natural selection competition from a competing species, we'd deserve to die out. We idolize and worship our most useless elements while oppressing and ridiculing our most useful.

  8. F* that. by digitalhermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sick of this self-perpetuating bullshit that says geeks can't be athletic or interesting or cool (where "cool" means relatively unconcerned about what other people think about them) . Geeks are fascinating. They travel. They build things. They do interesting things with electricity and power motors. They make films, design cars, hike volcanoes, enter sporting events.

    Being socially inept does not make one a geek. Certainly some geeks could give a rat's ass about how they appear to others, so they come off as anti-social, but that's often by choice. Boring chatter about the weather and the local sports team is fine, but boring is boring, and geeks often have better things to do.

    Being non-athletic does not make one a geek. Yes, many geeks associate working out with some desperate attempt to impress others or the opposite sex (or the same sex if you swing that way) and just say no, but who can blame them?

      I may or may not be a geek, who the hell knows or cares. But I do know that labels are a sad attempt to compartmentalize *people*.

  9. Oh great, this thread again by definate · · Score: 2

    Oh great, this thread again. Seems like every time a cyber word is used, a cyber-bully rears their head, and cyber-comments about how cyber shouldn't be used all the time. This always just turns into cyber-rage.

    Stop cyber-hatin', and start cyber-lovin'!

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  10. Re:That's fine and all but.... by Unkyjar · · Score: 2

    I got several full ride scholarships while I was in high school. And I'm pretty sure winning them didn't make me any cooler with any clique in high school but my own.

    I also don't think the wealth is why people idolize sports and entertainment stars today, not that it isn't a factor, but there is money in plenty of professions where people aren't idolized. I think it's more the attention and in many cases respect, but they get attention and respect because people idolize them, which is leading me around kinda recursively.

    The question I have is how did the entire industry go from being disrespected to being respected. That process could probably be the subject of an entire book that I wish I could read. I think it was partially due to the news looking for something to talk about, partially due to people escaping bad times by living vicariously through stories and games so they can taste a bit of victory and joy in their otherwise drab lives. There are probably plenty of other factors too that I'm not thinking of.

    But whatever the change was, it wasn't from the changes of the attitudes of the kids but the attitudes of the adults that brought it about.

  11. About damn time... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

    I'm tired of being the only cool cybergeek ;P

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  12. Rated Cool By US Government by dugeen · · Score: 2

    Anyone who thinks an official endorsement of coolness has any desirability has misunderstood the concept of 'cool'.