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New Internal Cavity X-ray Technology for Airports

Thanks to a new type of X-ray scanner unveiled in Australia, annoyed TSA agents won't have to send you to a hospital for a body cavity scan, they can do it in-house. Officials say that more than 4,600 man-hours were wasted last year in hospitals waiting for scans. From the article: "Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor said the scanners would also help innocent travelers. 'The option of an internal body scan will more quickly exonerate the innocent and ensure a minimum of delay for legitimate travelers,' Mr O'Connor said."

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  1. Uh by jimmerz28 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the TSA employed more attractive people they wouldn't have to send us away to hospitals for body cavity reports.

    1. Re:Uh by Plekto · · Score: 2

      Don't give them any ideas.

    2. Re:Uh by Gubbe · · Score: 2

      ... that has a side effect of giving you colon cancer.

    3. Re:Uh by rouzuki · · Score: 2

      TSA Agent: Well sir I've got good news and bad news. The good news is, you didn't have cancer. The bad news is, you do now.

    4. Re:Uh by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Sorry but when she breaks out the 10 inch "scanner wand" with the straps I'm afraid I'm gonna have to change the channel there bud.

      Seriously though how much longer are we gonna keep wasting money on this security theater bullshit? The Israelis aren't doing this crap and they have a hell of a lot more threats to deal with than we do. As Bruce Schneier pointed out with all their "enhanced security" bullshit they still miss 70% of knives,30% of guns, and 60% of fake bombs used to test their system. I think we can all agree for the money being spent that would equal a giant fail in anybody's book.

      So maybe we should do as Schneier suggests and better spend that money on intelligence gathering and boots on the ground? Because with stats like that the odds they will actually stop anybody who really wants to do harm is pretty damned slim.

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  2. I thought it was... by Itesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Innocent until proven guilty not prove that you are innocent?

    1. Re:I thought it was... by toastar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Innocent until proven guilty not prove that you are innocent?

      Not in Australia, The whole place is a prison for god's sake.

    2. Re:I thought it was... by theghost · · Score: 2

      They can't even find guns with scanners and full-body gropers and you expect them to be able to know the difference between a real document and a forgery?

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    3. Re:I thought it was... by morcego · · Score: 2

      Because the TSA people don't have enough clearance to verify yours is real ?
      Kinda funny, people with less clearance than you questioning you on that ....

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    4. Re:I thought it was... by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      The standard badge, in use in many intelligence agencies, has an RFID. I wave it in front of a door, and it opens. People wear them all over the place. That Clear company that lost the laptop (reported here a few times) tried to basically do the same thing: make a separate line for people who were cleared so TSA can process them faster. Good idea, but Clear obviously mishandled it. There are standards for various IDs. Why can't they implement one and save themselves time and money searching all those people? "Loyal" citizens or not, there are plenty of people who don't need to be treated like terrorists and should be able to carry knives or other non-firearm weapons. I'm a former Marine, have a concealed carry permit for handguns, and have been thoroughly investigated by the govt over the last 14 years. Why can't I carry a pocket knife on a plane? As another poster just pointed out, wouldn't you WANT more people like me on planes? Trusted, thoroughly vetted, armed, ready to serve?

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    5. Re:I thought it was... by matrim99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be honest, I *WANT* senators and elected officials to have to go through all of the security procedures that us regular folks have to endure.
      Eating their own dog food, and all that.

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    6. Re:I thought it was... by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Feeding the troll...

      CI in this case is "Compartmentalized Information".

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    7. Re:I thought it was... by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      There is so much outcry that the TSA "security theater" is ineffective and many people realize it is just there to make you feel safe. The goons are mostly unskilled and mostly untrained (2 weeks training, you get to grope), and have less security clearance than you do - yet they can make your life miserable and cause you no end of grief if you don't play Janet's game by her rules.

      Recall the youtube video by a pilot who was outraged that flight crews had to go through the grope machine, yet any ground crew with a card can swipe into secure areas with no check and freely do whatever with the planes. What about that guy who just recently bribed a ticket agent to check a bag with someone elses name on it?

      All of the security policies are based on responses to supposed threats - someone had a bomb in their shoe, everyone take off the shoes. Someone had a bomb in their underwear - full body scan/grope. How about a preventative security policy, not a reactive security policy?

      So if they scanned your RFID card would it have a picture of you come up? Or could anyone who stole your card get your access?

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  3. Politicians are full of shit. by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article: "Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor said the scanners would also help innocent travelers. 'The option of an internal body scan will more quickly exonerate the innocent and ensure a minimum of delay for legitimate travelers,' Mr O'Connor said."

    Why should they need to be exonerated? Why should they have to suffer through a high intensity blast of x-ray just to prove that they aren't terrorists?

    Why aren't the terrorists exploiting this hole RIGHT NOW and KILLING MILLIONS and INFLICTING TERROR?

    Maybe it's because the threat is overblown and someone is sucking your cock in exchange for your pushing these useless, unneeded machines. Or maybe you're like Chertoff, destined to profit handsomely by pushing your employer (and other governments) to buy equipment from a company you own.

    1. Re:Politicians are full of shit. by Ancantus · · Score: 2

      Why aren't the terrorists exploiting this hole RIGHT NOW and KILLING MILLIONS and INFLICTING TERROR?

      They don't need to when the TSA can do it for them.

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    2. Re:Politicians are full of shit. by phantomcircuit · · Score: 2

      Why aren't the terrorists exploiting this hole RIGHT NOW and KILLING MILLIONS and INFLICTING TERROR?

      Putting things up your butt is against islam, duh

    3. Re:Politicians are full of shit. by morcego · · Score: 2

      Hummm, the terrorist ARE inflicting terror. They are just using the government as the tool for it. They don't need to move a finger, except to drop a few well placed news and rumors.

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    4. Re:Politicians are full of shit. by ringm000 · · Score: 2

      The terrorists aren't using the government, the government is using the terrorists.

    5. Re:Politicians are full of shit. by Inzite · · Score: 2

      The terrorists aren't using the government, the government is using the terrorists.

      Seems like a mutually beneficial relationship to me.

      To draw a parallel with another resilient industry, who's actually using whom? Is the sex-obsessed client exploiting the vulnerable, defenseless prostitute? Or is it really the prostitute who's exploiting the client?

      Either way, it's a comfy scenario for the military-industrial pimp.

  4. I feel safer already by Ancantus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has there been an incident where a terrorist has hidden a bomb in his small intestine? Is it really a viable business strategy to hide drugs within your body in order to get them crossed the border. I cannot believe that there is enough free space in a persons body to hide a profitable amount of drugs.

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    1. Re:I feel safer already by avandesande · · Score: 2

      The important thing though is that the man's body absorbed the shock-wave and the explosion caused little or no damage to those around him, so it appears to not even be a viable technique.

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    2. Re:I feel safer already by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Well I'm sure that the bystanders who viewed the explosion probably neede a reasonable amount of therapy time afterwords.

  5. No Way by headhot · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd rather have a Dr or Nurse oversee my doses of radiation then an undertrained cop school dropout.

  6. force companies to be non-profits that sell to tsa by Dan667 · · Score: 2

    i bet these stupid invasive technologies would magically stopped being pushed if the executive salaries at these companies were capped at 10x the lowest paid employee and they had to be non-profits.

  7. freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > He said the new X-rays would be used only if suspects agreed to undergo scans.

    How long will that last for?

    In the UK, airport body scanners were "optional" when introduced - it was obscene how quickly they became mandatory. The word "big fat lie" came to mind.

    More to the point, why are drugs banned? if I want to take drugs and someone wants to sell them to me, what's wrong with that?

    Why do we have a whole bunch of people taking money from us without our consent, deciding what we should or should not do, and then enforcing those rules upon us?

  8. Think of the criminals! by MrOctogon · · Score: 2

    From TFA: "Mr O'Connor said people carrying drugs inside their bodies could die if bags split or leak, so it was important to check as soon as possible." So my rights are being violated because some felon might kill themselves with their stupidity? Makes sense. I'll bend over now.

  9. Just Like Futurama by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now strip naked and get on the probulator.

  10. Only a matter of time before the TSA jumps on this by citking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bet Ms. Janet Napolitano is wet just hearing about this*.

    I'm disappointed that this article is not from the Onion. Can no one realize that 9/11 was just a fluke and the likelihood of it happening again that way is astronomical (I know this is in Australia but I can almost guarantee that all heightened security is a direct result of 9/11, the British train bomb, and other random events)? Let's get rid of the security theater we have in place now and just live because life is pretty much bad enough as it is without having to invent reasons to make it even more miserable.

    I'd rather die on a hijacked plane than have to undergo full body cavity searches - at least my wife will be richer that way.

    *No need to thank me for that visual.

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  11. Health care crisis and terrorism in one fell grope by smoothnorman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...annoyed TSA agents won't have to send you to a hospital for a body cavity scan", that's the ticket! conflate national health together with airport security. Prostate checks and weapons checks go hand in glove (and upwards where the sun don't shine). Health, safety, and a full pelvic exam, all at one stop. "uhm, no box cutter up here, but you might want to have this polyp removed at gate N17"

  12. Not anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Police checkpoints, wire tapping, spying on civilians from multiple directions, "emergency" powers designed to circumvent the concept (which of course are never repealed)... the guarantee of innocent until proven guilty has been eliminated in all but lip service. It's really no surprise; every government must do this at some point or their business stops expanding (in both power and revenue).

    The cold hard truth is that big government NEEDS a society full of "criminals", and if nature doesn't supply it, they will fabricate it through the coercive power of government.

    1. Re:Not anymore by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not applicable. We have the illusion of choice and democracy in America to placate the masses. But we really only get to choose between fascist authoritarian kleptocrat douche bag pandering to divisive inflammatory topic A and fascist authoritarian kleptocrat turd sandwich pandering to divisive and inflammatory topic B.

    2. Re:Not anymore by morcego · · Score: 2

      Bread and circus ....
      And, on a Orwellian mentality, we could also add: external enemy.

      That is all the government needs and, from what you can see, they are playing it by the book.

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    3. Re:Not anymore by jmikelittle · · Score: 2

      Either you've never been to America, or you've never left it, I don't know which

    4. Re:Not anymore by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Most European countries provide a lot more freedom than the US. If we read here what some people are sued or arrested for in the States, we can't believe what we're hearing. Mothers arrested for breastfeeding their child (oh my God, think of the children!), laws against gays, agaist abortion, against euthanasia, against medical use of soft drugs, etc, etc, etc... Some states seem to apply a Christian version of the Sharia! No, the US may be a reasonably free country, but definitely not the freest on Earth. Not by a long shot.

    5. Re:Not anymore by PhilipTheHermit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US is no more homogeneous than Europe is. Just as you have fairly varied laws between, say, France and Turkey (which is part of Europe if not the EU), we have fairly varied laws as well.

      It is unfair of you to cherry-pick the things that happen in our "crazy" states and pretend that they're representative of the United States.

      Think of it this way.

      The United States is like a family with fifty members.

      You've got the bookish preppies (New England, New York, some states in the Northern Midwest, and the Pacific Northwest), their country cousins, (much of the Midwest and the SouthEast), and Uncle Hippy (California)... They're generally OK, you can have a normal conversation with them, and nothing weird will happen.

      Then you've got the weird cousins everyone else tries to avoid (the dumber of the "Red" states, of which Texas is probably the worst). They pick on strangers, they get drunk and punch out environmentalists, and in general, embarrass the whole family.

      You Europeans are like people living across the street, gossiping about us because we threw a barbecue and the whole weird family showed up. Forgotten are all the good things the family does, our literary works, our scientific discoveries, the two or three times we've called the police and stopped your house from getting burgled, and the fact that we're generally good neighbors. All you want to harp on is that Cousin Joe from Texas got drunk, stripped naked, climbed a telephone pole, and peed on a police officer. You think we're all terrible because of Cousin Joe. It lets you feel all SUPERIOR.

       

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    6. Re:Not anymore by PhilipTheHermit · · Score: 2

      EXACTLY what I was trying to say!

      I just thought of something else as well.

      Europeans' belief that they are superior is actually RECURSIVE!

      They start out by pretending all of Europe is like France.

      Then they pretend all of France is like Paris.

      Then they pretend all of Paris is like a fancy neighborhood IN Paris.

      Then they pretend that whole neighborhood is like that street they shot that movie on that time. In black and white with background music, no less.

      They don't seem to have an exit condition though. They just keep calling "allOfEuropeIsLike(String trendierPlace)". I suppose eventually they'll run out of CPU and get stuck with their mouth open, latte halfway to their lips, galoise hanging jauntily off their tongue, turtleneck catching fire from the ashes...

       

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  13. I can't wait to hear it by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    And soon when America imports these machines, the DHS will release a statement claiming that ionizing radiation is "completely harmless". The fun part is that the security officer in the picture is not using any sort of protective gear, so when she's dying of leukemia like so many radiologists have done, she can take comfort in that statement. Not only that, but it raises the following ethical questions: 1) Since when have security personnel been allowed to perform invasive medical procedures and 2) What happens when an obvious medical condition is clearly visible on one of these scans and ignored by unqualified security staff, resulting in a needless and preventable death - if only qualified personnel had seen it? But hey, the Nintendo generation will do whatever you tell them. No one cares anymore.

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  14. Training... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2
    From TFA:

    Specially trained customs officers would be authorized to screen the alleged smugglers.

    We can't count on actual medical personnel to be trained properly with regard to x-ray exposure levels...

    As Technology Surges, Radiation Safeguards Lag
    After Stroke Scans, Patients Face Serious Health Risks
    A Pinpoint Beam Strays Invisibly, Harming Instead of Healing
    Radiation Offers New Cures, and Ways to Do Harm

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  15. Telling remark... by jkusters · · Score: 2

    When someone uses the phrase "exonerate the innocent", it just says that air travelers are presumed to be guilty of terrorist activities and have to prove themselves innocent. Not exactly an American ideal, but American ideals are all too readily sacrificed on the altar of security theater.

  16. Unnecessary X-rays in shoe shops were banned by JumperCable · · Score: 2

    In the US, they used to take X-rays of people's feet at shoe stores until they figured out that all of those unnecessary x-rays were a bad idea.

    http://www.museumofquackery.com/devices/shoexray.htm

    So what makes Australia think that subjecting innocent people to X-rays that have no medical basis is a good idea? What happens to the poor schmucks to get picked frequently for these types of searches?

  17. Re:Rubber gloves? by EricWright · · Score: 2

    It's for when the x-ray comes back positive...

  18. Re:Only a matter of time before the TSA jumps on t by morcego · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can no one realize that 9/11 was just a fluke

    It was not a fluke. It was so well planned that it doesn't ever need to happen again. The terrorists did the work once, and then left to the USA (and other) government to continue their work for them. Now, they can just sit back, relax and enjoy their ... hummm ... what do terrorist drink ?

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  19. Oh come on by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    The anus has been used throughout history to smuggle things, this shouldn't be news to anyone who spend a second in the real world. Are you THAT out of touch with reality you never heard of drug mules swallowing rubber balls filled with drugs or the reason in jail they get you to spread them?

    If this is the level of your average tin-hatter it explains a lot. You should really get out some day, talk to another human being. Learn something about the big scary world.

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  20. But, but... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    Can those who enjoy a good fisting still request to be probed the old fashioned way???

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  21. Well... If he did that on a plane... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    A terrorist could get up in the middle of a flight, walk over to a window, take his pants down, stick his ass up on the window, and...
    There you'd be thinking he was only mooning that... thing... on the wing... outside... when he would detonate.

    And just imagine if he was ALREADY sitting next to a window. Cause, that is what they do. They sit next to a window waiting to blow themselves up.
    Those shouldn't be called window seats at all but "terrorist seats".

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  22. Thank you! by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA mentions how they "understood privacy concerns in relation to internal X-ray use". FUCK THAT!

    It's not a privacy issue. It's a fucking health concern.

    A fucking dentist covers you up in lead before he takes an X-ray of your teeth, and these morons want to let someone with a questionable understanding of buttons do X-rays of your gut?

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