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Iran's New Space Program

eldavojohn writes "Coinciding with the 32nd anniversary of the Iranian revolution, Iran opened a center to receive satellite images built 'entirely by Iranian engineers.' Iran promised that by the end of their year (March of 2011) they would launch two observational satellites: Fajr (Dawn) and Rasad-1 (Observation-1). You might recall two years ago when they launched Omid, which completed about 700 orbits in two weeks. There are reports that new launch rockets will be revealed in February to launch the new satellites — all equipment is claimed to be entirely Iranian made. Iranian media is reporting that one of the satellites 'carries remote measuring equipment that would be used in meteorology and identifying sea borders.' The Iranian Student News Agency says Explorer 4 (Kavoshgar 4) is meant to transport humans and other living organisms into space, and that the sensory on the satellites 'is able to find gas and oil resources, identify coal mines, jungles and agricultural products as well as salty-marsh and contaminated environments.' These rapid fire achievements are not the only bragging Iran has done as of late; they also claim 'new gamma radiation units for medical treatments and a supercomputer billed as among the top 500 most powerful in the world. But, fact or fiction aside, the satellites have old enemies speculating."

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  1. Orbital nukes in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... by olsmeister · · Score: 2

    But I guess what Stuxnet is for.

    1. Re:Orbital nukes in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... by turing_m · · Score: 2

      Having a working ICBM would be a great way to prevent your country from being "liberated", or at least your oil from being liberated. Provided the ICBMs don't do a boomerang.

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  2. Built by Engineers? by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somehow, I had a mental image of a bunch of engineers trying to erect a building. None survived.

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  3. Yes, Russia better worry the most by rednip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've never understood why the Russian leadership seems willing to arm it's most crazy neighbor to the south. It's not like they don't already have an islamist problem.

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    1. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by Aaron+England · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because instability in the Middle East raises oil prices and as of 2009 Russia surpassed Saudi Arabia as the world's largest oil exporter.

    2. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by Smauler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Iran is not crazy. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. The government is pretty hard line in some instances, but the populace isn't generally. In my opinion crazy is starting wars.

    3. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by khallow · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the last 20 years there have been significantly more successful attacks on US soil by Christian extremists (primarily in the form of attacks on abortion clinics) then their have been by Islamic extremists.

      What's the body count? Last I checked, the Islamist extremists killed over two orders of magnitude more people than the anti-abortion people. The second biggest known terrorist attack (the Oklahoma City bombing) was anti-government not Christian. EgyptAir 990 might qualify as a terrorist attack. After that, you're into nuts with guns territory.

      If we look overseas we see a number of high casualty bombings in Europe and a ridiculous amount of bloodletting throughout the Middle East. You can talk about how scary the Christians are, but where's the countries with high death rates from Christian extremists? The Islamists have killed lots of people in Algeria, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Nothing in the Christian world compares to that.

    4. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC couple months ago, an american christian preacher went to Uganda and preached about the righteousness of killing homosexuals, dozens have been hanged and stoned and laws have been drafted with the death penalty for homosexuality in response.

    5. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      A piece of Geography rarely is.

      Rosie O'Donnell begs to differ.

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    6. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Russia has a problem with radical Sunni (Salafi / Wahhabi) insurgency. Iran is not a threat there, because those folks hate Iran (which is Shiite) just as much if not more. Aside from that, there isn't anything for two countries to fight over, and they can back each other (and China) in UN versus US and its Western allies.

    7. Re:Yes, Russia better worry the most by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Amen to that, brother.

      Of all the insanity on Slashdot, the thing that probably drives me the most crazy is the number of people who reply with "The USA is just as bad" when someone complains about human rights in a totalitarian nation. (And no, I'm not American.) Could the USA do a lot better in the human rights department? Absolutely. Are they orders-of-magnitude better than many, many, many places on this planet? Also absolutely.

  4. congratulations are by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in order to iran, the islamic nation with an apparently insatiable appetite for science! I hope the pictures and data from the satellites are released publicly as well as perhaps their beacon frequencies? (to listen in on them as they traverse the skies, i know, im an amateur radio geek.)

    the medical equipment is fascinating too...are they based on any current designs? do they take advantage of any FLOSS?

    and being a tech nerd I cant wait to get specs on the new supercomputer too...are they soliciting any CPU time for college projects? what is its ultimate goal/architecture/performance metrics?

    and if you're wondering when politics plays into all of this, it doesnt. I dont care what the russians are doing, what the mullas are barking, or what the israelis are doing because this is nerd news.

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  5. Why all the hate? by AtomicDevice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every time I read a story about technological advancement in some [non friendly to the US] nation it's always portrayed in the light of "Oh crap, dirty brown people are getting their hands on technology OMFG THEY'RE GONNA NUKE US"

    What's up with that? What possible use could a stable, financially self-sufficient nation have for nuking a much larger nation (who has a lot more nukes)? I know people like to portray them as crazies and always extract the most radical-when-translated-and-taken-out-of-context quotes about how these countries/groups of people want nothing more than to wipe Israel and the US off the map, but I find it hard to believe that the leaders of such countries have any serious plans to this effect. I'm sure it drums up some good publicity in certain mainly arab nations, but every politician likes to talk big, few like to ask a country to pay for a dangerous and expensive war with a nearby nation.

    Maybe if we worked with countries like Iran instead of just antagonizing them to the max and declaring their religious government illegitimate (even though the only reason they don't have the secular government they used to have is because we installed the shah because they weren't doing what we wanted, oops!).

    If you're feeling threatened by someone, perhaps you should examine why they don't like you - is it because you are always a dick to them? Maybe don't be such a dick? (and apologize for forcibly removing their democratic government just so you could get a bigger piece of the money cake)

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    1. Re:Why all the hate? by cptdondo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Stable? At the last election, government forces killed some 36 people demonstrating against vote fraud.

      That's not the mark of a stable government; that's a mark of a totalitarian regime that will kill to stay in power.

      That's why it's bad when they get nukes.

      I for one believe that trade is the best binder; sooner or later we won't be able to go to war against China because we simply won't have the industrial base to support ourselves (and I'm not talking weapons but shoes. How long would a US president last if the voters couldn't buy shoes? )

      Let's bind Iran in a web of trade so they can't go to war with us. The problem is that we really don't have anything they want....

    2. Re:Why all the hate? by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know people like to portray them as crazies and always extract the most radical-when-translated-and-taken-out-of-context quotes about how these countries/groups of people want nothing more than to wipe Israel and the US off the map, but I find it hard to believe that the leaders of such countries have any serious plans to this effect. I'm sure it drums up some good publicity in certain mainly arab nations, but every politician likes to talk big, few like to ask a country to pay for a dangerous and expensive war with a nearby nation.

      Iran has been bankrolling Hezbollah for years and years now. I agree that starting a nuclear war isn't very likely, but the Iranian regime has gone beyond mere rhetoric into driving violence.

    3. Re:Why all the hate? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      I don't think there's any worry that Iran will nuke the United States. That would just be completely stupid on their part.

      The worry is that some of their nuclear technology might fall into the hands of some extremist group that would have no qualms about setting off a nuke in the middle of a city just to send a message. When someone blows themselves up using a regular bomb there's enough debris left over to have a good idea of who might have done it. Even a small nuclear device would cause enough destruction that there's going to be nothing left of the person, vehicle used for delivery, and ground zero to have any real clue. We'd have to base everything around the intelligence that's been gathered and that's not always very accurate. It can help corroborate an explanation, but you've seen what happens when we take action based solely on intelligence reports. It might not happen, but it's semi-plausible. It's probably even more likely to happen to Israel.

      Otherwise your post is spot on. Of course we really don't want to admit that for the last several decades we've been dicks to the rest of the world to serve our own interests. It clashes heavily with the vision of ourselves that we like to portray: leading by example, bringing democracy to the rest of the world, etc. We'll probably stop messing around with their governments, politics, and country just as soon as they run out of oil. Unless they become the next China and have a lot of western companies conducting business in their country, there wouldn't be much reason for us to stick around after that.

  6. Re:Clone the space shuttle by gblackwo · · Score: 2

    That is like arguing that every Airbus is a ripoff of a Boeing. Despite the resemblance, the technology is fundamentally different in function and design.

  7. Russian Parts, Chinese Parts... by jameskojiro · · Score: 2

    All Made in Iran.....

    (Clang).....

    To Paraphrase the first Iranian Astronaut after his retro rockets failed to fire trapping him in orbit for a few extra hours....

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    1. Re:Russian Parts, Chinese Parts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first Iranian astronaut was Anousheh Ansari, a female

  8. Re:Clone the space shuttle by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, those Soviets never did anything first in the space race.

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  9. A Tiny Bit of Compassion for the Iranian People by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe that recent military and defense transactions with "their most crazy neighbor to the south" has little to do with logic and more to do with lucrative arms deals that have recently been put on hold (I daresay in the interest of regional stability).

    To answer your question in a historical context I might point you to the horrible things that Russia and the United States did during the Cold War that essentially provided puppet theaters for their ideologies to be fought out. Why risk your citizens when you can show the world who's right with war and poverty in weaker nations? Wikipedia does a decent job of summing this up but you might look up the 1953 Iranian coup d'état followed by the 1979 Iranian revolution and surmise why it would be in Russia's best interest to keep this thorn festering in the United States' side right up until today. The Soviet War in Afghanistan, the Eastern Bloc and many other actions were basically a cowardly way of Russia and the United States putting external countries in chaos to prove who was the better country in our petty capitalism versus socialism spat (and after all that everybody's implementing a little bit of both).

    Similar to the redrawing of national/political boundaries by the Allies following World War II, we (and I mean the world, US/Russian citizens, the citizens of those countries, everybody) will for a very long time feel the pain and suffering of putting such pressures on weaker nations during the Cold War.

    When you say "it's most crazy neighbor to the south," it might benefit you to consider the pressures that added to that craziness. While the blame lies entirely on no one, everybody participated. For a somewhat more even handed introduction to Iran's problems, check out the intro to Persepolis (the movie or the manga).

    You know who's really lost a lot in all of this? The Iranian citizens.

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  10. Re:Clone the space shuttle by gfreeman · · Score: 2

    No mod points to give you, sorry, but to acknowledge your well place sarcasm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_exploration_milestones,_1957-1969#Notable_firsts

    1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile, the R-7 Semyorka
    1957: First satellite, Sputnik 1
    1957: First animal to enter Earth orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
    1959: First firing of a rocket in Earth orbit, first man-made object to escape Earth's orbit, Luna 1
    1959: First data communications, or telemetry, to and from outer space, Luna 1.
    1959: First man-made object to pass near the Moon, first man-made object in Solar orbit, Luna 1
    1959: First probe to impact the Moon, Luna 2
    1959: First images of the moon's far side, Luna 3
    1960: First animals to safely return from Earth orbit, the dogs Belka and Strelka on Sputnik 5.
    1960: First probe launched to Mars, Marsnik 1
    1961: First probe launched to Venus, Venera 1
    1961: First person in space (International definition) and in Earth orbit, Yuri Gagarin on Vostok 1, Vostok programme
    1961: First person to spend over a day in space Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (also first person to sleep in space).
    1962: First dual manned spaceflight, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
    1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
    1964: First multi-man crew (3), Voskhod 1
    1965: First EVA, by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
    1965: First probe to hit another planet (Venus), Venera 3
    1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the moon, Luna 9
    1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
    1967: First unmanned rendezvous and docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188. (Until 2006, this had remained the only major space achievement that the US had not duplicated.)
    1969: First docking between two manned craft in Earth orbit and exchange of crews, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5

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  11. Re:Clone the space shuttle by Animats · · Score: 2

    Buran is not a clone of the US space shuttle. It looks similar, but it's not. Buran is launched on a huge booster; it has no main engines of its own, unlike the US Shuttle. It's more rugged than the Shuttle, which can't handle rain or cold weather. In many ways, it's a better design. T