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Watson Wins Jeopardy Contest

NicknamesAreStupid writes "The word is in, Watson beats the two best Jeopardy players. Sure, it cost IBM four years and millions of dollars and requires a room full of hardware. In thirty years it will all fit in your pocket and cost $19.99. Resistance is futile; you will be trivialized."

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  1. AI Winter by MarriedGeek · · Score: 2

    I think it is safe to say the AI Winter is over.

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    1. Re:AI Winter by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why? I don't see anything more special or "AI" in this than in Deep Blue's wins at chess so long ago.

      Yes, the natural language processing is impressive. But it takes a really huge computer, and it's really nothing more than a bunch of clever software along with a database of trivia.

      Watson showed very clearly how deeply it did not "understand" anything about what it was doing, via the nature of the blunders that it did make.

    2. Re:AI Winter by TheLink · · Score: 2

      The other thing Watson showed by its mistakes is that its AI still lacks understanding and intelligence.

      Often it's your wrong answers that show how much you really understand.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0215/On-Jeopardy-Watson-s-mistakes-reveal-its-genius

      Clue: It was this anatomical oddity of US gymnast George Eyser.
      Ken Jennings' answer: Missing a hand (wrong)
      Watson's answer: leg (wrong)
      Correct answer: Missing a leg

      And the "Toronto":
      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/watson-computer-makes-elementary-error-on-jeopardy/article1909685/?cmpid=rss1

      Once the AI's wrong answers start to look intelligent, the next level of understanding would be when the AI can actually teach someone what it knows.

      If you can teach difficult new stuff to stupider people then you're getting to Feynmann material :).

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    3. Re:AI Winter by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2

      Why? I don't see anything more special or "AI" in this than in Deep Blue's wins at chess so long ago.

      Chess can be brute forced in a way that language can't. Not to say that Deep Blue was all brute force, and I don't think Watson is true AI, but I do think it's a moderately significant step, not to mention more practically applicable. If nothing else, it (in combination with some decent speech recognition software) brings us one step closer to a Star Trek style voice interface, and that's a damn worthwhile cause in my book!

      These debates always remind me of something I read once, too. I forget the book, but the gist was that coders will be the last people to accept true AI if we ever do create it; we tend to believe that we have a full understanding of the way computers work, and what they are and are not capable of. While this is true to an extent, it becomes less so as systems become more and more complicated - I'm sure there's not a person on Earth who could fully understand a million-line program singlehandedly. Consciousness is just the emergent behaviour of organic computing hardware and software, and there's no reason that a sufficiently complex artificial system couldn't eventually show similar emergent behaviour, intentional or otherwise.

    4. Re:AI Winter by Totenglocke · · Score: 2

      Watson's answer was correct - he just didn't phrase it the way they want. Human contestants get hit with that rather frequently on Jeopardy for forgetting to say "What / Who / Where is....?". Hell, he actually had more correct answers than he buzzed in because he's programmed to not buzz in if he's not above a certain confidence level for the answer (I forget what it was in the video....under 90% and he wouldn't buzz in, I believe).

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    5. Re:AI Winter by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "Your brain is nothing more than a bunch of clever software with a database of trivia..."

      Not only do we not know this, there is a good bit of evidence to the contrary. The human brain is not anything like the computers we build today, except to say that they can both "compute", to varying degrees.

      But even if you did believe that they worked in fundamentally the same way, THIS article from just the other day claims that the best estimate so far is that all the computing power in the world today, including Watson, Deep Blue, all the Crays, desktops, and all the way down to cell phones, added together... is equivalent to approximately the computing and storage power of a single human brain.

      So... it's going to be a very long while before we can make a single computer anywhere near that powerful. Much less make it fit in a pocket.

      Watson is a good demonstration of what modern software -- with the aid of an outrageous shitload of processing power, even by today's standards -- can do in the area of natural language processing. Nothing more. And even that has a long way to go.

    6. Re:AI Winter by shaitand · · Score: 2

      But it doesn't illustrate the GP's point. It doesn't illustrate a particular lack of understanding or intelligence and certainly isn't support for the post he responded to that there is no real AI at work.

      Making a technical mistake that is often made by the human contestants indicates sophisticated intelligence. Just like an IQ test, often giving the same wrong answer that other highly intelligent individuals gave will result in a better score than actually giving the correct answer.
       

    7. Re:AI Winter by oliverthered · · Score: 2

      I'm not hot on war heros etc... Does Toronto have airports that fit the criteria?

      an airport named after a Second World War hero and one after a Second World War battle.

      Toronto may not be in the US but it's in north America, a lot closer than Cape Town Airport. how good is your geography.

      As wrong answers go, it may not have been that bad. Hell it's only a few years old, and improves itself.

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    8. Re:AI Winter by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Battle of Okinawa
      Oshawa Airport

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bishop
      Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport

      Air Marshal William Avery "Billy" Bishop VC, CB, DSO & Bar, MC, DFC, ED (8 February 1894 – 11 September 1956) was a Canadian First World War flying ace, officially credited with 72 victories, making him the top Canadian ace, and according to some sources, the top ace of the British Empire.

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    9. Re:AI Winter by Surt · · Score: 2

      Every pair of neurons in the brain is not interconnected. At a high end estimate, Each neuron is connected to at most 200K other neurons. This greatly simplifies the problem.

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    10. Re:AI Winter by meekg · · Score: 3, Informative

      no.. Watson didn't understand that HAVING a leg is not peculiar. Watson missed the negative, not the "phrasing in the form of a question"

    11. Re:AI Winter by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Informative

      Watson's answer was correct - he just didn't phrase it the way they want.

      Ah, but the whole point of Watson was that it understand the nuances of human language. Context, phrasing, and so forth.

      And technically, the answer was wrong -- there was nothing wrong with the gymnist's leg. It was that one leg was missing that was the problem.

    12. Re:AI Winter by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      Ahem: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-neurobiologists-weak-electrical-fields-brain.html

      The brain may be more than just a squishy neural network.

    13. Re:AI Winter by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From an anatomical oddity POV, "missing a leg" is different from "leg".

      It shows what Watson does is still at a search engine level.

      Contrast with Jennings' incorrect answer: "missing a hand".

      Both don't know the answer and are guessing, but they are guessing at different levels.

      I suspect in most cases Watson doesn't know the answer and is guessing - it has a lot of raw data and is very very good at sorting and filtering. But it does not have a very good model of the world that the Jeopardy game is about.

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    14. Re:AI Winter by shaitand · · Score: 2

      It does it if makes them for the same reason.

    15. Re:AI Winter by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      The human brain is not anything like the computers we build today, except to say that they can both "compute", to varying degrees.

      You are arguing that because the hardware of a computer is nothing like the hardware of a human that this supports your point, but it doesnt. It is only if the software running on the computer was nothing like the software of a human that you would have a point.

      All of todays CPU's are universal turing machine, and that fact negates every single hardware argument. We've heard this all before, from people saying that current computers arent fast enough to simulate the human brain (your arstechnica link makes this claim in a round-about way, but fails to realize that the simulation does not have the be real-time) to this tripe about Von Neumann architectures not "working like a brain" (why does the hardware itself have to work like the brain?)

      Basically, you are parroting the fallacious "pop sci" arguments that have no bearing on what real computer scientists know. Now, for sure this Watson wasn't "thinking like a human", but that is not the crap that you just spewed at us. You went off on the hardware bullshit and further linked to the speed bullshit.

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    16. Re:AI Winter by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Watson is still just following a fixed set of rules

      So are you. We call it physics.

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    17. Re:AI Winter by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah the forever shifting goalposts of AI.
      http://www.dansdata.com/gz107.htm

      ""A machine will never be able to read the written word."
      "A machine will never understand speech."
      "A machine will never be able to look at something and figure out what 3D shape it is."
      "A machine will never drive a car."
      "A machine will never play chess."
      "A machine will never play chess well."
      "A machine will never beat a chess Grandmaster."
      "A machine will never beat my favourite chess Grandmaster."

      Go back far enough and you can find people making these same sorts of predictions about tasks that seem simple today. Arithmetic, algebra, spell-checking - all were clearly Things Only the Mind of Man (and of a Few Unusually Intelligent Women, Bless 'Em) Could Ever Do."

      "But a funny thing always happens, right after a machine does whatever it is that people previously declared a machine would never do. What happens is, that particular act is demoted from the rarefied world of "artificial intelligence", to mere "automation" or "software engineering".

      Apparently, you see, when they said "a machine will never be able to spot-weld a car together", they meant to say "a machine will never be aware that it's welding a car together". So all of those production-line robots aren't actually a triumph of artificial intelligence at all, any more than aircraft autopilots or optical character recognition or the square-root button on a calculator - which, after all, merely duplicated a perfectly obvious slide-rule operation - are.

      But don't worry. Once someone comes up with a computer that can carry on an intelligent IM chat with you, that'll be proper AI. (And a machine will never do it, of course!)"

      Now of course we can cross off "A machine will never be able to beat the champion at jeopardy"
      but of course that's trivial really.... and look at the mistakes it made while beating one of the best human players. obviously since it made odd mistakes it isn't really a triumph of AI.

    18. Re:AI Winter by ultranova · · Score: 2

      All we have managed so far with computers is a linear improvement in computing power.

      Actually, computing power grows exponentially.

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    19. Re:AI Winter by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      " THIS article from just the other day"

      What the hell.
      this is complete bullshit.
      utter utter bullshit.

      "Our total storage capacity is the same as an adult human's DNA. And there are several billion humans on the planet. "

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome:
      3 billion DNA base pairs

      even storing it in plain text without compression that's only 3 gigabytes.
      my external hard drive could store that 1000 times over.

      "the 6.4*10^18 instructions per second that human kind can carry out "

      6.4*10^18=
      6400000000000000000 instructions per second

      http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jxb/INC/l2.pdf

      "The human brain is extremely energy efficient, using approximately 10-16 joules
      per operation per second, whereas the best computers today use around 10-6 joules
      per operation per second."

      6400000000000000000/(10^16)

      640 joules per second.

      1 food calorie = 4.2 kilojoules

      1 Cal every 6.5625 seconds.

      Seconds in a day:86400

      86400/6.5625=13165 calories per day just to keep your brain running.

      actual figure:400 and 500 calories per day

    20. Re:AI Winter by boxwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Shifting goal post? Uh I'm pretty sure the goal post has always been the Turing Test, and that was set before computers were invented.

    21. Re:AI Winter by AaxelB · · Score: 2

      I think the value of the Turing test is that strong AI would be able to pass it, so if something fails the test you know it's *not* strong AI. If a system passes the Turing test, well, it may be strong AI, but it's not conclusive.

    22. Re:AI Winter by paiute · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... really nothing more than a bunch of clever software along with a database of trivia.

      Why do you hate Ken Jennings?

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    23. Re:AI Winter by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      I like your motor vehicle-body comparison.
      But to match it to what people say about AI remember to include hordes of people insisting that motor vehicles are no use because they

      "can't galop like a horse"
      and
      "what would you even do with one which could travel as far or fast as a horse, surely it would just take as much hay to feed and would get angry just as much."

      really all the fuss about the internal combustion engine is just a waste of time an effort.

    24. Re:AI Winter by maliamnon · · Score: 2

      ELIZA passed the Turing Test in 1966. The goal posts HAVE been set and shifted, always in the form of "A machine could never do X". Interestingly, for the Turing Test, the X is simply "fool a human into believing it's human."

    25. Re:AI Winter by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 2

      It took 750 8 cpu systems and 16 terrabytes of RAM to implement watson and that was stretched to the limit.

      So you're saying that with another couple of gigs of RAM, the computer would be able to run Windows Vista with Aero turned on?

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    26. Re:AI Winter by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      No human except me has ever understood speech.

      prove me wrong.

      And before you prove me wrong first read about the Problem Of Other Minds.

    27. Re:AI Winter by Rei · · Score: 2

      You just failed Parrots 101, too. They're hardly mindless mimics.

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  2. Could it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does Ken Jennings read Slashdot comments?

    1. Re:Could it be? by dmomo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he is a slashdot user then he reads the comments, but certainly not TFA. Given his Jeopardy record, It is apparent that he DOES in fact RTFA. Therefore, I concur with 90% confidence that Ken Jennings is not a slashdot reader.

    2. Re:Could it be? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 3, Informative

      no but Watson does.

  3. It can beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy, but... by doubleplusungodly · · Score: 2

    can it do my homework for me?

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    1. Re:It can beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy, but... by PitaBred · · Score: 2

      But it may be able to answer a lot of questions asked by, say, a phone support caller. Most human interactions of use to business aren't essays. They're small question and answer sessions, going back and forth. If a computer can do that even marginally we have no more need for India, which can't do it well either but at least the computer is a sunk cost.

  4. As ken said: by Dayofswords · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I for one welcome our new computer overload.

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  5. Fast on the clicker by MortimerV · · Score: 2

    I didn't watch it all, but the thing I noticed was that, when Watson thought it had an answer, most of the time it'd click in first. The other contestants didn't have a chance to attempt to answer.

    So Watson wins on reaction time, which isn't a surprise for a computer that knows exactly when it can first ring in. How would it have done with a human's reaction time on clicking, just answering on questions alone?

    1. Re:Fast on the clicker by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2

      From that page:

      "They're not waiting for the light to come on," Welty said; rather, the human players try to time their buzzer presses so that they're coming in as close as possible to the light. Though Watson's reaction times are faster than a human, Welty noted that Watson has to wait for the light.

      There's more to it than that, also -- it's often the case that Watson isn't sure it has the right answer, and you're penalized for wrong answers. Also, I'm not positive, but I think I saw in some of the trial runs that there were a few cases it actually was slower than a human -- where it came up with the right answer, eventually, but humans beat it easily to the buzzer. I'm not sure if that's the case, but I can definitely believe it -- there's a lot of stuff to sort through, and they're running a lot of algorithms on it.

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    2. Re:Fast on the clicker by artor3 · · Score: 2

      Actually, based on the article you linked, Watson does have an advantage on the buzzer. The human players have to guess when the light will come on and try to press right afterward - one instant early and your buzzer is disabled. The computer can "see" the light come on and press immediately. It's reaction time is likely measured in microseconds. You try timing a button press to come in during a 100 microsecond window.

      If they were interested in a good game, they should have designed it to simulate a typical human reaction time, but that's not the point. The point was the proof of concept - that the machine can answer Jeopardy questions accurately. Really, they didn't even need the human players there, it would have been just as interesting to see it blaze through the board solo.

    3. Re:Fast on the clicker by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 2

      I remember an interview with Ken, he said he would push the button even though he didn't know the answer, and he hoped he would figure it out in time. Most of the time it was a winning method, but sometimes it wasn't.

    4. Re:Fast on the clicker by EvanED · · Score: 2

      To be specific, Watson got correct answers at the end of each question. He didn't get incorrect answers (that he could potentially have learned from) as demonstrated by the 1920s thing.

    5. Re:Fast on the clicker by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's an important part of the strategy of the game, though, unless you want every question to be Final Jeopardy. This is actually most interesting in team-based competitions. When I was in high school, we had a pretty specialized Quiz Bowl team: one "twitch" guy for the ones everyone knew, one history buff, one science and math, and one slow-but-deep who would never ring in first but who knew every obscure topic.

    6. Re:Fast on the clicker by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      I don't really care what the article says. I watched the whole thing. If he had no advantage, then he should have only gotten to answer first about one third of the time on the easier questions. That did not happen. I think out of the whole three days I saw Watson get beat to the buzzer roughly twice on his "green" (high-certianty) answers. I lost track of how many time I saw the two humans standing there pressing their controllers with frustrated looks on their faces. There is no doubt he was better at the buzzer than the humans. If they were trying to make that part even, they failed.

  6. I couldn't help but notice that I was right... by mark-t · · Score: 2

    ... that Watson tended to fare poorer against the human beings when the clues were very terse.

    That said, I don't want to dismiss the natural language recognition capabilities of Watson. They are no small feat, and by all rights, the designers of it should be congratulated on this effort. Nevertheless, with respect to the game of Jeopardy, I remain convinced that Watson's key advantage over the other players was that it is essentially a super-fast speed reader, having a few moments to pontificate the clue before any human could possibly be finished reading it. If the text of the clue had been transmitted to Watson more slowly to approximate the menial task of reading, I think it might have been a better indicator of whether or not Watson was actually out-thinking Brad and Ken. A speed I think would be appropriate to transmit the text of the clue at is about the same as what you'd get with a 14,400 bps modem, which still would amount to insanely fast speed reading, but it's at least within an order of magnitude of what is humanly achievable. Then, the amount of time that Watson has to think about the clue gets a lot closer to how much time the other players get to think about it. As it sits, Watson gets to start trying to parse the entire sentence before any human has even finished reading the first word.

    Of course, I don't think that Deep Blue really out-played Kasparov on a level playing field either... I would be far more impressed if they could design a chess-playing computer that only considers a few hundred board combinations and still plays at a grandmaster level, since that is all that even the best human grandmasters do.

    1. Re:I couldn't help but notice that I was right... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Don't forget clicker speed.....there were many times that the two humans knew the correct answer and the computer won. That's an advantage that can't be ignored.

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    2. Re:I couldn't help but notice that I was right... by maliamnon · · Score: 2

      Are you also going to say the Wright brothers cheated because their flying machine didn't flap it's wings? ... I understand (and agree) that Watson should actually have to read the clues, but it's not always (or perhaps ever) right to assume that the way us pitiful humans (or birds) do something is the best way to do it.

  7. We do know that... by Trip6 · · Score: 2

    ...it was us that scorched the sky...

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  8. Underwhelming achievement by David+Jao · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Despite all the media hype, I for one am not at all impressed by this feat.

    Various media articles have made clear that Watson has no visual or auditory input. Presumably Watson is receiving a direct digital feed of the tournament questions (oops, answers, I forgot this is Jeopardy). That alone gives Watson a huge timing advantage over the human competitors, who must (effectively) perform voice recognition and OCR to process the clues. On top of that, Watson has the computer-controlled ability to buzz in in four milliseconds, again giving it a huge advantage over the humans, and one that has nothing to do with AI.

    Buzzer timing and strategy is a highly significant part of the game of Jeopardy. Given its direct digital feed and its internal computer clock, Watson is not playing this part of the game by the same rules as the humans. Thus, it's not fair to say that Watson wins a "Jeopardy" contest -- Watson has a huge unnatural advantage. In effect, Watson is not playing the same game as what we normally call "Jeopardy." A real Jeopardy contestant has to use eyes and ears and hands in addition to brain.

    To be clear, I do think Watson is a worthy achievement. But this feeling is overshadowed by my constant annoyance at the media and others who incorrectly label this achievement as somehow winning a game of Jeopardy.

    1. Re:Underwhelming achievement by ArtDent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correction: competitors must perform voice recognition or OCR to process the clues. The clues are displayed and read, and the contestants are free to ignore either form, if they wish. Similarly, Watson could have had a camera trained on the monitor and performed OCR on the clue. But, given that OCR has been done brilliantly by computers for years now, would adding that into the mix have made much difference at all?

      Regarding ringing in, the contestants also get a signal indicating when they can do it, but it's visual. It would have been easy enough to add another camera trained on the light, but why bother?

      The engineers involved were trying to solve the interesting problems. Delivering input to each contestant in the most convenient form doesn't seem like much of a concession.

    2. Re:Underwhelming achievement by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's good marketing for IBM in general, I suppose, but I'm not sure what Ken Jennings and Alex Trebek are getting out of it besides announcing their pending obsolescence.

      As another poster said, Jennings and the Jeopardy crew are making good money from this. As for IBM, they benefit in a few ways - firstly, the techniques learned in making the software will be very, very marketable, even if you don't see a box marked "Watson" on the shelf any time soon, and I'm sure the public challenge was a good way to keep the dev team motivated and enthusiastic. Secondly, the publicity; I know you realise that was part of their goal, but I think perhaps you underestimate just how successful it was - the general public are enthusiastically talking about what is essentially an IBM tech demo. I doubt most of the people I see discussing this would look twice at a more traditional story about some piece of random computer science research, even if it did happen to get a column somewhere on page 15 of a mass-media publication. The IBM name is becoming synonymous with AI, and it endures; people still talk about Deep Blue, and that was over a decade ago. A shiny superbowl ad that people talk about for a week is 'good marketing', and I think this goes many levels beyond that.

    3. Re:Underwhelming achievement by David+Jao · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, you are wrong about the buzz in. It gives the humans an advantage. The reason is that Watson has a mechanical buzzer that it presses. So the only advantage would come from reacting faster. However, the rules state that you can buzz in only after the host has finished reading the clue. If you buzz in earlier then you are penalized by .25sec.

      Watson has a computer clock. It never buzzes in early, and it never suffers the .25sec penalty. The humans did suffer this penalty on several occasions.

      It's ridiculous beyond belief to claim that the humans had the advantage in buzzing in.

    4. Re:Underwhelming achievement by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since the "controversy" in question is some dude on Slashdot shitting on an achievement orders of magnitude bigger than anything he will ever achieve, I sincerely doubt it made their radar.

    5. Re:Underwhelming achievement by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      Because it was irrelevant, and would've added nothing? They didn't attach a bubble-blowing machine to it either.

      I can imagine some people getting nit-picky about the exact mechanics of how Jeopardy is played. I couldn't imagine someone turning these differences into some sort of conspiracy, but there you are.

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  9. Re:Waton's Wagering and HAL 9000 by ArtDent · · Score: 2

    The IBM Research blog has had a few good articles about Watson over the past few days, including one about wagering:

    http://ibmresearchnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/watsons-wagering-strategies.html

    I didn't think that Final Jeopardy would have been especially easy for Watson. The majority of the clue was indirectly related to the correct response, and the connection hinged on a single word (inspired). I suspect Jennings' behavior was based more on simple arithmetic than on any assumptions about Watson's response.

  10. Re:Buzzer speed. by JMZero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Uh - Watson obviously, obviously had a speed advantage. On today's episode there were many, many obvious answers (obvious to me - to Ken Jennings or Brad Rutter, blindingly - stupidly blindingly - obvious). Watson got almost all the obvious questions, and many times you could see the little eye roll of frustration from Ken and Brad.

    On questions like this, Ken and Brad would have been waiting and trying to time the ring in (they would have known the answer long before the buzzer was active).

    They lost almost every time.

    So while the computer may not have had an absolute advantage (ie. if Ken could have rung in within milliseconds of the buzzer being active he would have been OK) it's clear it had an effective one in that it's a bloody machine that can ring in very quickly after the buzzer is active. I mean, yeah, it's cool that the computer knows the answer that fast - but we didn't get to see anything of a comparison of who knew a greater percentage of answers.

    And, again, this was absolutely, obviously clear to anyone who watched the show. I don't believe anyone could have watched the show and not realize this. Honestly, this is a problem even without the computer. Between high level contestants, buzzer speed is going to determine the winner 9 times out of 10 - the Jeopardy questions just aren't hard enough to distinguish between the best competitors. Oh, and somewhere else in this article someone said "that's part of the game". That's true. But it's a stupid part of the game - and it makes it impossible to compare competitors with different brain technologies in any interesting way.

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  11. Re:Wasn't this taped awhile ago by dlgeek · · Score: 2

    There was a practice round, and it was widely circulated that Watson had won that, though it wasn't true - it dominated the first two rounds but Ken pulled ahead with a huge wager in a double jeopardy and then another in final jeopardy (which Watson got wrong). The results of the actual challenge did not leak.

  12. Re:Buzzer speed. by InsaneMosquito · · Score: 2

    That is incorrect: Wired.com: And of course, the best Jeopardy players sometimes ring in before they may have come up with the answer, if they have, dare I say it, a gut feeling or sense of intuition that theyâ(TM)ll be able to answer correctly, right? Watson canâ(TM)t do that, can it? Brown: The IBM Research team made a decision that we were not going to ring in unless Watson had already computed an answer with high-enough confidence. There are human players who may have an intuition that they know the answer but donâ(TM)t quite have it on the tip of their tongue, and are willing to ring in because they are confident enough that they will come up with the correct answer in the few seconds they have to actually answer after theyâ(TM)ve won the buzz. That was an implementation decision for Watson that it had to have an answer with a high-enough confidence before it would attempt to ring in. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/02/ibm-watson-speed/

  13. Wrong answers by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought the wrong/skipped answers were much more illuminating than the right answers.

    For example, much has been made of Watson's "Toronto" answer to the US Cities question in Game 1. However, it wasn't a terrible answer because one of Toronto's airports is named after a war hero (Billy Bishop, the WWI fighter ace who shot down the Red Baron), and the main airport (Pearson) was named after a politician who was also a WWI veteran. Watson knew that Toronto wasn't in the US, the war was wrong and neither were named after a battle, but Toronto was the least wrong of all its options so that's what it chose. If this question had come up in the regular rounds Watson would have skipped (as happened occasionally). However, it needed to answer so it went with the best available option.

    Now, since Watson would certainly have had data on O'Hare, Midway and Chicago in its database, the problem was either in the question parsing or the search heuristics. One suspects that its weakness is the linking together of disparate data, and it's quite likely that humans will retain this edge for some time.

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    1. Re:Wrong answers by Schiphol · · Score: 5, Informative

      An explanation of the Toronto gaffe by IBM.

    2. Re:Wrong answers by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      For example, much has been made of Watson's "Toronto" answer to the US Cities question in Game 1. However, it wasn't a terrible answer because one of Toronto's airports is named after a war hero (Billy Bishop, the WWI fighter ace who shot down the Red Baron), and the main airport (Pearson) was named after a politician who was also a WWI veteran.

      Watson should have information in its database that WWI is NOT WWII. WWII was mentioned twice in the clue. A dumb substring search for "WWI" as a string will bring up "WWII" (the first three characters are identical, after all), but Watson isn't a scaled up version of strcmp().

      OTOH, maybe us Canadians should thank the US for annexing Toronto...

  14. Re:Skynet by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 2

    Thankyou, thankyou. I'll be here all week, make sure to tip your waitress.

    She is a cow, and that is a pastime in my part of the country...

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  15. Re:30 years? Try 5 or 10. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2

    Even assuming Moore's Law holds, it's roughly $1-2 billion. Now, it looks like Moore said 2 years, but let's be generous and assume 18 months -- 10 years is 120 months, 120/18 is roughly 6.67 iterations of Moore's Law -- let's be generous and round up to 7.

    2**7 is 128. So assuming it stays exactly the same size, the very best you can expect is $1 billion / 128 = $7,812,500. Could software save it? Maybe, if you expect software to get 390,625 times faster.

    I can't find much on the dimensions, but it's a room-sized cluster right now. What's a 128th of a room? A quick Google suggests the typical college dorm room is 12'x19', so 228 square feet. So, a 128th of the area is still more than a square foot... times however tall it is. Again, you'd have to expect the software to get many times faster.

    And predictions are that Moore's Law is going to slow down or outright stop, not speed up. Experience shows that software tends to at best stay about the same speed, if not get slower as people take advantage of higher-level (but often slower) constructs both to manage complexity and out of laziness (the power's available, may as well use it). Sometimes it does improve, but it's certainly not the norm.

    Still think it'll take 10 years? Maybe in 5 there'll be a terminal to one that fits in your pocket, but the actual machine? I very much doubt it.

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  16. Re:Waton's Wagering and HAL 9000 by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    It was probably intentional that they did not give it a realistic, human-sounding voice. Research has shown that people do not want machines to appear too human. They react negatively.

    [citation needed]

    [Star Trek and Asimov references don't count]

    Actually, I think humans DO want robots that appear very human, and have wanted them for hundreds of years. I'd also put it to you that humans do and have, in fact, reacted in certain positive ways towards machines that appear human.

    The dame de voyage (French) or dama de viaje (Spanish) was a direct predecessor to today's sex dolls that originated in the seventeenth century. Dames de voyage were makeshift fornicatory dolls made of sewn cloth or old clothes, used by French and Spanish sailors while isolated at sea during long voyages.

    -- Ferguson, Anthony. The Sex Doll: A History. McFarland, 2010

    One of the earliest recorded appearances of manufactured sex dolls dates to 1908, in Iwan Bloch's The Sexual Life of Our Time. Bloch wrote:

    In this connection we may refer to fornicatory acts effected with artificial imitations of the human body, or of individual parts of that body. There exist true Vaucansons in this province of pornographic technology, clever mechanics who, from rubber and other plastic materials, prepare entire male or female bodies, which, as hommes or dames de voyage, subserve fornicatory purposes. More especially are the genital organs represented in a manner true to nature. Even the secretion of Bartholin's glans is imitated, by means of a "pneumatic tube" filled with oil. Similarly, by means of fluid and suitable apparatus, the ejaculation of the semen is imitated. Such artificial human beings are actually offered for sale in the catalogue of certain manufacturers of "Parisian rubber articles.

    -- Bloch, Iwan. The Sexual Life of Our Time

    So, yeah, it may be a bit taboo to some people, but not admitting to your family that your girlfriend is a Nexus 6 doesn't count as "reacting negatively" to the idea of humanoid machines.

    On the average, I'd say people at fascinated by human-like machines (see: Androids/cyborgs in science fiction, or, uh, the 80s/early 90s for fuck's sake, it was full of interest) -- Curiosity is a positive trait in my book, and lusting after our machines is a trait that people from gear-heads to PC Gamers and realdoll owners all share to a degree.

    (Keep in mind: As a new technolgy TV was unsettling to some, but like all common place technology it's not a big deal now)

  17. Re:Skynet by somejeff · · Score: 2

    This computer later became Skynet.

    Yet ironically, Watson failed to score on any of the "Also On Your Computer Keys" category.
    Some poor IBM intern is getting reamed for not giving Watson a keyboard to refer to, on the podium.

  18. Computers Designing Computers by red_flea · · Score: 2

    Isaac Asimov saw the day coming when man would not be smart enough to design the next version of a computer. The computer would have to design its own successor, each supremely more powerful and yet smaller than the last. Extrapolating this trend over many iterations, the computer becomes uniquely supreme in power and omniscience. But we have a different word for that.

    A classic only a few pages long and worth a read, The Last Question, by Isaac Asimov.

  19. It's just people whining by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They miss the real point: That a computer could do a level of natural language processing that was impossible before. They get caught up on bitching about how it wasn't "perfectly fair" or the computer "didn't act just like a human." No, it didn't it is a computer and that was never the point. The point was to try and develop a system that could process a natural language question and extract an accurate answer. It does this amazingly well, better than anything before by leaps and bounds.

    The choice of Jeopardy as a medium was for two reasons:

    1) It is a ready made challenging format. It is something that is not well suited for a computer or designed for it in any way, and there is a lot of data to work with. Made it a good choice as something to work on designing and testing for.

    2) It is a good exhibition/publicity chance. It is a way to show off the research, to generate interest in it. It brings it to the masses in a way they can understand. Some abstract talk about a computer in a lab that parses natural language means nothing. This shows a computer doing something pretty impressive against impressive humans. Really drives it home.

    Unfortunately people get all whiny and defensive about it because they feel this is somehow an attack on humanity. They want to find ways to justify that it wasn't "really a fair test" to prove to themselves that the computers haven't "won."

    That is just missing the point entirely. They never claimed Watson was a perfect human analogue (were that the case they would have gone for a rather different demonstration probably). They claimed it was an amazing data mining and parsing system, and they had a cool way to show that off.

    Personally, I think it is just amazing and represents a new stage in computer language processing.

  20. Kinda missing the point by Namarrgon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares, if Watson's artificial reflexes gave it a few milliseconds' advantage on the buzzer? Who even cares if it'd take it a second longer to read the clue via OCR? So what if Watson would be 5% faster or 10% slower, if conditions were slightly different? Moore's Law makes that level of difference utterly irrelevant - in 18 months time, Watson will be *100% faster* (or even today, if IBM just threw more hardware at it).

    Deep Blue vs Kasparov was fascinating at the time, but is uninteresting now for the same reason. A decent desktop PC can play at that level. And comparing human vs machine play styles is also largely pointless, in the same way that comparing birds and jets is pointless.

    The important part, by far, is that Watson parsed the questions, linked the clues and searched for statistically relevant answers in a human-like time. The amazing fact is, it can actually do it *at all*. Now that today's systems can do this sort of language parsing and information retrieval in a "reasonable" time, it will be increasingly trivial for tomorrow's. It is now all but inevitable that we will have Watson-like systems available to the public, in numerous fields, in corporations and on the web, in your PCs and even your game consoles, in a brief handful of years.

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  21. Re:30 years? Try 5 or 10. by the+linux+geek · · Score: 2

    Then there's the little problem that below 22nm (or 18, or maybe a little lower), all bets are off as far as whether Moore's Law continues to apply. We may very well be approaching the end of the "make computers faster by putting more transistors on a chip" phase of technological evolution.

  22. Re:30 years? Try 5 or 10. by Rakarra · · Score: 2

    It's not going to take 30 years for that system to fit in your pocket and cost $20. It's going to take 5 or 10.

    Why 5 or 10? Devices as fast and sophisticated as the supercomputers of 2006 or 2001 are not available pocket-sized or for $20 today.

  23. Re:30 years? Try 5 or 10. by Omnifarious · · Score: 2

    I think a better method than a back-of-the envelope calculation like you've made there is to instead look at the amount of space now occupied by a system as powerful as a room-sized setup in 2001. Unfortunately, I don't have any good room-sized setups from 2001 to use as an example.

    Secondly, you are ignoring a few factors. One is that cost isn't an issue. Most of the cost of Watson was likely in software. The software has been made now. Another copy costs absolutely nothing to make. Another is that there are other technologies likely to replace lithography that are likely cheaper and can manage a smaller feature size. I don't think Moore's Law has reached the limit we think it will.

    And while you don't ignore the software becoming more efficient, I think that the way you calculate other costs magnifies how much more efficient the software has to become. I would imagine a 10 or even 100-fold increase in the efficiency of the software (though this raises the cost), but not 390000.

  24. Re:30 years? Try 5 or 10. by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Again, you'd have to expect the software to get many times faster.

    I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption though, parsing a natural sentence into computer logic seems like a very hard problem. Languages are full of idiosyncrasies, ambiguities, implied context, fuzzy definitions and subtly changing meaning.

    Let's for example take "named after", and that you can properly parse the sentence to find "name" is a transitive verb and "after" is a preposition. That narrows it down to 5 and 12 meanings respectively:

    tr.v. named, namÂing, names
    1. To give a name to: named the child after both grandparents.
    2. To mention, specify, or cite by name: named the primary colors.
    3. To call by an epithet: named them all cowards.
    4. To nominate for or appoint to a duty, an office, or an honor. See Synonyms at appoint.
    5. To specify or fix: We need to name the time for our meeting.
    adj. Informal
    Well-known by a name: a name performer.

    â" prep
    1. following in time; in succession to: after dinner ; time after time
    2. following; behind: they entered one after another
    3. in pursuit or search of: chasing after a thief ; he's only after money
    4. concerning: to inquire after his health
    5. considering: after what you have done, you shouldn't complain
    6. next in excellence or importance to: he ranked Jonson after Shakespeare
    7. in imitation of; in the manner of: a statue after classical models
    8. in accordance with or in conformity to: a man after her own heart
    9. with a name derived from: Mary was named after her grandmother
    10. ( US ) past (the hour of): twenty after three
    11. after all
              a. in spite of everything: it's only a game, after all
              b. in spite of expectations, efforts, etc: he won the race after all!
    12. after you please go, enter, etc, before me

    You can spend lots of power trying to brute force score it into 5*12 possible combinations. Or you could ignore human word boundaries and make "named after" a phrase with a specific meaning. I imagine that by special casing such constructs you could improve performance immensely.

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  25. cheating ... by georgesdev · · Score: 2

    The computer received questions through typed entries at the same time as host Alex Trebek read them out loud

    I think this qualifies as cheating for an artificial intelligence demo!

  26. One good news by JTsyo · · Score: 2

    No one came back in time during the game to take out Watson. So we can reason that either time travel doesn't exists or that Watson doesn't end up being a problem for humanity's future. Guess the third option is that Watson was successful in eliminating all the humans.