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Charity Raising Money To Buy Used Satellite

Zothecula writes "For those of us who live in the developed world, internet access has become pretty much a given. It's become so ubiquitous that we almost expect to have it at all times and in all places, but even in this 'Information Age,' the majority of the world's population lacks access to the internet – either because service isn't available where they are, or they can't afford it. Kosta Grammatis has a plan, however. Through his charity group ahumanright.org, Grammatis aims to set up a network of satellites that will provide free internet access to everyone in the world. He's starting by attempting to buy a single used satellite that's already in orbit and moving it to a location above a developing country."

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  1. Free access for all... by Llamahand · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...with a satellite receiver and a computer. Oh, and electricity. And probably enough food and water not to die before they get online.

    1. Re:Free access for all... by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've heard that logic before somewhere...

      Solving one deficiency can occur in a separate channel and in a separate timeframe than other deficiencies and still be valuable in any sphere where development is not wholly homogeneous. Or, put more simply, where there are some people in the developing world that have all the prerequisites and still no internet, this potentially helps them (though I'm not sure how they're even expected to receive the signals).

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    2. Re:Free access for all... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not in sub-Saharan Africa or even India.

      India has 33.77 million land lines wired, 670 million cellular phones.

      For sub-Saharan Africa, a place like Cameroon has 323,000 wired phones for a population of 19.3 million people.

    3. Re:Free access for all... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

      Most developing countries are skipping the wired land line entirely. It's much cheaper to set up cell towers and have mobile phones than to lay all the infrastructure required to give adequate coverage via land lines.

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    4. Re:Free access for all... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Developing nation" does not necessarily mean "nation filled with people who are starving and lack clothes." Additionally, it is not necessarily the case that the people targeted by this program would want Internet access in their homes; I have heard that in some very rural areas in developing nations, it is common for a village to possess a few communally owned cell phones (apparently they can get reception) which they use for long distance communications. I think it is likely that in such places, a single communal computer with an Internet connection would be greatly appreciated.

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    5. Re:Free access for all... by corbettw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only in places that already have them. Otherwise they use microwave to connect together.

      Oh, and connecting a single tower with a line is a lot more efficient than connection thousands of homes.

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    6. Re:Free access for all... by lloydsmart · · Score: 2

      Why not just use RFC 1149? ;-)

    7. Re:Free access for all... by NFN_NLN · · Score: 2

      Yeah, about that "Food and Water":

      It seems, we haven't solved that one yet in the "Richest" nation. What say you, we drop this internet crap and focus first on that basic human need right here in America?

      The hunger issue has been solved at least 4 times throughout history. In all cases as soon as hunger was no longer a limiting factor the population grew until it was again.

      1) There were enough resources in North America to feed all of Europe, until North Americans started populating
      2) Agricultural revolution brought about by "chemically synthesized inorganic fertilizers"
      3) The ability to increase farming due to "cheap oil", corn is often referred to as edible oil
      4) Norman Borlaug pioneered genetically modified crops allowing hardy wheat strains to grow in otherwise unusable land in Mexico, etc.

      In all those cases, had the population stabilized, there would have been enough food from those advancements to feed the world. In fact, those advancements are what allowed the populations to grow, proving there will always be hunger issues. It's one of the few limiting factors to our growth.

    8. Re:Free access for all... by icebike · · Score: 2

      I don't see this as being free at all,

      Quoting the story:
       

      Grammatis aims to set up a network of satellites that will provide free internet access to everyone in the world.

      Free in this case means you won't have to pay Grammatis for the bandwidth.

      Its understood that someone offering you free beer does not intend to transport you to the beer station and back, or provide you with a car to transport yourself, or that your Free Gmail account comes with a FREE computer as well as Free electricity and a free house to keep it in.

      There is very little of the world that has absolutely no electrical power. It doesn't have to be consistent. There are plenty of Islands in the South Pacific that have community power only during certain hours. But that's enough to get your email.

      I'm not sure where you were headed with this line of discussion, because these things are patently obvious.

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  2. Right... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Buying a used satellite is like buying a used bus... the only reason someone would sell it is because it has become cheaper to buy a new one than to maintain the old one!

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    1. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not quite - TFA says "Given that the company that owns it, Terrestar, has recently filed for bankruptcy, it may soon be up for sale."

    2. Re:Right... by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Buying a used satellite is like buying a used bus... the only reason someone would sell it is because it has become cheaper to buy a new one than to maintain the old one!

      Nice quip, but it isn't true.

      First of all, satellites don't have maintenance, unless it is something like the hubble telescope. You don't call your local tech support guy and have him fly up there and fix some wiring. If they don't work, you de-orbit them. So the maintenance cost is zero.

      Next, "cheaper to buy a new one" is unlikely to be true given the launch costs.

    3. Re:Right... by Anachragnome · · Score: 2

      "...the only reason someone would sell it is because it has become cheaper to buy a new one than to maintain the old one!"

      I fully expect some ISP out there to outbid these guys on the satellite simply to keep it out of their hands. Hell, they could drop a few million on the thing and simply let it rot in space--as long as the competition hurts more then them in the process, they still win.

      Either that, or they simply lobby Congress to block the purchase for whatever reason, probably for something along the lines of "unfair business practices" simply because free is too hard to compete with.

      Great idea (really!), but there are simply too many competitors with a lot more capital to spend, and as far as I know, bankruptcy courts will require open bidding on assets which means these guys will need a lot more then $150k. Any legal eagles out there able to clarify?

  3. Internet Access Is NOT A Human Right!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These guys de-value what a human right actually is with this silly notion. It's simply a service, one that must be paid for, maintained and serviced.

    Nuff said.

  4. Woot! by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    The moment some impoverished person starts sharing a shitty screener of True Grit, the MPAA will have a missile launched at the satellite.

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  5. Riiiiight.... by twebb72 · · Score: 2

    As soon as they get a couple 100,000 users (most of which will likely be in developed nations, just don't wanna pay) they'll figure out a way to start charging. No ISP is free.

  6. This might be the answer to the Kill Switch by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we had the satelites above then it might be possible to bypass the kill switch in any country. Remove the Kill Switch option through parallel paths.

    1. Re:This might be the answer to the Kill Switch by vlm · · Score: 4, Funny

      If it gets to the point that a government has and uses a kill switch chances are they won't blink at having to shoot a satellite down.

      Its harder to do that you'd think. If a countries greatest achievement is a giant pile of rocks, they're probably not going to be successful.

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  7. Re:be more like Tonga by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interestingly enough, Tonga is also the location that Interorbital Systems decided would serve best for their launch site because the country was so friendly to the idea of developing the space industry. Each time I hear about it I learn a little bit more about this interesting little country.

  8. Re:Moving a geosync satellite, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm glad someone else posted this. Is it even possible to a geosynchronous satellite?

    One time I accidentally a whole geosynchronous satellite.

  9. Re:Moving a geosync satellite, eh? by bugs2squash · · Score: 2

    Yes, commercial satellites can be moved to different orbital positions and occasionally are. For example to replace a failed satellite with an in-orbit spare or to deploy it to a new market or even to kick it out of its orbital slot at the end of its life. However, it may deplete the station keeping fuel (perhaps hydrazine gas) which may mean it then has less fuel to remain on station and hence a reduced residual service lifetime. I say may, because it may be that a highly inclined (ie, allowed to drift off-position) orbit is quite acceptable and can be tracked form the ground for this purpose and so something running on the last fumes of hydrazine might suffice. Or maybe the satellite they buy has an alternative propulsion system (ion drive perhaps).
    It seems to me that a satellite with plenty of fuel remaining might not fall into the clunker category; so if they're looking for something with more than 5 or so years of life they might do much better to ask a university to launch something tailored to their exact need, maybe into low earth orbit.

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  10. You don't know anything... by mangu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Buying a used satellite is like buying a used bus... the only reason someone would sell it is because it has become cheaper to buy a new one than to maintain the old one!

    If you believe that, you don't know anything about the satellite communications business.

    I've been working at this for over a quarter of a century, and let me tell you that there are many factors that would influence buying a used satellite.

    - How much remaining lifetime does it have?
    - Do I need it right now, or can I wait the 2 years+ it would take to build a new one?
    - Is it in inclined orbit?
    - What's the coverage footprint?
    - What's the frequency plan?
    - What's the EIRP?
    - What's the receive G/T?
    - Do I have the landing rights?
    - Does it have failed transponders, or any other failure?

    It often happens that one has a satellite that will be perfect for someone else, but for our own specific purpose we need a replacement.

  11. Re:Not a right by blair1q · · Score: 2

    The Internet is a right. Finland made it a legal right. The UN says it's a human right. French courts have ruled it's a fundamental right. The US told Egypt it's a right. 80% of Earthers polled say it's a right.

    Cutting off people's communications to dull their abilty to wage politics is one of those things no government should have the right to do. And that means that the internet is a right.

    Now, since the internet requires infrastructure, there's some question as to how it gets built out to you, but that's logistics, not law. Nobody said the "free" in "freedom" meant "gratis". Once you have access to it, the government can't arbitrarily take that away. That's what rights are.

  12. Progression built on the things that came before by slapout · · Score: 2

    There's a reason our society has progressed to the point of having internet access almost everywhere -- it has been built on all the things that came before it. We developed clean drinking water systems, sanitation, roads, markets, all of which lead us to a point where we not only had the tech to have internet everywhere -- but also the time to use it since we don't have to worry about all the other things.

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  13. Buy This Satellite by Tx · · Score: 2

    The Buy This Satellite site was mentioned on The Register a couple of months ago; that's the fundraising site for this project. I'll let The Register article speak for itself as far as casting doubt on the viability, but I think you get the gist from the headline; "Crazed buy-a-satellite-for-the-poor scheme raises $16k - Only a $hitload and a clue to find now"

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