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Oracle's Open Source Identity Reborn At ForgeRock
darthcamaro writes "Oracle trashed a lot of former Sun technologies — not the least of which is Sun's open source identity platform which included OpenSSO and OpenDS. Now open source startup ForgeRock has taken those castoffs and created a business that has been running successfully for year. 'My personal goal here is to prove that you can have an open source business that is profitable,' said Simon Phipps, former chief open source officer at Sun and now chief strategy officer at ForgeRock. 'Having principles and having profit are not mutually exclusive.'"
Are they encased in red wax?
So he hasn't heard of Red Hat then?
http://openwonderland.org/ is about to celebrate their first post-fork anniversary
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"'Having principles and having profit are not mutually exclusive.'""
Principal profits is exclusively for those who have.
Oracle's porn name?
It probably means they haven't burned through their VC funding yet. Give it time.
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It means they have a CEO, CSO (S = Strategy) and 5 vice presidents. (Do they even have employees that write code?).
I think it means they used up their VC cash and are desperate for Oracle to buy them out.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Oracle trashed a lot of former Sun technologies â" not the least of which is Sun's open source identity platform which included OpenSSO and OpenDS.
Uh.. I don't get it. Oracle still sells these, the DS anyway, maybe Sun's SSO was tossed, but Oracle had their own identity platform too. It's surprising enough that Sun's DS is still available and prominently listed.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/middleware/id-mgmt/overview/index-085178.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen
And, the corresponding open source projects are still here http://www.opends.org/ and here http://java.net/projects/opensso
Is this a silly way to say Oracle is not commercializing Sun's open source versions of the projects Oracle _owns_ and is selling? Isn't that kind of good for open source? I would think more distance between Oracle and OpenDS/OpenSSO would be a GOOD thing for the health of the open source projects?
Oh.. this is a slashvertisement, shit, and I fell for it.
Open Source does not have to be FOSS. Why not charge those that profit? If we are going to have motivation for companies to invest in open source rather than proprietary solutions, there there needs to be more than a warm fuzzy feeling. Open Source offered for free for non-profit or personal use and a fee for for-profit use could work. True, it may harder to collect revenue, so fees will have to be kept low enough to make payment cheaper than avoidance. Or am I just smokin' rope?
Solarryus.
If Larry is in to profit he is in for it all; any kindness would result in less profit.
Look at it this way, Ponytail went too far in open sourcing everything he could, he literally slashed Sun's throat, Oracle has participated in open source
previous to the Sun acquisition and I suspect will continue to do so; what they will not do is lift their britches for free.
I don't like where the support model is head for Solaris, someone got the idea that 20% of their customer base resulted in 80% of their profit, this equation often
holds true, if you cut the 80 percent that is left and look at the 20% as 100% you'll be able to once more say 80% of my profit comes from 20% of my customers.
Either way I see a lot of the whining coming out of the Sun acquisition coming from the very same people who put Sun in a position to be acquired.
As someone who has made a fairly good career out of supporting Solaris I believe what Larry is doing will at the very least keep Solaris around for a while longer
and that suits me just fine.
Unix, an obscure operating system developed by bored researchers in an attempt to get a better game playing experience.
Most companies have a whole department of those people. They're called "Project Managers."
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Without actually reading TFA, it could be "for a year" or "for years". Such "minor" mistakes only serve to increase ambiguity and make it harder to get at the actual meaning behind the words.
Plus, you'd think it'd be embarrassing by now to have that kind of sloppiness on the Slashdot front page.
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Worst Sun product ever in the universe:
Sun One web server. Formerly (a long time ago) Netscape Server.
Good Lord, if ever a product deserved brutal murder ... but that thing can't die.
I leave it off my resume. I even still have ClearCase there and I leave Sun One web server off.
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Na, I definitely vote for Identity Manager. Well, it's not really a Sun product, they just bought it, but that xml language to create workflows was more than horrible The webserver was not that bad IMHO. Never had any real problems with it, but I didn't do a lot with it.
> you'd think it'd be embarrassing by now to have that kind of sloppiness on the Slashdot front page.
Ha! Gotcha!
Ok, it was an in-joke that you couldn't have spotted. Slashdot pay someone to add minor sloppiness just to wind you up. Your comments give them a much needed laugh on a slow Saturday.
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Oracle does suck.
The only people who don't think so are the people in charge of Oracle.
Nobody likes doing business with Oracle; rational people consider it a necessary evil, like taking a dump after a big meal.
Sun's business was built on taking BSD UNIX and making it proprietary, then degrading it further and further. Later, they lied about Java and open source, laying the groundwork for Oracle's lawsuits.
With that history and those credentials, why would I ever trust the man responsible for open source at Sun?
The Darkstar fork is also still very active:
http://www.reddwarfserver.org/
I believe all traces of iPlanet/SunOne were exorcised when Glassfish junked the last native parts when going from version 2.x to 3.x
OpenAM (OpenSSO) still calls its cookie iPlanetDirectoryPro though...
DS as in Directory Server. Your nerd-fu is weak, you play too many games.
No, they open sourced my foot up your arse.
Far be it for anyone to question you, Mr Sr. Director, but one of the advantages of this open source stuff is that people can fact-check you pretty easily. So I did.
The OpenDS change log is at http://java.net/projects/opends/sources/svn/history?page=1&theme=java.net and while there have indeed been a bunch of updates made, they all seemed to dry up about two months ago (apart from a lone update made this week).
The OpenDJ change log is at http://sources.forgerock.org/changelog/opendj/ and it seems to me that it is being actively maintained at the moment.
So while I am sure your words read precisely are factually correct (work has happened since last February), they don't seem to me to recognize the actual situation (nothing much has happened this year). To my eyes, it looks like the Forgerock people are increasing their engagement with the code, while your people have given up. And the only real FUD I can find doing searches is you saying the OpenDJ project is a bad thing because, well, forks are always bad, right. Unless I've found the wrong OpenDS and OpenDJ logs - I've never looked at either before so I may have it all wrong I suppose.
So. This "next level" you speak about. Is it a level with locked doors that none of us can get into to fact-check you?