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'Death By GPS' Increasing In America's Wilderness

An anonymous reader writes "Every year, more and more Americans are dying in deserts and wildernesses because they rely on their GPS units (and, to some degree, their cellphones) to always be accurate. The Sacramento Bee quotes Death Valley wilderness coordinator Charlie Callagan: 'It's what I'm beginning to call death by GPS ... People are renting vehicles with GPS and they have no idea how it works and they are willing to trust the GPS to lead them into the middle of nowhere.'"

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  1. Please take responsibility for your life. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, folks, you're traveling between Portland OR and Las Vegas NV, and your GPS says the most direct route is over some gravel Forest Service road in the Eastern Oregon mountains... In the winter... You take it? Really?

    Your GPS takes you down some deserted desert road that peters away into sand in the mifddle of Death Valley... Really?

    There's not much you can do about MORONS, one way or another, they may kill themselves.

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    1. Re:Please take responsibility for your life. by corsec67 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      their manufacturers don't tend to advertise their capabilities as "may be wrong"

      All of the Garmin Nuvi GPS units I have had have a warning screen that shows every single time that it is turned on saying this.

      This probably is more a feature of people liking to be getting orders, even when those orders are wrong.

      Not to say that I am immune. I have found my self going down roads where if my GPS quit I would only have a vague idea of how to get home from that location.

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    2. Re:Please take responsibility for your life. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plain ol maps don't tell you they 'may be wrong' either. It comes with the territory. No matter what you are using for a guide - maps, mystic revelations, signs from God - you still still have to look out the windshield and think occasionally. In the Olden Days when I did Search and Rescue in Colorado we didn't have GPS. We had maps. And we ended up pulling out idiots from all sorts of places because the 'map told them' they could get from one abandoned mining town to another over a 13000 foot pass in a Volkswagen.

      And your second wish has been granted. There are a number of iPhone apps which do allow you to download maps before you head out. Very classy. Garmin ought to be scared - the iPhone is a hell of a lot better GPS than my Oregon 400: better display, better GPS chip, better battery life (really!). The only advantage that the Garmin has is that it's completely waterproof and I can carry a passle of AA batteries with me.

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    3. Re:Please take responsibility for your life. by Swampash · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Kims didn't use a GPS, they used a paper map.

  2. Re:Darwin would be proud. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    GPS is just a theory. I subscribe to Intelligent Directionism.

  3. Bear Grylls don't need no stinkin' GPS by Lucas123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He'd hold two sticks up to the sun, determine his location and time to destination ... then eat a few grubs and squeeze a shot of water from some animal dung.

    1. Re:Bear Grylls don't need no stinkin' GPS by Luminary+Crush · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... and then he'd pack it in for the day, take the camera crew out for a nice dinner at the nearest steakhouse, check into his hotel and be all fresh for the next day's shoot.

      Bear is at best entertainment (think 'fear factor' outdoors), at worst a fraud. A real "survivorman" is Les Stroud, who packs in all his own gear and films everything himself, alone... and actually stays out in the wilderness for the duration.

    2. Re:Bear Grylls don't need no stinkin' GPS by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative

      Les doesn't have that luxury; he can't even contact help. If he doesn't show up in the seven days, they go look for him.

      Les isn't that crazy, he's stated several times that he does take a locater device with him but it's only used in an extreme emergency. However the rest of it is true. He doesn't have anyone with him and he does everything on his own - including the multi-angle and long-distance shots.

      There have been quite a few "shock factor" things that Bear Grylls has done that will probably get you killed if you did them out in the wilderness. For example, that whole thing about putting urine up your rectum is a horrible idea. The amount of water you could absorb that way would be negligible and you risk perforating the mucosa of the rectal wall and/or introducing infection.

      Perhaps Bear Grylls really does know something about survival techniques but he throws in so many crazy ideas that it's tough to separate what's sensible from what's radical. Les Stroud walks you through the concepts and presents you with solid ideas for survival that have the best chance for getting you out alive, even if they aren't flashy.

  4. Re:Kill It Before It Dies by royallthefourth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you actually talk like this in person, then you are probably the most disgusting, insufferable asshole that anyone around you has ever met.

  5. who can forget the nightmare of james kim by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kim

    this story haunts me. because i could have done this. any of us could

    and for those of you assholes talking about the darwin awards or death by stupidity: i think arrogant hubris is a pretty good candidate gene for being weeded from the homo sapiens gene pool. when stories like these arise, there's two types of people: those who feel saddened at a pointless death, aka, human beings, and those who think that the occasion is an opportunity to trumpet how smart they are, aka, assholes with an ego problem and lacking empathy

    you're so fucking smart and immune to tragedy, huh? until a tragedy happens to you or yours. try showing some basic simple respect for the dead, asswipes

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    1. Re:who can forget the nightmare of james kim by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure anybody can make a bad decision at any time, but it doesn't mean the mistake isn't stupid. Death by stupidity is a normal part of life. It's not an issue of being inherently smarter. It's an issue of "somebody's going to do it". Ideally, the survivors learn from the mistakes of others and don't repeat history.

      Instead of returning to the exit, they consulted a highway map and picked a secondary route that skirted the Wild Rogue Wilderness, a remote area of southwestern Oregon.

      From James Kim, I learn that I shouldn't choose alternate routes that take me near wilderness unless I'm prepared to spend time in the wilderness.

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    2. Re:who can forget the nightmare of james kim by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      when i talk about lack of empathy and arrogant hubris, it helps not to come charging in and making yourself a poster child for exactly this sort of character defect

      "There is no reason I should feel saddened at pointless death"

      it's called empathy. it is the basis for all of human morality. that's the reason why you should feel saddened. other than that, a simple basic human respect for the dead is reason why you might tone down your i'm-so-smart-and-so-immune-to-simple-human-mistakes arrogant ignorance

      "It doesn't make me any less human to not give a flying fuck about that dude."

      actually, yes it does. if you lack basic human empathy you lack one the defining characteristics of what makes us human

      simple human reciprocity means i respect you, you respect me. i feel for you. you feel for me. yet you come in with your stellar social skills making the pre-emptive statement: "feel nothing for me because i feel nothing for you". what a social genius

      unless of course you believe you are immune from any need for aid or mutual support, that you are an infallible island that requires no support, even emergency, from your fellow man. then go ahead and preemptively announce your "i'm special" status. like i said, genius

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    3. Re:who can forget the nightmare of james kim by Dracolytch · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, more broadly, and more important:

      If you're lost/stranded, never leave the protection of your car.
      Please Remember What's First!

      PRWF

      Protection
      Rescue
      Water
      Food

      Importance is in order. Do not give up protection without a extremely high chance of rescue.

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  6. Re:I've been seeing this for decades now... by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When we told the operator that he was well outside the marked channels and that he had struck a rock that's clearly marked on all navigation charts, he simply replied, "Well my GPS told me to turn left here."

    I grew up living on a rocky point with reefs offshore in an area with 16 foot tides, and every couple of years my father and brother and I would rescue boaters who'd run aground. This was back when LORAN was still pretty new and GPS undreamed of, but the universal feature of people who hit the rocks was that the only navigation aid on board was--at best--a road map.

    A big part of the problem is that people are simply ignorant. If you didn't grow up in an area or haven't lived there for a long time it can be hard to appreciate the risks. And most people grow up in urban or suburban areas that effectively have no (natural) risks at all. People like that simply don't know enough to appreciate that the landscape and climate can kill them if they don't take the appropriate precautions. GPS is just an enabling device that helps that ignorance get them killed: it creates an illusion of safety and certainty that they might otherwise not have, although according to the article people were plenty able to get into trouble without it.

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  7. Re:I've been seeing this for decades now... by starfishsystems · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any competent navigator knows to treat GPS as a tool for verifying where you are. Period.

    Unless all other means of verification (visual, compass, sextant, RDF, depth sounder, radar, LORAN, dead reckoning) are unavailable, you should never rely on GPS alone.

    Boaters should be particularly suspicious of GPS devices which instruct them to "take next exit right after overpass".

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  8. How to Mess with OnStar by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

    So if you're up there on those wintery roads and bored out of your mind, try this: Drive your OnStar equipped vehicle to the middle of a large frozen lake. Press the button. Continue driving in straight lines, occasionally stopping to make square left and right hand turns. Talk to the nice lady from India (or Southern California) who has never seen ice in any amount larger than a water pitcher, and tell her you're kind of lost.

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    1. Re:How to Mess with OnStar by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Talk to the nice lady from India (or Southern California) who has never seen ice in any amount larger than a water pitcher, and tell her you're kind of lost.

      No need to work that hard, just do what I did. Run out of gas in West Texas, say between Childress and Quanah. Make it on a sunny 100-degree-plus Sunday afternoon in the middle of summer. You, too, can have a conversation with OnStar like I did!

      Me (sheepish): I ran out of gas.
      OnStar: We'll send someone right out.

      Time passes...

      OnStar: Sir, we show you near Childress, Texas, but I don't have any facilities there. What's the nearest larger town?
      Me: This is West Texas, Ma'm. There are no larger towns.

      They ended up sending out the county sheriff with a five-gallon jug of gas.

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  9. Re:gadgets suppress the preparation instinct by eltonito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I concur, but I'd also argue that certain gadgets also suppress ones danger instinct, which is highly relevant in the cases presented by the article. The stranded drivers all sensed they were making the wrong move leading up to their incidents, but they failed to act on it because they allowed the gadget pre-empted or overrode their instincts. These weren't necessarily unintelligent people, they simply trusted the technology more than their instincts which lead to a series of poor choices.

    As much as I'd love to crack jokes about Darwinism in these cases, I can look back on my life and find several instances where my reliance on a product/gadget/technology got me into trouble. I imagine most people could find similar moments somewhere in their past. The difference is that those mistakes weren't as serious, didn't get publicized and they likely didn't occur in Death Valley.

  10. Article is a little unfair.... by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article is a little unfair; to be fair it would have to subtract people saved by GPS.

    Frankly, people have always gotten lost, dating right back to at least the time Moses wandered for 40 years in the Sinai. Surely GPS has also gotten people out of trouble. The question is, what's the net effect?

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  11. Re:It happens by Americano · · Score: 4, Informative

    You understand that getting stuck in a snowdrift doesn't require a lot of snow to be on the road... right?

    Ground clearance on a lot of vehicles can be measured in inches. Skidding and getting stuck in a drift 6-12 inches deep is easy to do with front wheel drive. I've seen people skid off I-90 in northwestern Pennsylvania in snowy conditions, and get stuck in drifts while driving a hundred yards behind a snow plow / sand truck. I-90 is a major interstate, and the road was about as clear as it's going to get in snowy conditions.

    The real danger would be that, on a seasonal road, it may be very difficult to find any assistance to get yourself hauled *out* of the snowbank.

  12. His primary bad decision was moving by sirwired · · Score: 4, Informative

    I remember when I was in Boy Scouts, our leader told us to ignore any advice you might have heard about finding your way back to civilization if you are lost. If somebody, somewhere, has some remote clue as to where you might be (and thinks to have someone search), you are 100% better off not going anywhere. You probably are not as lost as you think, and are likely not far from where you were trying to be. The best way for somebody to find you is for you not to go even farther away.

    Yes, by moving you may, by dumb luck, blunder back to where you need to be, but you are far more likely to simply end up getting more lost and hard to find.

    And never, ever, abandon your car if you are lost. It contains all sorts of useful resources and is rather larger (and easier to find) than you wandering about the woods alone, passed out under a tree. It contains a conveniently large tank of liquid firestarter, and if you carry a couple of basic tools, a large amount of nice insulation in the form of your seat cushions and carpeting. In the heat, the underside is perfectly good shade (if a little cramped.)