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Microsoft Shows Off Radical New UI, Could Be Used In Windows 8

autospa writes "In a three and a half minute video, Microsoft may have shown the world what it has in store for the eagerly awaited Windows 8. In the video Microsoft showed a radically different interface from past versions of Windows — even Windows 7. Running on Surface 2, the touch-screen successor to the original Microsoft Surface, the device accepts input from a Windows Phone 7 handset (HTC HD7). Gone are the icons that drive Windows, OS X, and Linux operating systems of past and present. In their place are 'bubbles' that interact with files and post streaming information off the internet."

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  1. And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use. The new Excel is a nightmare to learn well. And now, "bubbles"?

    1. Re:And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by LordKronos · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, he's not below average. The problem is mostly likely not that he finds the new interface simply difficult to use, but that he probably has a decade or two of experience using the old interface. He's had all that time to learn where each feature was. When each new version came out, the old features were almost always exactly like before, and just a few new menu items and buttons were added each time. Each time he had to learn a few new things, but all of his old knowledge was still relevant. Now suddenly in one version, everything he's spent many years learning has been pulled out from under him, and he's instinctively looking in the wrong places for everything. Habits that are that well ingrained can be incredibly difficult to break.

      I've been using the new interface for about 3 years now, and I still instinctively want to look in the wrong (ie: old) locations. What makes it even more difficult is that there are items in the new interface the mislead people accustomed to the old interface. For example, in the old interface of Excel, if you wanted to insert a new row into your spreadsheet, you went to the menu bar and picked Insert -> Rows. With the new interface, you go up to the top, you see a tab on the ribbon named "Insert" and you automatically think "that's where I'm gonna find the option to insert a row". So you click on it and, I'll be damned....you can insert just about everything EXCEPT a row or column.

    2. Re:And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by anshulajain · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bubbles reminds me of the original vision for KDE4, except that "Bubbles" was/is referred to as "Widgets". Information flows to and from the internet into these
      "widgets" in the KDE4 desktop. They have stuff like Facebook/Twitter feeds directly accessible and writable through these widgets and something like an OpenSocial framework for social interaction. Not exactly the same, but the idea seems to be very similar to KDE4.

    3. Re:And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by JamesTRexx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For me it's the ribbon interface that hides everything.
      At least with a menu I could just browse and read from the text what the option is. Now I often have to guess what that icon does and I'm not going to remember all those from the large amount of applications I have to support.

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    4. Re:And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by solios · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I HATE this about commercial software, to the point where my productivity applications are years out of date and only "upgraded" when I know I'm going to have a month or two of good solid downtime to effectively re-learn them from scratch. Losing a week (or more) to get back up to speed (warp speed, not plodding along) doing the exact same thing with a toolchain that now runs slower on the same hardware is extremely difficult to justify on a regular basis.

      If Vim and Emacs pulled the same stunt with every new version, the userbase would grumble, fork or recompile, and keep using their editors the way they always have. In the event of a massive change-for-the-sake-of-change ejection from a major mac/win ISV, creative professionals get to grin and bear it, lose time (and in some cases money) getting back up to speed, or not upgrade.

      Much of the griping about Office doubtless comes from people who use it At Work, whose work machines are controlled by a nebulous IT department, who came in to the office one morning to find the new version thrust on them.

      Software change is a lot easier to embrace when it's willful and provides a clear benefit. For many people, the change in Office was neither of these.

    5. Re:And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Okay, Time for an almost OT rant:
      Who the fuck thinks it is a good idea to put the things we use most often or what always visible on the "desktop", the first thing to be covered as soon as we start actually doing something??
      Widgets/wallpapers/desktop icons/conkey/whatever are absolutely retarded ideas.
      When will UI designers realize that my computer UI is not a desktop, and I do not want it to mimick limitations of physical objects.

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    6. Re:And I thought Office 2010 was hard to use by geedubyoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Microsoft ought to take a leaf out of Autodesk's book. The ribbon interface was added to AutoCAD 2009; however there were two big differences. 1) AutoCAD's ribbon is fully customisable (as is just about everything in AutoCAD). 2) The ribbon can be turned off, and the menu bar and tool bars turned back on. In fact, it is possible to make AutoCAD look - almost - like it did pre Windows.

  2. (from article) "eagerly awaited"? by haus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    by whom?

    1. Re:(from article) "eagerly awaited"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Federal Reserve has been asking for a bubble-based UI.

  3. "eagerly awaited" ? by richlv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "eagerly awaited Windows 8" - say what ?
    next version of grub might be more eagerly awaited than windows 8 or whatever.
    ms hired a pr company to build up some buzz ? :)

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  4. Non story - news at 11 by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I read TFA, I watched TFV, and I still can't connect the summary to anything of substance.

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    1. Re:Non story - news at 11 by maird · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's the proof it's Windows 8 at least.

  5. That is the greatest advantage of Microsoft by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know if you use these Linux and such OS, there is so much of cost retraining the employees in the new system. You stick to Microsoft, you can rest assured that all the training costs you have spent will be investments that pay dividend over a long time to come. That is why you should invest in microsoft and stay away from those platforms that keep changing their UI.

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    1. Re:That is the greatest advantage of Microsoft by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm no fuddy-duddy. I'm willing to change when an obviously superior idea comes along. What fucks me off about Microsoft is that they rearrange where you find the fucking things but they're ultimately the same fucking screen from the last four versions. But where do you go to configure network properties? It's a goddamn easter egg hunt.

      Don't even get me started on that fucking ribbon.

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    2. Re:That is the greatest advantage of Microsoft by Bengie · · Score: 3, Informative

      WindowsKey->Type("Network Connections")->enter

      There, now you can config your NIC :P

    3. Re:That is the greatest advantage of Microsoft by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, that's great, except that what if you wanted to see the status of your network conenctions - your method (which requires a lot of typing) doesn't work.

      Even better, I decided to type "configure network card," and the only usable option that popped up was "Manage Devices and Printers," which, interestingly, doesn't even show my network card as a device.

      Why, might I ask, do you need 3-4 different ways to manage the network, some of which are inaccessible from other areas.

      Why, in the network and sharing area, does a right-click on 'Home Network" not allow you to change the relationship, a right click on "Joined" for he home group does not allow you to unjoin or change the home group, and a right click on "local area connection" not bring up status, ipcongif info, the network card properties, or anything else? Why not put all those single clicks to new levels of dialog boxes into a unified interface? Why does doubl;e clicking your wireless icon in the tray disconnect you?

      I can only assume that this guarantees more training dollars for everyone that has to use this stuff.

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  6. The UI was not interesting. by microbox · · Score: 3, Informative

    I didn't see anything interesting. The promo-video was a waste of time. Someone could have said the same things 10 yrs ago.

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    1. Re:The UI was not interesting. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention why in the hell would they suddenly shitcan everything for Windows 8 when finally, after all these damned years they got the UI right and made a major leap forward for the masses with Windows 7.

      I have to say, and this is coming from an old Win2K guy that HATED the "fisher price UI" of XP, that Windows 7 UI is fricking brilliant. The new taskbar gives me instant access to my recently used folders in explorer automatically, no fiddling, jumplists gives me access to just about everything I'd want to do when launching an app, breadcrumbs makes it trivial to dive several folder deep in ANY direction in the time it takes me to make a single click, it all "just works".

      And the best part, and I still haven't figured how they pulled it off yet, is that while they made it trivially easy for a guy like me that has been using Windows for years to get my tasks done faster and easier, at the same time they made it simpler and more intuitive for those like my dad who have never been good with computers. I gave dad the second beta of Windows 7 and after using it for just a couple of weeks pre-ordered the family pack so he'd "have a computer that made sense" as he put it. He has found and used more features in Windows 7 the very first week of use than he did with 9 YEARS of XP usage.

      The integrated search bar is so much more than just a finder as it will give you related concepts such as me finding out and using the new performance center when looking for good old perfmon. Finally it helps the user find things they don't even know they had, such as dad plugging in his headset to chat and finding out about Windows 7 voice recognition.

      So they'd be insane to just shitcan all that work when they finally have a winner on their hands. Both XP and Vista users whom I've let try Windows 7 have been quite happy to switch and never look back, it allows your older apps to work without needing the crazy constantly having to run as admin anymore, the UAC works without being clippy level of irritating like in Vista, frankly for the first time in ages they "got it right" and I just don't see them shitcanning it when Windows 8 is supposed to be released next year IIRC. My prediction is the next release will be all under the hood and an attempt to make web integration better, such as making it easy and seamless for folks like my dad to have their work and home PCs always interconnected and controllable anywhere he is.

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  7. Research stuff by diegocg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft research does really cool things, but somehow the bureaucracy always kill them. I don't think it will be different this time.

    1. Re:Research stuff by Foredecker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure. Here are a few that are not obvious - or officially published - like Kenect.

      • Boot optimizations
      • Speech recognition algorithms and data structures.
      • SSD performance measurement
      • Power optimizations
      • Performance modeling (used to improve the product, not actually in it)
      • Time Travel debugging
      • Office grammar checker
      • ClearType
      • All kinds of stuff from the Seadragon folks

      II think some slashdotters assume that if its not some big earth shattering high PR value block buster thing, then it must not happen. My point is that this happens all the time. The benefits Microsoft Research brings to our products are many, but not necessarily highly visible.

      Remember, we are a company. Our goal is to make money - great heaping gobs of it. MSR is a key part of this. MSR does exists to benefit our products. This often takes time and not everything MSR does gets into a product. But we learn a lot even from the things that dont help a product directly.

      But, you are missing my other - and most important - point: Diegcog - very likey just made that statment up. Its called lying. Ill be interested to read his respsonse, if any.

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  8. I want my 3:46 back by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's nothing here you haven't seen before. It's the usual Microsoft Surface things, drawing Fantasia-y colors by waving your hands and rotating 3D objects, which you've seen before. Add to that a lot of vagueness about how everything is going to change and a soundtrack that could easily have come from any HR video on sensitivity training or proper timecard procedure.

    Maybe these features will be nifty when we get them. But this video is the worst kind of marketing speak.

  9. Wild speculation! I did not hear/see Windows8. by Barryke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People, please watch that video. The article is wild speculation. I did not hear or see anything that ought to be how Windows 8 looks. Its just MS saying what they recently did with Surface and Kinect.

    Those bubbles some speak about (which where in visibly only for seconds, not even showing how interaction would actually work) are not represented as being how Windows 8 would or could work.

    Not that i appreciate the idea of such a big company thinking really hard to remove that hassle of having to use a mouse and even then perform verbose, repetitive actions that could be represented with a single voice command. I'd love that.

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  10. This works, if EVERYTHING is streamline, the world by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This works, if EVERYTHING is streamline, the world isn't streamlined.

    [.jpeg] [.jpg] [.jpe] [.jpg] [.gif] [.] []

    The above where ALL extensions I found for jpeg images. Yes, the last one is empty and the gif? Just one of the many wrongly named ones. How do you deal with this uniformly? How do you write a super smooth UI that shows images if even determining what is an image is already that hard.

    Link the weather to my airplane ticket? That only works if somehow the ticket data exposes location data in a way the weather plugin can understand AND if then the ticket plugin can understand the weather data. My airport is Eindhoven, my weather plugin only knows about Amsterdam (Schiphol is NEAR to it but NOT the same). So how does that work? Ah, only unified services work... nice lock-in you got going there then. This kind of stuff is a chain and chains are only as strong as the weakest link.

    It is not like this kind of stuff hasn't been tried before, it is the intelligent home dream.

    The dream where you put a carton of milk in your fridge and it tells a phone that it is getting old. My local supermarket has four brands of milk at least. That is ONE supermarket. If my carton I picked up at a new supermarket on the way doesn't register, the entire service is useless and I might well end up drinking spoiled milk trusting that my intelligent home would have warned me.

    My flight can not be just delayed because of the weather at departure airport but also by weather enroute and arrival airport or indeed whatever area my plane is coming from in the first place. My ticket doesn't have route information or where the airplane is coming from, how can my PC check this info if even the airline company can't? And does any of this check the road conditions? How about public transport? Does it KNOW whether I will be driving, a friend, a cab or I will be going by train?

    Another one, language and subtitle choices. this should be trivial as long as everyone and every coded uses ISO encoding and then agrees on how many letters. Should be trivial, it isn't. Nobody can ever agree on someone elses standard.

    Oh, your services are ALL going to MS supplied? Better hand in that iPhone then, just give it to me, I will take it off your hands. GIVE IT... geez, you expect a Windows 8 experience to work out of the box with iOS? No? Then what is the point.

    We can't even get MS to smoothly discover various makers MP3 players. They going to bother with any services that don't pay through the nose for it and share all their data?

    There is a reason we don't have integrated services that could power such a UI. The world is filled with individuals who all like to do things their own way. See Google and its chrome window that doesn't work the same as every other window on Linux.

    This kind of UI is limitted to the movies where god, the writer, knows exactly what is going to be needed to get done next.

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  11. Citations and plagerism by bussdriver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The academic world worries about citations and plagiarism in their works but the commercial world never bothers or usually takes credit for others work as their own; the marketing departments go even further.

    We (the community) should be pointing out and calling BS to this heavily marketing driven society that has created a world in which smart people and educational institutions lack their due respect as the true innovators and instead we are told to worship the mighty corporations; its no wonder so many Americans are anti-intellectual and pro-corporation -- they see new technologies like this Microsoft PR and think Microsoft "innovated" all that stuff when I didn't see anything there that they innovated other than perhaps the bubble thing which they didn't show much of (and I likely just missed some paper somebody did on the concept 10+ years ago.)

    1. Re:Citations and plagerism by Ltap · · Score: 3, Insightful

      h.264 is a good example of this. The compression algorithms were mostly developed by academics. I recall hearing one gloating startup exec who had got a piece of the h.264 pie talking about how he had "monetized" a particular video compression algorithm. In his mind it was him who deserved the money for selling it, not the academics for inventing it. After all, they might have released this important technology for free and for everyone to use rather than adding it to the witches' brew of the MPEG-LA patent pool! You know... "Double, double, toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble..."

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  12. Re:BSOD by alostpacket · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somewhere Clippy is sitting unshaven, disheveled, and hung-over -- blowing soap bubbles and popping them in symbolic, disgusted jealousy.

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  13. No...it ruined itself by BonquiquiShiquavius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did you watch the video? I found the summary's weaknesses much more palatable than the ridiculously vague video in TFA, which was filled with corporate-speak, and showed off a bunch of interactivity projects without demonstrating how any of these would be used in real world applications, let alone how they would improve the way we currently interact with computers.

  14. Re:worst feature removed yet? by HermMunster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, let's stay with one freaking file (though there may be 3 it only takes one) that when it becomes corrupt it takes everything down. A better system would be one that decentralizes this task and only affects one or a few programs (and not the OS). If you aren't aware of it, and it really makes your argument seem silly, is that every program writes tons of files to their folders. Some write them all over the place. To look at what there was (with .ini files) and what we have today (the registry) and you consider that programs can place hundreds if not thousands of files on your computer in various folders, one would have to admit that them putting their little .ini file into their folder isn't going to add much to the complexity. The registry is a poor solution that was never improved and it is a single point of failure on the whole system that causes more than its share of grief for users.

    And, as far as how Linux accomplishes the same feat you appear to be clueless about the configuration files. I actually see no detriment to being able to show hidden files and to locate the ones that correspond to the program in question and to rename them in an effort to debug issues.

    And, as far as incompatible formats go, why would my photo editor need to know the file format of my CD player program's configuration file? And since when do we not have total incompatibility, even in the Windows registry, amongst programs? Why would my photo editor need to know what's happening to the registry settings (or configuration file settings) of my CD player program? They don't know anything about each other nor do they need to know.

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  15. whoosh: the dissection of a joke. by mevets · · Score: 3, Informative

    andrea noted that the interface was: .... nice to watch but utterly useless.
    which inspired maird to assert:
    There is the proof....

    You see, maird was saying that the demonstration of something pretty but useless stands as proof that its in the new Windows. The implication is that Windows releases have been dominated by attractive, but worthless items.

    By responding to andreas comment with this statement, maird successfully introduced a discontinuity, which the reader may perceive as a delightful surprise, sometimes reacting with laughter. In the traditional world, where this discourse may have occurred around a fire, Mairds companions may have slapped him affectionately on the back, making cooing sounds about wittiness and "bons mots". In this disconnected world "+5 funny" is the depressing equivalent.

    Some interpret the delightful surprise as a confusing consternation; often spurning an irrepressible desire to resolve the ambiguity. While this activity in itself is also quite funny, it is more the sad kind of funny.