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Why Dumbphones Still Dominate, For Now

Velcroman1 writes "Androids are awesome, iPhones impressive ... but dumbphones still dominate. Of the 234 million cell phone users in America last year, a dominating 73 percent own traditional (aka non-smart) devices, according to market researcher comScore. Despite their more popular mindshare, intelligent devices like the Apple iPhone and phones based on Google's Android operating system own barely a quarter of the market."

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  1. Smart people by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people are smart enough to realise (and have the restraint) that you don't need to be connected all the time; that it's actually healthier not to be.

    Alas, I'm not one of them.

    1. Re:Smart people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a $320 MSI netbook and a cheap data plan that does a lot more than I could with any smart phone. It only weighs maybe 2 pounds more and I can easily carry it in my satchel.

      So, basically, I could buy a $200 more expensive phone and lose a lot of functionality to gain a small bit of convenience, or I could just keep using the netbook to do remote work when I need it.

      Smartphones are toys, and at their current cost, they're not compelling toys for more people. They either need to increase their functionality to match netbooks and laptops or they need to drop in price to be more commensurate with their actual usefulness before they become widely accepted as the norm.

    2. Re:Smart people by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not a satchel, it's a purse.

    3. Re:Smart people by SpeedyDX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I switched from a smart phone plan to a "dumb phone" plan because I found it too distracting to be connected all the time. To each their own, however.

      Incidentally, I've found social interactions (particularly lunch, coffee, or interactions that take a while) with people who don't have smart phones to be more pleasant. Not to say anything about inherent social personalities of smart phone and dumb phone users, but dumb phone users simply don't check their phones as much. It's nice to be able to talk to someone at lunch without them constantly checking their email or twitbook each time there's a natural lull in the flow of conversation. It breaks attention and train of thought. Their social facial and body cues are sometimes missing from the conversation, so it makes the other party feel like they're disengaged.

    4. Re:Smart people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      its a European Shoulder Bag...

    5. Re:Smart people by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      It's European!

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    6. Re:Smart people by vegiVamp · · Score: 2

      I have a data plan, and yet I'm not connected all the time. To the contrary - I'm only only when I need to. I don't have an endless stream of twitter feeds, facebook updates and rss stuff streaming to my phone; I just have google when I need it.

      It's not even a matter of "which plan", it's just a matter of having control over your own actions.

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    7. Re:Smart people by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some people are smart enough to realise (and have the restraint) that you don't need to be connected all the time; that it's actually healthier not to be.

      And, as much as I have no desire to be connected all of the time and don't have a smart phone ... cost is also a big factor.

      My wife and I have two land lines, long distance plans, two fairly basic cell phones, digital TV, internet, plus the rental of my wife's PVR. Adding two smart phones to that would take our bill of close to $300 to close to $400 every month.

      I'm just not willing to pay what it costs to have a smart phone. The gouge me enough for all of the other services already.

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    8. Re:Smart people by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I carried a 10 pound $800 lap top on my vacation to Boston a couple of months ago. I also carried my iPhone. Guess which one got used, and which one isn't going with me next time. This isn't an advertisement for iPhone either, everything I did with it I could have done on an Android, Nokia, or WebOS device. Phone apps helped me navigate the subway system, find fun things to do, walk where I wanted to without getting lost, keep in touch with the people I was visiting if we had to separate (My wife is living up there and had to go in to work a few of the days I was up), keep in touch with the people taking care of my dog back home, use the web to look up some more information about some of the stuff I saw...

      One of the advantages of phones over netbooks is precisely that they aren't "real" computers. No one writes an app for Windows or stock Linux that helps you find the nearest T-station. Why would they? How many people are going to be wandering around with a full computer trying to find a T-station? Lots of people use phones for it though, or at least I have to guess they do given the 7 or 8 apps I had to chose from. The thing is that there are very few things you can do on a full sized computers that you can't do on a phone. There are some things they can't really do: I wouldn't want to edit photography on a phone for sure; and other things are definitely a bit more trouble: SSH works on my phone, but it's not exactly a ton of fun to use. None the less they *can* do almost everything that a computer can do, and do it adequately for most purposes in an emergency. They can also do lots of things most computers can't which are really nice while on the move (GPS, apps which just make more sense for a purely portable platform, etc)

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    9. Re:Smart people by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      I could do it right now. My 3GS is out from under contract. You're only obligated to use anything for the terms of your contract. Buy a used iPhone, have an iPhone that's outside of it's contract period, get one of the many third party Android devices that come unlocked... Lots of ways to get a smart phone and not have a data plan. I personally like having mobile Internet (we're not allowed to use wifi at work, and my area is not as saturated with wifi as some) so I keep it, but I could cancel it.

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    10. Re:Smart people by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am connected all the time but I have self control too.

      That means I don't whip out my phone and check my email, text, or even answer the phone just because it goes off. I can ignore it and live quite happily. I rarely respond immediately to text messages, so my friends know that the best way is to leave a message and wait.

      Of course I don't have a twitter account because I am not a twit, nor am I narcissistic enough for facebook.

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    11. Re:Smart people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is about cost. Some people do not see spending an extra 30 a month on top of each phone they own. In some families it can be as many as 4 phones. 4*30 + 100. A 200+ phone bill is not exactly sustainable. That is ~2600 a year. Average family income is ~55k, or about 40k after taxes. That is 6% of your income to just pay for phones. Most people can not swing that. After paying for food/car/house/gas/electric.

      So yes the 'el cheapo' as the 'geezers' call them does make sense.

      They are cool and all. But 200 bucks a month cool?

      When the dataplans come down in price you will see many more people use them. Right now it is in the 'fad' stage and the phone companies are taking advantage of that. But in 3-5 years that will have worn off and they will be wanting to convert 'el cheapos' to paying something for a dataplan. You will start seeing it when people start dumping their cool shiny phones for elcheapo again. I am borderline on that myself. I used the hell out of it at first. Now its just a phone again.

      Its funny per byte SMS is still more expensive...

    12. Re:Smart people by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people may realize they THEMSELVES don't need to be connected all the time, but truly smart people don't think everyone else is just like them.

    13. Re:Smart people by jbengt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I just call mine a bag.

    14. Re:Smart people by xSauronx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      i call mine a book bag...and when i get out of school, ill call it a laptop bag. it has lots of stuff in it: cat5e patch cable (and coupler, and crossover adapter, and loopback adapter), phone patch cable, leatherman surge, flashlight, various bootable flash drives, digicam, 11.6" laptop w/ charger, 2 or 3 different usb cables, pens and pencils, tylenol/aspirin, school/work related folders.

        i usually keep it in the car, or take it in to work or class, but i dont actively carry it unless i need it, or expect to.

      i always carry my android phone.i treat it like a PDA and a comm device mostly. calendar/agenda, emails, IMs, phone calls. sometimes pandora, navigation/gps, internet browsing or games to kill time here and there. also i used to carry a notepad...but its so hard to keep up with paper, to keep it in good shape, and to organize and search a notepad. its all on my phone now.

      the laptop doesnt get used super often, but its so small and light that its always in my bag. i can use it for real work or media consumption, its got a core i3 1.2ghz, so its not super powerful, but i can get enough done on it for it to be worth having, and i use it in classes to take notes (again, i dont use paper)

      digital lifestyle: i love it. /also loves being prepared for all sorts things at a moments notice. the trunk of my car is never empty.

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    15. Re:Smart people by AntEater · · Score: 2

      It's not even a matter of "which plan", it's just a matter of having control over your own actions.

      That's a nice idea but it doesn't often work that way. Many people (with a smart phone) don't seem to have the iron will to not be rude while talking face to face with someone. If someone can't control their actions at one level then they need to make their changes somewhere upstream in the decision making process. Either that, or enjoy the consequences of their rude behavior.

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    16. Re:Smart people by mlush · · Score: 2

      its a lifestyle thing

      I could have chargers every where I go, but I don't actually think about my phone more that 2-3 times a week I use it even less often and when I do use it it would be very inconvenient if I could not make the call (normally 'I will be late' 'meet at the clock tower in an hour' 'help the car has broken down' 'While your out buy a bottle of (medicinal) Gin'). So I want something I can ignore most of the time and will be there and ready when I need it.

    17. Re:Smart people by gargeug · · Score: 2

      I have noticed this social interaction problem myself. There is nothing more annoying in a casual conversation when you are discussing an idea and are like "I wonder what so and so actually is?", but you don't really care like your life depended on it. But then the smartphone user whips out their phone and is like, "Here hold on..." So if it is just you two you have to sit there for like 2 minutes while they search and find the answer, when you would much rather be carrying on with the conversation that led you to the ancillary question in the first place. Or if it is more than two, you keep going with your other friends, and then when the smartphone user finds the answer, they interrupt you (from where you've already progressed in thought by two minutes) to answer this question that was in no way inhibitory to the discussion, and then ruins the natural flow of what was evolving with your other friends because now you have to deal with this info.

    18. Re:Smart people by AntEater · · Score: 3, Funny

      So on the half-hour bus ride to and from work, how do you recommend that someone start a conversation with a stranger without causing a major faux pas?

      Pass them a beer? It's a great conversation opener. You must not ride the bus often.

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    19. Re:Smart people by Tharsman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a $320 MSI netbook and a cheap data plan that does a lot more than I could with any smart phone. It only weighs maybe 2 pounds more and I can easily carry it in my satchel.

      So, basically, I could buy a $200 more expensive phone and lose a lot of functionality to gain a small bit of convenience, or I could just keep using the netbook to do remote work when I need it.

      Smartphones are toys, and at their current cost, they're not compelling toys for more people. They either need to increase their functionality to match netbooks and laptops or they need to drop in price to be more commensurate with their actual usefulness before they become widely accepted as the norm.

      Opening up the netbook and using it as a GPS while driving has to be super fun! And I cant imagine the envy eyes in the subway when people see me take out a netbook to browse the web! And opening up the computer in the middle of a BestBuy to browse for potentially lower prices for stuff you just saw, all the tekkies there will drool at the sight of my super netbook!!! Man, I was such a fool getting myself a smartphone, I should had bought a netbook with a dataplan!!!

    20. Re:Smart people by Tharsman · · Score: 2

      That's a nice idea but it doesn't often work that way. Many people (with a smart phone) don't seem to have the iron will to not be rude while talking face to face with someone. If someone can't control their actions at one level then they need to make their changes somewhere upstream in the decision making process. Either that, or enjoy the consequences of their rude behavior.

      I'm sorry but I am not sure what prehistoric age you just time traveled from. In the present, people rudely point their noses to their phones without regard of these being smart phones or dumb phones. Text messaging is still a huge deal and virtually every single phone in the world can do this. Smartphones have nothing to do with that behavior. This has been true for the last 15 years.

    21. Re:Smart people by downhole · · Score: 2

      I've mostly stopped taking laptops on vacations too. Partly for being heavy and expensive, and partly because they're better at web surfing and killing time. I know that if I have a full laptop, I'll be tempted to spend lots of time messing with the internet in the hotel room or wherever. But I did't go wherever I went to sit around and surf the net - I can do that at home.

      The phone can surf the net and stay in touch and do all of that stuff, but it's just a little annoying to use with the small screen and tiny keyboard. For me, it hits the sweet spot of good enough to get the information I actually need, but bad enough that I'm not sucked into hours of net surfing.

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    22. Re:Smart people by markass530 · · Score: 2

      I just use my Assault Pack from iraq. It's back pack, and no none would ever consider calling it a purse.

    23. Re:Smart people by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      No...a backpack is acceptable, but anything else is a purse and you don't wanna be seen with those...

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    24. Re:Smart people by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2

      lol, army purse

    25. Re:Smart people by tftp · · Score: 2

      My personal reasons for not having a smartphone:

      1. Size and weight. I don't want a large, flat, bulky device on my belt or ($deity forbid) in my pocket. My current phone is a flip phone, just a few inches long.
      2. Cost of the hardware. A phone is a portable device, to be carried everywhere and to be scratched, dropped and otherwise abused. I want it to be reasonably cheap for that. I don't want to carry a jewel and protect it with my life.
      3. Cost of the plan. Smartphone plans are more expensive, at no increase in my personal productivity or enjoyment of life. Right now cell companies are aggressively milking the market and the poor saps pay through the nose.
      4. Quality of calls. That varies, but generally smartphones don't do better than a dumb phone.
      5. Quality of the interface. My flip phone closes and protects the keypad from any accidental operation. Its firmware is simple enough to not contain bugs that would pocket-dial a number. Also I detest the idea of touching the screen.
      6. Battery life. Dumb phones are certainly better in this aspect just because they have fewer hardware to run.
      7. Screen size. The screen is too small for me to use, and for some reason I don't want to lose eyesight.
      8. Data security. If I lose my phone there is nothing of value on it - no banking data, no personal emails.

      I'm sure there are more, but this list is fairly representative already.

  2. Just don't need one. by ckblackm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use the phone to make calls and send texts. I don't have a need for the added features of the "smart" phone, and can't justify the extra expense for the new toy or it's higher cost data plan.

    1. Re:Just don't need one. by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly.

      There is no middle ground (from my perspective). You either go “dumb phone” or all out.

      I imagine there are a lot of people like myself, who have no desire to be connected every moment of the day. I have a computer at home, and a computer at work... no need for a computer between those points.

      I’d love to be able to quickly look something up or use GPS/google maps on the odd occasion, but wouldn’t use it often enough to justify $70 a month, which here in Canada seems to generally be the minimum. That’s just too much money for something I might use once or twice a month.

      As for the whole status symbol thing... good grief. Maybe in certain parts of the population or certain ages but even when I was in school I don’t remember any of this status symbol garbage. People got popular by other means (what music they listened to, doing and selling drugs, etc). And if your out of school.. get a life!

    2. Re:Just don't need one. by MattSausage · · Score: 2

      I'd wager cost is a MAJOR reason. Who has 300 bucks to spend on a phone, then 50 -70 bucks a month for a data plan when I can keep my 30 a month unlimited text and coast to coast calling, and get a phone for free every year? I'm sure if I actually got one one day I'd be addicted for life, but until then... no thanks until the price comes down.

    3. Re:Just don't need one. by Like2Byte · · Score: 2

      3 or 4 years ago, I had the same mindset you have now. I don't expect my post to sway your direction either way.

      In a recent experience with my Android while shopping I was able to look up a ton of information about the wireless routers I was looking at while at a brick and mortar store. I was able to determine which one's were a best fit for running DD-WRT and a wealth of other information. I was also able to determine who in my local area had the item for sale cheapest.

      Yes, I could have done this from home before departing but the thought of using DD-WRT jumped in my head while out and about.

    4. Re:Just don't need one. by CraftyJack · · Score: 3

      You had the best phone ever, until I realized that you were referring to what I would call a "flashlight".

    5. Re:Just don't need one. by dwightk · · Score: 2

      affordable data plans. Every high-end smartphone has that now

      ha

      If telcos want to expand the market much farther they need to lower the monthly cost.

      I think it is funny that people talk about various phones' prices. With a $70/month 2 year contract, they are all practically identical.

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    6. Re:Just don't need one. by david.given · · Score: 2

      There is no middle ground (from my perspective). You either go “dumb phone” or all out.

      I have a medium phone; an Alcatel OT-808. It's a tiny square clamshell. Folded up it's about 6x6x1cm. Unfolded, there's a 320x240 screen and a basic but adequate QWERTY keyboard. It runs some no-name OS but has the IBM J2ME engine. It's got a battery life of about three days, a fairly crappy camera, and is GPRS only.

      I use it mainly for text messages (a QWERTY keyboard makes these so much easier), plus some phone calls. I also use it for web browsing using Opera Mini, ssh to my home server using a hacked-up version of MidpSSH that can cope with the keyboard, and Google Maps. Using ssh I can read and send email (with cone), send/read Twitter (with twidge), etc. I've also used it when desperate as internet access for a laptop. I spent a week on holiday once where it was my only internet access. Worked fine.

      I'm not on a payment plan; I use PAYG with Virgin Mobile. A text message costs about 10 pence. Internet access costs 30 pence a day, only the days I use it. It's limited at 25MB per day, but you'd have to struggle really hard to use 25MB in a day with GPRS. I pay approximately twenty pounds every six to eight months.

      It cost me 35 pounds from ebay. If I drop it in the bath, I can say, 'damn', fish out the SIM, and throw it away...

      On the downside, it's pink.

    7. Re:Just don't need one. by hey! · · Score: 2

      I don't "need" my Android phone, but it sure is handy being able to put an appointment in and have it show up in the calendar I share with my wife. It's nice to be able to see whether an email I've been waiting for has arrived yet without having to dig out my laptop.

      Can I live without my smartphone? Sure. Is my life better with my Android phone than it would be without? A little bit, but not radically so. Is my life worse without the cash I give up every month for the data plan? A little bit, but not radically so.

      We make tons of decisions like this every day, and different people can arrive at different conclusions for very good reasons. Conversely, what is a good choice for one person might be bad for another. For example, I don't happen to watch TV, so I only have basic cable because it comes with my Internet service. The fact that I don't pay for a fancier plans doesn't make me a better consumer than my neighbor who does. The fact he doesn't have a data plan on his cell service doesn't make him a better consumer than me.

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  3. Price by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “And they certainly don’t want the additional monthly bill,” which can cost upwards of $30-50 extra, depending on the web service.

    That's it. I held out until a year ago. I preferred my candy bar Nokia with $24/mo. Now I'm on a DROID with $77/mo cost. And that's with a 25% discount from my employer! Trust me, if I lost my job or found myself in hard times this would be the first thing to go. Unfortunately I'm in a two year contract -- yet another aspect that should scare you.

    I predict dumbphones will continue to dominate until the major carriers stop this ridiculous pricing model. In my eyes, my DROID is waste -- albeit enjoyable and convenient. It's very hard to convince me that there is a $50 dollar per month difference in what these devices do on the carrier's network.

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    1. Re:Price by jank1887 · · Score: 2

      just curious. which carrier do you use that will discount the plan rate if you don't take a free phone/contract? Yes, the no contract/no termination fee part is a perk, but which carrier/plan will actually reduce your monthly payment?

    2. Re:Price by Smegoid · · Score: 2

      I recently bought a used Droid 1 on ebay for cheap. Switched from Verizon to Page Plus (prepaid and no data plan) and am saving buckets of money compared to my dumbphone plan and since I'm always in WiFi for 90% of the time I get to have all the perks of a smartphone. Easy e-mail checks in meetings, apps for scouring forums,web browsing on the go to check movie times or what have you, etc.

      My droid has replaced my GPS (maps downloaded to SD, don't need data plan for this) and my expensive MP3 playing alarm clock (Droid in a media dock = success). Smartphones don't have to be expensive, the Droid 1 is plenty fast. Faster if rooted and overclocked. If you got good wifi coverage then you don't need an expensive data plan. After flipping the dumbphone, GPS and alarm clock on ebay, I made money on the switch.

  4. smart or dumb? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    “I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.” - Bjarne Stroustrup, the designer and original implementer of C++

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    1. Re:smart or dumb? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously? Have you ever actually heard him talk about his work?

      He's a professor here at my university, and though I haven't taken any of the classes he teaches, quite a few of my friends and colleagues have, and they all come back with stellar reports about the wealth of information he has and the interest he has in sharing it with students at both the grad and undergrad level. I have attended a few of his outside-of-class lectures, and it was always clear to me that the guy cared deeply about his work and had really wrestled through all of the different aspects involved with it, since he had good answers to explain precisely why he had decided on every little detail that you might consider.

      If your opinion of him is that he doesn't spend enough time thinking about programming languages, I would take that to mean that either you don't understand them at all, or else that you don't understand his goals in designing them. Disagree with him or his goals if you want, but don't suggest that he doesn't think about these things thoroughly.

  5. It's simple... by kannibul · · Score: 2

    You have to pay for internet service to a smart phone, some people (such as myself) see that as a waste of money, when I have internet at home, and the smart phones/plans don't allow tethering without a jailbreak (ie, put you at risk for losing internet or your whole phone)

  6. Stupid article by brunes69 · · Score: 2

    Phones run on a 3-4 year life cycle, because that is what people's contracts on North American plans run at. 3 years ago Android was a pile of crap and the iPhone was quite expensive.

    3 years from now everyone in that 75% will have a smartphone, if for no other reason than the fact that "dumb phones" won't even exist anymore. Android is shipping on bargain-basement $99 and under phones nowadays.

  7. How about: by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it costs less than a few hundred to replace?
    There isn't a massive 4" touch screen just waiting to crack.
    Without said screen they're much smaller.
    They don't need charged daily.

    My Nokia 1100 was hands down the best phone I ever owned. Very tiny, nearly indestructible, easy to read screen, T9 prediction was pretty good and it had the best 'feature' on any phone, an actual LED flashlight, I think I charged it once or twice a week.

    Now that I'm on Verizon, I wish they had made a CDMA version.

    1. Re:How about: by CaptBubba · · Score: 2

      You want a Nokia 2128i. It is basically the same phone with the same flashlight function but is a CDMA phone. I had it for years as the free phone which came from Verizon. You should be able to find it for cheap.

  8. Try and buy one by sunderland56 · · Score: 2

    I'm in the market for a dumb phone or two right now. Ever try to buy one? The market has fragmented into two: smartphones (which earn the carrier huge fees every month), and dirt-cheap phones they can give away for free. There are no more nice, well-made 'dumb' phones like the Nokia 8800.

    Of course, even those free dumb phones aren't really 'dumb' any more - they can all text, have still cameras and often video ones, play music, and many can do simple web stuff and access Facebook. They aren't really dumb, they are just lacking the ability to download apps.

  9. I'll tell you why dumb phones dominate... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Smart phone: $200 to $700
    Data capable plan: $120 to $250 monthly

    Dumb phone: $50 to $100
    Simple plan: $40 to $80 monthly.

    Um, what the fuck, do these phone companies think we're all multimillionaires?

  10. Pre-paid by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    Not everyone wants to join sea org for the pleasure of owning an iPhone.

  11. preference != (smart || restraint) by mschaffer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly. Many people simply do not have the need, desire, temperament, or extra money required to purchase something other than a "dumbphone". Also, "dumbphones" make phone calls just as well as the so-called "smartphones".
    It has nothing to do with being smart enough to realize you don't need one.

    1. Re:preference != (smart || restraint) by Buelldozer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not the $20 up front that is "too expensive" it's the monthly reoccurring $20 (minimum!) that is ridiculous!

      With Verizon and a new Smartphone under contract that number actually balloons to something like $40 PER MONTH PER LINE for JUST the data service!

      So with four lines I'd have $160 for data, $80 for voice, and $20 for texting. Why, exactly, does my cell phone bill need to be $260 per month? Answer: It doesn't!

      Oh, and without the data plan a smartphone is really no better than a dumb one. Maybe some better games and some additional PDA functionality but that's about it.

      The simple truth is that until data prices come down smartphones are too expensive for many people to justify no matter how much they want them.

    2. Re:preference != (smart || restraint) by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      I have 4 phones, all with data, and I pay $30/month for data for all 4. (AT&T Family plan) I'm not sure which data plan you have that is $40 for each phone per month.

  12. My reasons by Purpleslog · · Score: 2

    1) Cost. 2) I don't want to be "always-on" for everybody and everything that is connected.My cell phone is for my convenience, not for the convenience of others. I am an IT pro and have been on the Internet one way or another since 1984. Since I am not a day today SysAdmin anymore, I have a work Cell phone that Ionly have on during work hours. My personal cellphone is really an emergency only phone: a pay-as-you-go Virgin Mobile phone.

    1. Re:My reasons by ledow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Snap.

      But I have to add - it's just NOT necessary to have a smartphone, even if you DO need to get online. Anywhere that I *want* to check a website from (i.e. not crammed against the other guy's back on the Tube (subway)) I can do with a netbook or any one of a number of devices, somewhere else, much more comfortably.

      I don't want to prodding styli, or tapping ludicrously *tiny* keys to browse a website or write an email. If I'm writing an email it is, by definition, not urgent. So it can wait until I'm somewhere where I have a nice keyboard. If I'm browsing a website, it's ALWAYS not urgent.

      Last year I *downgraded* my (already ancient) phone from Bluetooth, Java, camera, GPRS, etc. to one that sends and receives texts and phone calls. I never used the other features so they all seemed pointless to keep about and my phone's battery needed replacing. For the price of a cheap battery off eBay, I could get a brand new phone, battery and charger that did everything I needed it to do: GSM and SMS.

      A sysadmin logging onto somewhere from a smartphone to fix a problem might "seem" cool, but it just tells me that you don't have an appropriate spread of skills / knowledge or enough staff to cope, that you have to have THAT person, WHEREVER they are, able to log in to do THAT task.

      A smartphone is a toy and I'd find it almost impossible to justify commercial use of one except to show off (like those sales people who like to use tablet PC's to type your requirements into a notepad document etc.). Last year I refused a company-bought Blackberry with data plan - no way I'm getting sucked into the "can you just logon and have a look" thing when I'm on holiday.

      On another note - when I'm not at work, I'm NOT at WORK. Unless absolutely critically urgent (and it never is because of the nature of my employer's work), they have no need to have me respond outside of working hours. So I don't.

      There are probably a few people who will claim they MUST be in contact all that time but it just shows that their company is happier buying some over-worked sap a smartphone so they can be called in to help whenever there's a problem instead of training people on every shift to be able to cope with anything.

  13. Re:Not getting any cheaper either by whitehaint · · Score: 2

    Often it is about coverage. I live in south Dakota and Verizon is the only one with coverage dang near everywhere so if we want cell coverage out in the sticks we are stuck. however I agree to a point with if you pay it they will charge. 30 bucks a month for unlimited data. Data is digital, is 1 or 0. Voice is digital, is either 1 or 0. Difference?

  14. No mystery here -- cost by dn15 · · Score: 2

    The other 75% of mobile users who aren't geeks, businessmen, or Facebook addicts, don't understand why you'd want to pay an extra $30/month to be able to read the latest forwards from grandma about how you can see better driving in the rain if you wear sunglasses. They either don't bother, or they get an iPod Touch instead. Cant say I blame them, really.

    We won't see 100% smartphone penetration until all phones are smartphone and the data plan is included "free." Until then there will be plenty of holdouts who simply don't care.

  15. Dumb phones are for phoning by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    Nothing beats so-called dumb phones for the simple task of making phone calls. Smart phones are actually worse at the core thing they are designed to do, they drop more calls, they have worse battery life, they are not as easy to hold. Dumb phones that just work is a market that Nokia utterly dominates.

    Nokia has clearly been smoking crack to want to stop focusing on the one thing they do better than everyone else. They are going to become a third class company in the shiny-things category.

  16. umm, price by WillyWanker · · Score: 2

    Price, price, and oh, PRICE. Most people simply do not need nor want to spend $100 a month on cell service on top of the $200+ for the damned phone.

  17. I'm a geek by Zingledot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So under peer pressure from my fellow geeks, I joined the smartphone revolution and bought an HTC EVO. What do I do on my new smart phone? Call people, receive calls, check voicemail, and text. What is harder to do on a smart phone? Call people, receive calls, check voicemail, and text. What do I not do with my smart phone? Read my e-mail, shop, get directions, remote into my PC, sling video, watch TV, play MP3s, tether, control my TV, play games, etc. I regret my smart phone move, and fact is, there will always be a segment of people who will have no desire to use their phone for anything but communicating with people in a space and energy efficient manner.

    1. Re:I'm a geek by imnotanumber · · Score: 2

      So you prefer to Call people, receive calls, check voicemail, and text instead of read your e-mail, remote into your PC, play MP3s, tether, control your TV or play games? No sir, you are not a geek. Please hand your card at the exit...

  18. The hundred a month club by Shivetya · · Score: 2

    Like hell that I am going to shell out nearly a hundred a month to use one of these smart phones. If anything I think they coined the term "smart phone" to coerce people into paying the absurd monthly costs. As in, its a smart phone, which means the people using them are special, you know, smart, smarter and more hip than those who don't have one.

    Really, people line up to pay over two hundred dollars for these and willingly sign up for nearly a hundred more a month just to use them? Oh I know, there are some alternatives, but most common unlimited plans with minutes will set you back nearly a hundred with taxes and fees.

    Worse, I know quite a few people who do this who don't have the money for it. They of course are more than willing to have others pay for things they could be paying for if they didn't waste so much on status symbols which is what these phones are for a large number of people. I guess once "hicks" got blue tooth they needed a way to separate themselves again.

    I can think of many better things to do with $1400 a year.

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  19. Some people just want a phone. by Chas · · Score: 2

    They don't need e-mail, or GPS, or *blahblahblahblahblah*.

    Seriously. Were my job not providing me with a smartphone, and as cool as some of the things it can do are, I'd have some dumb, cheapie cell. Not because I can't afford it, but because I don't really care about all the "extras".

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    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  20. Motorola RZR by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

    I've used a RZR for years. I've destroyed one with water damage, lost a couple, and I always replace it with the same thing. My monthly plan costs $28. I only have to charge it once every couple of days and it has more features than I want (camera, texting).

    Would an iPhone or Android be neat to have? I guess. But I really don't need one and the costs associated with an upgrade just aren't worth it. Plus, everyone I know with 'smart phones' are constantly in need of an outlet to recharge their power-sucking monstrosities.

    If my phone breaks or I lose it, it costs me less than a month of data on a smartphone to replace.

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    "From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
  21. People are funny. by kryliss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As with many people, I work in a building with an elevator. Have you ever noticed that these days, the first thing people do when they get into an elevator is reach for their phone to look at something... anything other than making eye contact or talking with people in the elevator? Especially the younger generation (18 - ~25). it's funny to watch them read through messages that they've already read just so they don't have to socially interact face to face with someone they really don't know.. Of course.. I like to push them out of their "comfort zone" and talk to them. :)

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    1. Re:People are funny. by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you ever noticed that these days, the first thing people do when they get into an elevator is reach for their phone to look at something... anything other than making eye contact or talking with people in the elevator?

      Since people in elevators have been avoiding eye contact or talking with the others in the elevator since roughly forever... your point would be, what exactly?

    2. Re:People are funny. by Immerial · · Score: 2

      Have you ever noticed that these days, the first thing people do when they get into an elevator is reach for their phone to look at something... anything other than making eye contact or talking with people in the elevator?

      Since people in elevators have been avoiding eye contact or talking with the others in the elevator since roughly forever... your point would be, what exactly?

      He likes making people feel awkward ;^)