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Secret Plan To Kill Wikileaks With FUD Leaked

An anonymous reader writes "Three information security consultancies with links to US spy agencies cooked up a dirty tricks campaign late last year to destroy Wikileaks by exploiting its perceived weaknesses, reads a presentation released by the whistleblowers' (pdf) organization that it claimed to be from the conspirators. Consultants at US defense contractors Palantir Technologies, Berico Technologies and HBGary proposed to lawyers for a desperate Bank of America an alliance that would work to discredit the whistleblowers' website using a divide and conquer approach. Since the plan was hatched, disgruntled volunteers mentioned in the PDF broke away from Wikileaks, financial institutions withdrew services, [Jacob ] Appelbaum was harassed by the US government, and Amazon denied service to Wikileaks' website."

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  1. Possibly from the HBGary Federal Hack? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There was a really good article at Ars Technica this morning that covers chronologically the events relative to HBGary Federal's tangle with Anonymous. I know it's against Wikileak policy to release the source of the leak but I'm guessing that the accessing of large amounts of HBGary Federal's servers might be a potential source of this plan.

    Of course the motivation for infiltrating Anonymous was profit as Arron Barr said in an e-mail:

    Step 1 : Gather all the data

    Step 2 : ???

    Step 3 : Profit

    Sort of an amusing story and very easy to see where Mr. Barr made the error of becoming part of this event (demonstration or debacle depending on your views) and seeking media attention. Pretty clear he was in over his head and doing his own thing thinking he was dealing with three individuals who were two bit morons. It almost deserves the cheesy "hunters have become the hunted" movie tag line. Well, the soft hack of HBGary Federal appears to be providing more than enough material for this to be a focus of media attention, congratulations are in order for Mr. Barr and let's all wish him the best of luck with step three. He's gonna need it!

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  2. Secret Plan? by Haedrian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh so this was a secret plan was it?

    Was it commissioned by the ministry for the bloody obvious?

    1. Re:Secret Plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Small problem, for anyone but a idiot :
      Wikileaks likely has more credibly than any lawmaker , politician or US based news agency or anything the government might say.or write

    2. Re:Secret Plan? by camperslo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's seems that ways of countering access to information are on the minds of many.

      We certainly heard a few things about the significance of and attempts to control the flow in Egypt. We don't hear so much about Cuba. It got my attention when someone posted that the events in Egypt weren't getting covered there.

      http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2011/02/07/u-s-attacking-cuba-through-wi-fi-hot-spots.html

      (translated text of video)
      http://translatingcuba.com/?p=7111#more-7111

      (the video, in Spanish)
      http://vimeo.com/19402730

    3. Re:Secret Plan? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It was obvious what to do. It was not that obvious that this was being implemented.
      It is nice to sometime have a reminder that there ARE conspiracies happening out there. Not all of them are crackpot theories.

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      The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    4. Re:Secret Plan? by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      unlike journalism in the US and well known US propaganda, wikileaks actually validates information before they put it up.

    5. Re:Secret Plan? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Credibility with who? College Sophomore, standing at a lit table in the Student Center? Certainly!

      Anybody else? Possibly.

      Credibility with major newspapers across the world, who (re)publish content from wikileaks, and their readership.

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      If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
    6. Re:Secret Plan? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Was it commissioned by the ministry for the bloody obvious?

      Obvious to some perhaps, but an absurd conspiracy theory to others. However, these documents provide hard evidence of mafia-like activities by corporations.

      The documents are the definitive proof that private companies engage in the shadiest and most scurrilous of activities in an effort to further their own goals. It is the definitive proof that even in our age, private interests abuse their privileges and powers. The proof that a corporate underworld exists, that it attacks and abuses citizens, and that the law does not protect us from it.

      Our society is based on several things, among them free speech and the rule of law. If private companies actively undermine these principles in the ways that this document proves, then why should we tolerate their continued state of existence?

      There are those who say that we should not tolerate communists or islamists because they actively seek to undermine our way of life. I wonder where those people are right now?

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    7. Re:Secret Plan? by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

      Evil geniuses always reveal their secret plan to the hero before failing to kill them.

  3. Gandhi by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
      Mahatma Gandhi

    Looks like were at part 3 now.

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    What are we going to do tonight Brain?
    1. Re:Gandhi by corbettw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At its root, though, Gandhi's fight was a fight over ideas (Indian sovereignty and all that that encompasses vs. British imperialism). He also was not the only leader of the Indian revolution, there were others and not always with fully-compatible goals in mind (which, in some cases, eventually led to the creations of Burma and Pakistan). So his quote may be more on the mark regarding Anonymous and Wikileaks vs. the established powers than you might be giving credit for.

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  4. Dear Wikileaks, by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would appear that a variety of groups, representing a de-facto merger of state and corporate power, are allied to destroy you.

    On a scale from "1" to "highly ironic" how would you describe this confirmation of your assertion that the "representative" goverments actually pend a lot of time doing dirty deeds in the shadows?

    1. Re:Dear Wikileaks, by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even the parts that are classified right down to their budgets, and don't even bother filling out their statutorially required reports on what they are doing to congress?

      I apologize if this doesn't fit with the Boy Scouts' Patriotic History of America; but the US has been accumulating dubiously-accountable spook shops like its a hobby at least since the cold war, if not earlier.

    2. Re:Dear Wikileaks, by thehostiles · · Score: 4, Informative

      I doubt the major issue is that it's different than you were told as a child. It's that a vast majority of the citizens in the country _still_ believe actively that "their party" will represent them because that's what they're consistantly told.

      George Carlin put it well enough:

      "You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. The owners of this country went to the same universities and fraternities, there on the same boards of directors, they belong to the same country clubs, they have like interests, they don't need to call a meeting because they know what is good for them...and they are getting it. There used to be seven oil companies, there are now three...it will soon be two. The things that matter in this country have been reduced in choice, there are two political parties, there are a handful insurance companies, there are six or seven information centers...but if you want a bagel there are 23 flavors because you have the illusion of choice. You don't get the real important choices, you have no freedom of choice."
      - George Carlin on Politically Incorrect

  5. Obvious name by Zerth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Palantir Technologies? Really?

    Was "Mirror, Mirror, on the Wall Inc" already taken?

  6. For further information by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201106/6798/Data-intelligence-firms-proposed-a-systematic-attack-against-WikiLeaks

    Can't say I'm surprised but the tactics and manipulation they discuss but I find it outrageous all the same.

    However, the fact that they felt the need to present such a teach-yourself-how-to-destroy-wikileaks-in-21-days presentation in such a dumb manner is somewhat encouraging.

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    "Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
    1. Re:For further information by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are trying to sell themselves to the people who want to see Wikileaks die. I imagine that companies like Palantir do not really care about Wikileaks, except that Wikileaks is a great marketing point for them. Look at the tone of the second half of the presentation: everything people have tried to do to protect themselves from Wikileaks has not worked, but we are experts with experience in intelligence and counter-intelligence; we can save you (just pay us)!

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  7. Didn't take a genius to know by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The sudden appearance of rape charges, schisms and turmoil within the organization, etc. were pretty obviously concerted efforts to discredit the organization and Assange. Didn't take a genius to see it all coming after his big leaks started, or to know who was behind it. I knew a discrediting campaign was coming down back before Assange even met his "rape victims" or faced a schism.

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  8. Lawsuit anyone? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this document is genuine, this company "Palantir" has suggested and supports activities that are not only criminal in Europa but also in the US. We're talking about libel and slander, "cyber-terrorist" attacks on foreign it business and infrastructure (servers hosted in Sweden, France), and so on.

    I don't know whether the document itself gives enough grounds for a lawsuits, probably not, but if these guys do anything of what they suggest or even aid in it, and it can be traced back to them, I feel a lawsuit coming in 3...2...1...

    By the way, how are the investigations of the DoS attacks against Wikileaks server going? Any news on that?

  9. Damn that sucks for those guys by poity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Talk about a role-reversal...the discreditors become the discredited. Alas, this is a great blow to the future of the Wikileaks conversation. Now all critics legitimate and otherwise can be lumped together as part of a coordinated effort against Wikileaks. It's now easier than ever to accuse someone who demands more self-scrutiny from WL and its supporters as a "shill" or "operative". And this time we have these 3 companies to blame.

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  10. You misunderstood. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Informative
    You're right that Aaron Barr was hoping to profit from this, but he didn't write the quote you attributed to him. His coder wrote that, making fun of him because he thought of no way to profit from the dumb information that Aaron was making his coder collect. What is written before the quote you provided is:

    His programmer had doubts, saying that the scraping and linking work he was doing was of limited value and had no commercial prospects. As he wrote in an e-mail:

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    I'm a big tall mofo.
  11. December 3rd? by kevinNCSU · · Score: 5, Informative

    The plan was pitched to Bank of America on the 3rd. Amazon and EveryDNS already had withdrawn services so I think it's a stretch to try to insinuate that Paypal doing the same on the 4th is somehow related to a proposal submitted to a separate financial institution on the 3rd. It's also not entirely surprising that people pointed out to be weak links and ready to leave Wikileaks turned out to be weak leaks and decided to leave Wikileaks. This sounds like a case of some defense companies ever looking to scrape up some profits pointing out the blindingly obvious and now when a couple of the obvious things happen on their own people trying to attribute it to a successful implementation of said plot.

  12. Spurious relationship - chronology by tmk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the plan was hatched, disgruntled volunteers mentioned in the PDF broke away from Wikileaks, financial institutions withdrew services, Apelbaum was harassed by the US Government and Amazon denied service to Wikileaks' website."

    It's always nice to have a good conspiracy - but chronology is a bitch. Even before the plan was hatched, Paypal has canceled Wikileaks accounts twice, disgruntled volunteers were gruntling very publicly, Wikileaks had to change providers several times and Julian Assange reported harrassment from every government he had to deal with.

  13. Pfft. by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll say it again.

    If US intelligence agencies and their actions, security, political connections and control of information are *REALLY* this bad, the US has a much bigger problem than a website.

    If this is how a genuine intelligence agency acts and gets caught doing so by the equivalent of a back-bedroom UFO hunter, then the first ever *real* cyberwar will see them wiped off the planet.

    The UK, in the middle of a war, infiltrated by spies, managed to capture, analyse, decrypt, monitor and intercept German communications for YEARS, to the extent that they could literally direct the enemy to move their defences to cover false "threats" while watching them do that. And most of exactly what happened took 50+ years to come out and we still don't know *all* of it.

    The US, in peacetime (so no major distractions, counter-incentive, etc.), can't stop their own soldiers putting documents into the public domain, with HUGE fanfare, then "rubber-stamp" those documents as official by "hunting down" a civilian not really related to the leak, when the guy handed himself into a police station in an allied country and told the newspapers about it. If the US "anti-cyber-warfare" campaign is anywhere near as ineffective, you better hope nobody tech-savvy *bothers* to go to war with the US.

    1. Re:Pfft. by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

      Summary is just bad. The 3 companies have/had contracts with the Department of Defense but they were tring to get business with the Bank of America.
      This was not something done by the DoD or any US intelligence agency.
      Frankly it would be hard to find many business that do not do some type of business with the US government, the DoD or some intelligence agency. Looking at just one of the companies it looks like it was setup as a 8(a)(female or minority owned) so can smaller contracts or small portions of larger contracts.

  14. Word salad by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Consultants at US defense contractors Palantir Technologies, Berico Technologies and HBGary proposed to lawyers for a desperate Bank of America an alliance that would work to discredit the whistleblowers' website using a divide and conquer approach."

    I had to read this sentence several times before it made any sense. The first few times it sounded like the defense contractor consultants asked some lawyers to marry them in order to obtain the Bank of America, who was inexplicably desperate -- all of which would discredit Wikileaks.

    I think what was attempting to be conveyed was the following:

    "Consultants at US defense contractors Palantir Technologies, Berico Technologies and HBGary proposed an alliance with a desperate Bank of America which would work to discredit the whistleblowers' website using a divide and conquer approach."

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    Proverbs 21:19
  15. Wait a minute by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a minute. Isn't Wikileaks reporting a leaked report that there was a conspiracy against them a little bit like saying God exists, because the Bible says so?

  16. Sympathy for the Devil by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's hardly surprising that there is a market for plans in how to manipulate public perception. There's a whole industry that exists specifically for this. People who find themselves in that industry have to set aside their conscience to do the job and put food on the table. They rationalize it as a game or a competition or just business. Some are probably reading slashdot right now.

    It's the sad nature of civilization that we are a huge crowd of people just trying to put one foot in front of the other. It's hard to imagine that our small push forward on the person in front of us is really contributing to the squeeze that is crushing people to death somewhere else in the crowd.

  17. Mind Control? by LastGunslinger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget that they made Julian Assange a pompous douchebag by drugging his food. A side effect, perhaps intended, is the paranoia that makes him think he'll be imprisoned at Guantanamo. They also slipped a defective condom into his wallet so they could trump up rape charges.