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Out of Egypt Censorship, US Tech Export Under Fire

AndyAndyAndyAndy writes "After it was exposed that American firm Narus had sold Egypt the Deep Packet Inspection equipment used to spy on and censor its citizens, the US House Committee on Foreign Relations held a hearing where Reps. Chris Smith and Bill Keating 'grilled Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg on the sale of this Internet spying technology to an Egyptian Internet provider controlled by the Mubarak regime.' It seems there is now a push for stronger controls and monitoring for technology exports 'that would provide a national strategy to prevent the use of American technology from being used by human rights abusers.'" Several readers have noted that Hosni Mubarak has now stepped down as president of Egypt. Control of the country's affairs has been passed to the high council of its armed forces, which has some journalists and bloggers worried.

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  1. The USG Wants Two Things From You, Narus by severoon · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. We would like you to stop selling this technology to other countries so they can use it to oppress their citizens.
    2. We would like to see a price list, please.
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    but have you considered the following argument: shut up.
  2. Stronger controls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems there is now a push for stronger controls and monitoring for technology exports 'that would provide a national strategy to prevent the use of American technology from being used by human rights abusers.'"

    I can't see that getting through unless the small print includes a special exception for Israel.

  3. Not so scared of Army control by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Based on how well the Egyptian army has handled itself these past few weeks and how they tried to stay as independent as possible I think it may actually be a GOOD thing that they are taking over for now. Better the army than the Muslim Brotherhood.

    1. Re:Not so scared of Army control by Yeknomaguh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tired of this rhetoric. The Muslim Brotherhood is not as influential player in the region as fox news would have you believe. Nor are they a terrorist group or extremist group bent on anything other then the common goals of the revolutionaries. This just in, Islam is not the new Communism.

    2. Re:Not so scared of Army control by RazzleFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll be honest with you - if they were called the Christian Brotherhood, Jewish Brotherhood or even Buddhist Brotherhood I'd be equally against them taking power. Egypt needs a secular government with a firm separation of church and state. God should have no place in government.

      But I do agree that their threat is overrated by the news companies.

    3. Re:Not so scared of Army control by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ignorance is not an excuse to the realities of the world.

      49% of Egyptians say Islam plays only a "small role" in public affairs under President Hosni Mubarak, while 95% prefer the religion play a "large role in politics."

        84% favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim faith.

        82% support stoning adulterers.

        77% think thieves should have their hands cut off.

        54% support a law segregating women from men in the workplace.

        54% believe suicide bombings that kill civilians can be justified.

        Nearly half support the terrorist group Hamas.

        30% have a favorable opinion of Hezbollah.

        20% maintain positive views of al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.

        82% of Egyptians dislike the U.S. â" the highest unfavorable rating among the 18 Muslim nations Pew surveyed.

      And every place where 'islam is on the rise' including moderate indonesia, you'll see: repression, repression, repression. It's not the new communism, it's a push towards the dark ages.

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  4. That "Worried" Blogger is FUD by Yeknomaguh · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to my Egyptian friends and from common knowledge of the region, the people in general are not against a military run country in the interim between dictatorship and democracy. It assures stability while also assuring that things are changing. The culture of Egypt is very intertwined with the military, almost every family has at least one person actively serving, so when they chant "The military and the people are one" they aren't being selective as to exactly who in the military they're talking about. The military up to this point was already seen and acted as an unbiased arbitrator not influenced by politics. As has been stated, they are there to protect Egypt and the people of Egypt and will not spill Egyptian blood. They're probably the very best group to hold the country together in the potentially long process of redrafting a constitution and instituting a democratic system.

  5. Re:No Time to Worry! by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US is the only one allowed to use this tech to abuse human rights, and it really doesn't want to risk losing its lead in technology used for spying on citizens.

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  6. Sad but not unexpected by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This coming from the government that invented the PATRIOT act, national security letters and directly taps internet backbones. Do members of congress not understand what hypocrisy is or do they just not care?

  7. Egypt's Military, Inc. by JThaddeus · · Score: 4, Informative

    From http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/02/07/133503696/the-friday-podcast-egypts-military-inc "So far, the Egyptian military has largely sided with the protesters in the streets of Cairo. This is not only because the military supports the people; it's also because the military sells the people lots of stuff."

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  8. A bit hypocritical to hold hearings about this by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...given the billions of dollars in military aid and training the USA has offered to Mubarak's regime - the teargas branded "made in USA" was just the obvious part.

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  9. Re:Government hypocrisy strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Something neither the anti-obama ranters nor the liberals "get" is that in the long run, America is only there for the Suez Canal, and would support whoever it takes to keep oil flowing through it. When the public gets around to electing someone else, we'll support them too, unless they stop keeping the Canal open again, in which case we take back all their toys.

  10. Does anyone know who they really are? by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Muslim Brotherhood are not fanatics. They are the real equivalent of our Southern Baptists, stuffy old conservative men who want a society centered on religion. They have always condemned violence, and continually speak out against all terrorism. I wouldn't want to see them elected any more than I want our country ruled by Southern Baptists, but they are not radical terrorist Muslims. Oh, you will find some people claiming they are, but those are the same people who would believe a Muslim stamp collecting club was a terrorist organization. You won't find Al Qaeda praising the Muslim Brotherhood, indeed, all radical Muslims condemn it as too moderate.

    As I said, i wouldn't want to see them elected, not because they would attack Israel, or turn against us, but they might require women to wear Burkhas and a lot of them seem quite keen on stoning adulterers. Not good, but not suicide bombers, either.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

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  11. Re:In regards to Mubarak stepping down by pitchpipe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed! Why does this news (that Mubarak just stepped down) only get a footnote to a small news story? Surely nerds will think this is big news as well.

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  12. Re:No Time to Worry! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait a minute: "prevent the use... from being used"? So they can use it, but they can't use using it?

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  13. Re:No Time to Worry! by sortadan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Deep packet inspection has been around for several (technology) generations. I don't fault the software company for selling it to anyone, if they didn't some other software vendor would have (or the Egyptian authorities would have rolled their own). The demand was there, and it was going to be filled one way or the other. The real problem I see is that the base communication protocols haven't been encrypted, even after many years of evidence that it's needed. 100% of traffic should go over SSL, or something stringer with a distributed authentication scheme, rather than having a centralized authority like Verisign holding all the root keys.

  14. With out a *hint* of irony by neotokyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "now a push for stronger controls and monitoring for technology exports 'that would provide a national strategy to prevent the use of American technology from being used by human rights abusers.'"

    Where is the grilling of our own country's use of this technology to spy on our citizens? Yeah, I thought so, not a single word. That'd be looking in the past and we never do that. Nope never...

    Honestly, this is consistent with what the US has been saying for the past 10 years on any human rights abuse. We've continued to rack up our own abuses and as long as the targets are "terrorists" or "Muslims" or whatever the current boogeyman, it's OK if the US does these things. Meanwhile, out of the other side of our mouth, while we continue these abusive and repressive tactics, we have the gall to point the finger at other countries, ones who we even have supported and ASKED to do our repression because it gives the US some value, we point our finger and tsk tsk tsk, spying, invasion of privacy, these are the things of tyrants and dictators... let the sound of freedom ring...

    Nope, not even a hint of irony there...

  15. Re:No Time to Worry! by bertok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a historical reason why SSL is not more common: because the hierarchy of certificate trust was not propagated through the hierarchy of DNS. That's the logical thing to do: If you control the domain name servers for your own domain, you can publish your own public keys. It would have been free and open, reducing the barrier of entry to practically zero. Instead, administrators have been forced to establish the relationship between certificates and DNS names using a commercial third party. Instead of extending the DNS protocol, we pay people to perform a workaround.

    This was a huge mistake that basically led to companies like Verisign extorting billions of dollars in exchange for permitting web administrators to encrypt traffic to their sites. What's brilliant is that Verisign owns a significant chunk of the root DNS name servers! It's a conflict of interest for them to enable a free and open hierarchy of trust based on DNS, because it would eliminate most of their business overnight.

    That, right there, is corporate corruption on a billion dollar scale that is directly detrimental to human rights, privacy, and information safety.

    I wonder how many people have been executed or imprisoned due to Verisign's stifling of internet cryptography enabling corrupt governments to spy on their citizens?