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Microsoft Releases Internet Explorer 9 RC

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has released Internet Explorer 9 Release Candidate. The new RC build includes a Tracking Protection feature, which gives users the option to control what third-party site content can track them when they're online, as well as a new ActiveX filtering option, which allows users to turn on/off ActiveX plug-ins. Best of all, Microsoft has addressed what was arguably the biggest complaint with the new version: if you want your tabs on a separate line from the address box, there's now an option to turn that on from the right click menu at the top of the browser. At the same time, IE9 RC is significantly faster than the beta version. Furthermore, many site rendering issues have been fixed, although we can't say that it's working perfectly. Last but not least, the new build includes hundreds of bug fixes."

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  1. Does it support... by Lendrick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...OGG and VP8 out of the box now?

    1. Re:Does it support... by sakdoctor · · Score: 2

      I should add, the browser is fishing for X-Content-Duration headers.
      If you don't serve them, you'll get an orbital bombardment of '206 partial content' requests, as it attempts auto-discovery on every single track.

    2. Re:Does it support... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Odd based on that, I'd be serving .WAV, not ogg or mp3. However, we will most likely be serving .mp3 and let the firefox guys cry themselves a river (or get a plug in).

  2. When can I get the final version? by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    When will I be able to get the final version? I'm not normally a Microsoft fan, but I use IE a lot at work and I am legitimately excited about the prospect of a new version. I wish they would release a Mac version.

    1. Re:When can I get the final version? by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why on earth do you want a Mac version? That's like putting a Skoda steering wheel in your BMW.

    2. Re:When can I get the final version? by commodore6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>feeling the wrath of an unsupported browser.

      Use Opera 10 or 11 with "mask as internet explorer" turned on. Problem solved. It won't look like IE but it will act like IE and display the same pages.

      You can also use Opera's online web-stored bookmarks to access your work links from home (and vice-versa). And the built-in email/torrent clients to do stuff in the background.

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    3. Re:When can I get the final version? by knarf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's like putting a Skoda steering wheel in your BMW.

      You mean one of these?

      "The in gear acceleration times are 50-70 mph in 5.6 seconds, quicker than BMW's 330i which takes 6.0 seconds. 20-40 mph in 2.4 seconds is as quick as the Lotus Elise 111R. Despite this the Fabia vRS can achieve better than 6.2 L/100 km (46 mpg-imp; 38 mpg-US). If driven carefully some drivers have experienced MPG rates of 65-70 mpg over long periods. The Fabia VRS has a top speed of approximately 130 mph (210 km/h)."

      Nothing wrong with that I'd say?

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    4. Re:When can I get the final version? by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Funny

      The IE and Skoda comparison seems appropriate, But Mac and BMW?? I would have thought 1960's combi van would be a better comparison.

    5. Re:When can I get the final version? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Why on earth do you want a Mac version? That's like putting a Skoda steering wheel in your BMW.

      If I had a Mac, which I don't because I hate Apple, I would rather have any other browser in the world than Safari. My wife accidentally installed it when she downloaded iTunes onto her Windows laptop, and having played with it, it is without doubt the most horrible piece of software (apart from fucking iTunes itself, and Quicktime of course) ever to appear on a home computer.

      IMHO.

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  3. What's MS up to? by qmaqdk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are two strategies MS can play:

    • Old school IE: Make own standards to try to vendor lock-in people with the MS platform
    • Standards compliant IE: Try to closely adhere to standards and basically render like all the other browsers

    I don't think the first strategy will work anymore. People learned what IE6 really costs in the long run. That leaves strategy two. But why bother? It a huge investment development wise, and I don't see them gaining anything from it without the vendor lock-in. So is this just "we want a browser too", or what?

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    1. Re:What's MS up to? by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're forgetting option 3: Leverage Windows 7 sales by providing a free browser that only works with Windows 7, then telling everybody about all the gaping security holes that exist in all previous versions. Standard MS marketing tactic. Hopefully MS is moving away from the "embrace and extend" philosophy it has used in the past.

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    2. Re:What's MS up to? by dave562 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You almost got it right. It's more like, "Provide a free browser that fully supports .Net so that the thousands of developers who develop against the Microsoft stack (SQL Server, Sharepoint, etc) will have a stable target to aim for."

      I get the sense that as a company, Microsoft could give two shits about which browser home users are using. They do care about their developers though. They do care about the enterprise. They need a known platform for their developers to target. That is why they need IE.

    3. Re:What's MS up to? by dave562 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It hooks into the .Net APIs that are on the client OS. I'm thinking about it in terms of a lot of the applications that I have dealt with over the last couple of years. They all seem to be built in .Net, and leverage IIS and SQL. The client workstations all need .Net and IIS for the application to work.

      I think it is a lot like what Google is doing with Chrome. Google has a vision about what applications and services they want to offer via their platform. Rather than pin their hopes on "browser vendors" to adopt specific ways of doing things, Google made their own browser. That browser supports the functionality that Google devs need.

    4. Re:What's MS up to? by spells · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The client workstations all need .Net and IIS for the application to work.

      Find a new company. Quick.

    5. Re:What's MS up to? by dave562 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right. Let me go ahead and leave a multi-million dollar firm that does business with the SEC, DoJ and just about every major law firm out there because the best document review and eDiscovery tools are built around a Microsoft stack. I don't care who makes the tools I use. I care that the tools get the job done. FYI - I have a bunch of LAMP and WAMP servers up too.

    6. Re:What's MS up to? by westlake · · Score: 2

      There are two strategies MS can play: Old school IE: Make own standards to try to vendor lock-in people with the MS platform Standards compliant IE: Try to closely adhere to standards and basically render like all the other browsers

      There is a third option:

      "Bullet point" compliance. But support for whatever "de-facto" standards evolve as well.

      The geek's "open standards" are a highly politicized commitee product and typically finalized about the time the Last Trumpet blows.

      That is why Google tried for a pre-emptive strike with WebM.

      But it is also why Google has been remarkably soft-spoken about Flash and Microsoft's H.264 extension for Chrome -

      and quieter still about HEVC/H.265 - which is only two or three years out.

      The target for HEVC is scaleable HD video and theater sound at something like half the bit rate of H.264. That is good news for Netflix. But also for the enterprise which wants to stream HD security video and other content on the corporate intra-web.

      The integrated "app" looks like the future for the home user.

      You won't launch Netflix, Pandora, Rhapsody, or OnLive gaming through your media PC or your browser, you will launch them through the Universal Remote that serves your Internet enabled HDTV and home theater sound system.

      The supporting hardware and codecs used will those which make most sense to the content provider like Disney and the brand name hardware manufacturers - industrial giants like Mitshubishi and Samsung.

    7. Re:What's MS up to? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      It hooks into the .Net APIs that are on the client OS. I'm thinking about it in terms of a lot of the applications that I have dealt with over the last couple of years. They all seem to be built in .Net, and leverage IIS and SQL. The client workstations all need .Net and IIS for the application to work.

      This sounds like BS to me, since IIS is server-side software. It's like saying that there is software that requires client workstations to have Apache - I can see an extremely convoluted architecture that'd have such a requirement (a "local web app" of sorts), but that's hardly best practice.

      Your typical ASP.NET (MVC or not) application certainly doesn't require any of that - IIS, MSSQL etc all run server-side, and that is the part that is "locked in", but client is just served HTML/CSS/JS. You can definitely serve him IE-specific stuff, and many ASP.NET apps for internal use do just that, but that's up to developers.

      In any case, that still doesn't tie into .NET, except for WPF browser apps. But those are extremely rare, and seem to have been superceded by Silverlight.

      Now, Silverlight - yes, there is a big push for that as the "rich client-side" tech, alongside the standard HTML/CSS/JS, for solutions built on Microsoft platform end-to-end, especially for in-house solutions. But Silverlight is separate from .NET proper, and is browser-agnostic.

    8. Re:What's MS up to? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Let me go ahead and leave a multi-million dollar firm that does business with the SEC, DoJ and just about every major law firm out there because the best document review and eDiscovery tools are built around a Microsoft stack.

      This has nothing to do with MS stack, and everything to do with the fact that (per your claim) your software requires client machines to have server software deployed on them to work. Architecturally, that's braindead.

    9. Re:What's MS up to? by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, since when did all other browsers implement the things you're talking about? I'm not sure any of them have implemented all of it.

      What's more, all of those things are draft standards, and subject to change. In my opinion, it's reckless to implement things and call them standards when they're not actually standards yet. People can use them, and then the standards change...

    10. Re:What's MS up to? by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2

      Great rant, but he is either being disingenuous, or missing the point.

      Microsoft says that the W3C tests should be used to validate compliance, because the W3C are the ones that create the specs. If Mozilla doesn't like that, then they should submit more validation tests to the W3C, just like Microsoft has. Their failure to do so indicates they have no interst in a true standards conformance measurement.

      Instead, they choose to use other tests that merely test for features, not whether the features are actually implemented correctly to the standard. Don't like that, then submit tests to the W3C for features that IE fails in.

      Microsoft is doing the right thing here, they're trying to promote a single, unified conformance test and have put their money where their mouth is by donating thousands of tests to the W3C. Why hasn't Google? Or Apple? Or Mozilla?

  4. Canvas.globalCompositeOperation by QuoteMstr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Canvas.globalCompositeOperation works now!

  5. April by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, I read the fucking article, and it's supposed to be available mid-April.

  6. Does it track my Google habits? by mackil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: "The new RC build includes a Tracking Protection feature"

    Does this preclude my Google search habits?

  7. And it still doesn't support XP by gstrickler · · Score: 2

    I understand that MS wants users to move off of XP, but given that means new hardware for most of the people still using XP, and the economy being where it is, and businesses still having internal stuff tied to XP & IE6, do they really think that IE9 abandoning XP will actually give people an incentive to upgrade? I hope they're not foolish enough to believe that. Anyone on XP who wants a faster browser will just use Chrome, Firefox, or Opera (sorry Apple, Safari on Windows is not competitive in speed unless you're only comparing to FF3.x and IE6-8, and it doesn't have anything to recommend it over the faster browsers).

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    1. Re:And it still doesn't support XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Support has to end at some point. It might be time to move forward grandpa.

      Why?

      My machine works fine on XP. I have all the software I need and Mozilla is still supporting XP versions. And even if they stop, my version of Firefox and Thunderbird work quite fine.

      All this needless upgrading of hardware does nothing but increase the hole in my pocketbook and fill in landfill holes in poor Asian countries - and adding to the World's pollution.

      There's got to be a time when we have to slow our consumption down; especially with the highly toxic electronics.

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      P.S. I kinda like to leave some semblance of an environment to you kids.

    2. Re:And it still doesn't support XP by DaFallus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whenever you want to upgrade is up to you. If you want to use a 10 year old machine with XP, then more power to you. But why should Microsoft care? Maybe IE9 runs like shit on XP and they don't want to keep their staff busy dealing with all the issues and backwards compatibility for an OS that is definitely in the saturation/decline stage of the product life cycle.

      Do you go to Best Buy and complain that they don't sell Beta tapes?

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  8. Excellent by metrix007 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    IE9 really is an excellent release. I personally don't like it because it lacks the extra functionality that browsers like Firefox and Opera have. However it is standards compliant, fast and very secure. Given that it is also more configurable than Chrome (which doesn't let you configure a fucking thing) I do recommend it.

    Power users may not want it, but that is not important. What is important is that average users at home now have access to a secure and well performing browser. No more shitty toolbars or Active X crap, just a fast browser that works.

    I don't like the limited space for tabs, but people who use IE are generally not the types to have a large amount of tabs open at once.

    Mention should also be made of the security aspects. IE and Chrome are the two most secure browsers by far. They are the only browsers to fully support WIC and to make use of ASLR and DEP. Firefox 4 has support for DEP but not ASLR or WIC, nor does Opera.

    People are going to bash Microsoft because they are Microsoft, but they have really done a good job here.

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    1. Re:Excellent by asa · · Score: 2

      Actually, a sizable chunk will have to upgrade their entire PC to get Windows 7 so it's a lot more for lots of folks.

    2. Re:Excellent by BZ · · Score: 2

      > Firefox 4 has support for DEP but not ASLR

      That's just false. Firefox 4 supports ASLR, as do current 3.6 security updates. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405523 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559133 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567134

  9. Mac Version? by RManning · · Score: 2

    I know I'm being overly optimistic, but wouldn't it be nice if we could get an OSX version if IE9? I have to run XP in Parallels just to test in IE. Dropping Windows for good would be so nice. :)

    1. Re:Mac Version? by WeatherServo9 · · Score: 2

      Remember how different the Mac and Windows versions of IE were back when both existed? Even if they did release a Mac version (which I think it's safe to say they won't bother doing) I'm not sure I would trust that each work the same and would still want to test both of them individually.

  10. Re:let us look at motives by IronHalik · · Score: 4, Funny

    I do not see why should Microsoft make a convenient and fast browser?

    MS made IE9 so fast as a prank on all slashdotters - right now its pretty much the only browser can render slashdot threads smoothly. So cruel.

  11. SVG? Border Radius? by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2

    Full list IE9RC features

    All that I care about is SVG.

    It was promised in IE 7, then pulled at the last moment. They said it would be in IE 8.

    IE 8 came out, and it wasn't included. They said it would be in IE 9

    Finally, it looks like most SVG features will finally be available. Half of that document is about SVG. It's a shame that SMIL isn't included, but considering it's MS, and especially considering it's something free from MS, you have to have low expectations.

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  12. Re:When can I use says... by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Informative

    That page is full of BS. They test a lot of things they shouldn't, including redundent and even deprecated drafts of standards, and penalize you for not "supporting" them.

    Go to the source, with W3C. According to them, and their compatibility tests, IE9 is doing fine - it's actually ahead of most of the competition on each part of CSS3, for example.

    It's also worth noting that IE9's pre-release versions are very careful about supporting non-standard stuff with "standardized" names. For example, IE9 actually does support WebSockets just fine, but because the standard isn't finished, they use a "draft" extension on the name (websocket-draft). This causes sites like caniuse to claim IE9 can't do web sockets, which isn't accurate - other browsers are just implementing a "standard" that isn't.

    Ironically enough, this is the kind of behavior that people got so pissed off (quite rightfully) at IE6 for. Just because it isn't MS, does that mean it's now OK to make uup your own standards when they arent' actually standardized yet?

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  13. Re:SVG? Border Radius? by cbhacking · · Score: 2

    Slashdot itself uses border-radius. It has worked just fine for months now. Admittedly it was somewhat annoying that /. used to feed old-school CSS that didn't include the rounded corners when it detected IE, but you could trick it into sending the right code and now everything works. Since the recent "facelift" IE9 gets the right CSS by default, and yes it includes CSS3 things.

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  14. Re:let us look at motives by Aphrika · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, you're wrong.

    Web 2.0 was pretty much explicitly defined by Microsoft, albeit by accident. AJAX itself a technical underpinning of 2.0 was initiated by the XMLHttpRequestObject that shipped with IE5. This was then adapted by other browsers.

    Have a look at the history section here.

    As for why Microsoft should release a new version of IE? Well, what else would they do, give up?