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Employer Facebook Password Requests Suspended
Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that Maryland's Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services has suspended a roughly year-old practice of asking prospective employees to voluntarily divulge their user names and passwords to social media Web sites such as Facebook. In a statement, the department said requests for user names and passwords had been voluntary, and had not been taken into account when evaluating job applicants. Nonetheless, 'in light of these concerns raised by the ACLU and because this is a newly emerging area in the law, the department has suspended the process of asking for social media information for 45 days to review the procedure and to make sure it is being used consistently and appropriately.'" We covered this story back when the ACLU took the case.
I'll give them my password! But I was taught to change my password if I accidentally show it to someone, so I guess I should go change it now, too!
Here is how I would implement a policy like that. I would ask, all applicants for their facebook username and password up front.
Then, everyone who gave it to me, would get a polite letter informing them that they did not get the job because they so easily violated the TOS of facebook, with whom they had a standing agreement before they applied with us. Thus, there is no way that we could trust them with access credentials on our system.
You failed the test, you are the weakest link, goodbye.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
I just love to hear that disclosure was voluntary when you were interviewing for a job! Sure, it's voluntary, don't tell us and you don't get the job. I'm not sure about private companies making that "voluntary" request -- but certainly not a government agency.
Not if the person has their account set to private (only their friends can see stuff).
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Here's what I'd say:
User name: Fuck
Password: You
Only friends and advertisers that facebook sell you to. Remember, at facebook, your information is the product.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Wait, so "requests had been voluntary, and had not been taken into account when evaluating job applicants." If that statement is true then asking for the information serves absolutely no purpose at all. Seriously, was their only purpose to invade their employees privacy and put them in a potentially conflicting situation?!
If their statement is true then this raises even more serious questions about what this information was used for. If it was a lie then we need to ask why they feel they need to lie about this program (hint: it is illegal either way).
You say "they" as if the people who run the government are an entirely different species than everyone else. In the USA, "they" derive their power from the consent (albeit a rather apathetic consent) of the people "they" govern.
It is unfortunate, but a lot of the worst abuses of the rights and freedoms that Americans are supposed to have are widely supported by the people themselves. Try telling someone that the War on Drugs may not be constitutional, or that too many people are in jail, or that prison sentences are too long, or that the police have too much power, or that there are just too many laws, and see the sort of reaction that you will get; with the exception of my libertarian friends (I am not a libertarian), I am almost exclusively met with expressions shock when I make any such statements. The concept of a society in which our freedoms are not curtailed further with each passing year seems to make people uncomfortable; that is why the government gets away with it.
Palm trees and 8
They could have my user names and logins, but not my passwords or any other credentials. Just asking would pretty much make at least me turn around and walk out, likely rather annoyed at having wasted my time on such losers. Why don't they ask for my address book and business card files while at it? Can I have theirs?
do they think we're stupid?
They don't think you are stupid. They think the people they're hiring are stupid and have a passion for yielding/wielding command as part of a hierarchy with no regard to the consequences of their actions.
Considering they're hiring prison guards, that's a fair assumption.
Andy Dufresne unfriended the Sisters and they let him be, but I can't.
Lets face it, They say it has no bearing on the process but we all know it is BS.
Heck, 20 years ago I worked for Pinkerton. The hiring process had a list of "Optional" questions. Things like
What church do you attend?
Do you believe in the second coming of Christ?
Are you gay?
Are you the type of person to drop the hanky?
etc, etc
They make sure to state that it did not effect the hiring process, however, those that did not answer the questions were let go within 30 days of being hired. For me, I was asked to work 2 back to back 12 hour shifts, then dismissed for a dirty uniform.
Lets face it, if they have the information they will use it!
"We're only asking about your religious preference because y'know, we're just *curious*. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not were going to hire you, really. So that's OK, right?"
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
To be honest, I don't think it deserves such deep analysis.
It probably started off simply being "a good idea" dreamt up by some clueless middle manager to exert some power over potential minions but, as usual for 21st Century Management Trainees, he/she didn't even stop to consider the ramifications of such a decision when it came to privacy etc.
I bet if you go to them in 45 days time and ask them what they're decision is on the matter, you'll get a "What Facebook password issue?" response - this is because middle managers, being bereft of backbones, are incapable of just saying "Yep, I fucked up, it was a crap idea and sorry for causing such hassle."
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"Things like this are all the more reason to never use social networking sites, ever." ;)
Fixed that for you
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
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Anybody (American) who cares about these kinds of issues should send a thank you in the form of a few dollars to the ACLU. When the government tries pulling this kind of bullshit, they're the ones who have your back.
Because in The Day this type of behaviour was according to US politicians only expected from communist dictatorships.
This type of behaviour includes the ban on Unionisation in Wisconsin, 30 years ago US diplomats, politicians and the free press would have had a field day blasting such policies.
Would Barack Obama today be the same man he was during his presidential campaign he'd be drawing blood among the officials responsible for those infractions against general human rights.
Or just imagine how Ronald Reagan would have responded...
The bottom line is: the USofA does not have any useful privacy legislation.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
I don't have a Facebook account. No, really, I don't. Now what? I don't get hired? Sounds like a lawsuit to me.
Bow before me, for I am root.
You say "they" as if the people who run the government are an entirely different species than everyone else. In the USA, "they" derive their power from the consent (albeit a rather apathetic consent) of the people "they" govern.
I apologize in advance for being that guy that invokes Godwin's Law, but I think that the same result of governance-through-apathy could be shown to be a major part of most antagonists of human rights.
I just wanted to point this out in the defense of other Americans like the OP, to show that it's nothing the Americans have done differently or worse - in fact I might argue that it's human nature. It doesn't detract from your point at all, I completely agree with you - but it's unrealistic at this point in history to be surprised by the apathy of the majority of any group of peoples.
Yes, in fact, they do sell your information to advertisers.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
"Democracy is the worst possible political system. Except for all the others."
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
But hey, lets just let all those child molesters, murderers, thieves etc, out and see how safe you feel.
You mean drug users, right? Cause the number of arrests for drug abuse has risen dramatically, while all other crime has dropped (in some cases just as dramatically) in the last 15-20 years. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=kftp&tid=3
...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
Lesson:Never give government more power than it barely needs to function. Stop voting with (D) or (R) who use Government to usurp the power of the people for their own greedy desires.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
"Democracy replaces the corruption of a few with the incompetence of the many." -- I don't remember who said it.
They're hiring people to guard people who have either fucked up, either big time, like murder, or small time, like shoplifting. Either way, most of those people are going to get out eventually, and whether or not they fuck up again depends partly on how they are treated during their time in prison. Do they learn job skills that expand their economic opportunities? Do they learn the social and behavior skills to get along?
Prison guards are part of the process of rehabilitation. In a sane society, the job would pay six figures and require an advanced degree in criminology (plus extensive martial arts training).
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The U.S. is a Representative Democracy -- a type of democracy -- and a Republic -- a nation whose leader is not a hereditary monarch. These are two orthogonal properties of nations.
We are not a Direct Democracy, which is what people saying "the U.S. isn't a Democracy" usually mean. But we are assuredly a Democracy. And the same comments, issued by Winston Churchill (who was in part describing his own country, which is a Representative Democracy as well), apply.
A Representative Democracy is four wolves and a sheep voting on who is going to decide what's for dinner. :)
The enemies of Democracy are
Thanks for the link, very instructive !
Previous posters that mentioned having something dirtier in mind while trying to figure out what the expression means probably imagined dropping something like this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hankey,_the_Christmas_Poo
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