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New Apple MacBook Pro Reviewed

adeelarshad82 writes "As fate would have it, an Intel chipset glitch delayed shipments of almost every laptop manufacturer, save one. Apple, which has typically been last in transitioning to new technology, is now among the first to launch laptops with Sandy Bridge. The Apple MacBook Pro (Thunderbolt) is the fastest laptop out there. Powered with a Quad-core Core i7 processor and AMD Radeon HD 6750M, the MacBook Pro has a lot of fire power to offer. Unfortunately though it is still a bit expensive and there is a lack of Thunderbolt devices to take advantage of the new interface."

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  1. A BIT expensive?! by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It costs $2199 which for many means an additional $150 for the screen resolution it should have as default. Worse that $150 is the only way to get a non-glossy screen. So lets just say 2349 to get off the ground. Want a three year warranty? Considering your down 2349 its worth it to pay off the risk of that, but at 349 its 15% of the cost of the laptop.

    Then you can go on with the extras beyond those two requirements. Sorry, in a day when you can buy a laptop for under 399 these premium laptops are absurd. I know you get what you pay for, but you really don't. The price difference stops somewhere well south of this things price point. This is like saying you need a Porsche for your commute because parking at Starbucks in a Chevy is so not your perceived status.

    Don't get me wrong, I have an iMac, but I can at least see some of the value in its 27 inch screen. I can't find the value in their laptops. I know other companies make expensive laptops but damn, there are near equivalents for 90% of the apps most people will run for half this price let alone a quarter.

    Amazing laptops in the range of workstation prices (looking at the real Mac Pros - the tower units).

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    1. Re:A BIT expensive?! by znu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do some people buy MacBook Pros as status symbols? I'm sure they do. But some of us work in pro video. There are people who legitimately need high-end laptops, and a lot of them, because of Apple's strength in the creative pro market, use Macs.

      With quad core processors and tons of external bandwidth over Thunderbolt, these new MBPs are game changing for pro video, or will be once a couple of TB devices hit the market. For instance, TB is fast enough to hook up both a RAID capable of handling multiple 1080p video streams and a video interface capable of doing uncompressed HD output to a broadcast monitor. This makes these pretty much the first laptops ever (outside of crazy hack jobs, maybe) that can plausibly replace towers for working with uncompressed HD video formats. That's pretty handy.

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    2. Re:A BIT expensive?! by daver00 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The thing is, at the entry level, Macbook Pros are actually extremely good value. Before I go on I'll just note that I'm far from an Apple fanboy and I live in Australia where prices are less than optimal. Now the lowest spec 13" MBP is $1200 ($1400 in AU), for that you get cpu performance equal to that of the previous generation (2010 model) 17" MBP, you get an extremely well crafted enclosure with a nice design in a portable form factor. I have been shopping around for a new laptop and for me the key points were: small, light, attractive, powerful. My options were basically Vaio, Dell XPS studio, HP Envy or Macbook Pro. The MBP was cheaper than all the other options with the nicest design (Australian market here, prices differ quite dramatically). Apple also offer me a student discount, and a free iPod.

      I don't like Apple, I really don't (I DO however very much like their industrial design), but I shopped around for a long time and the MBP came up as the best value laptop within my reach. I could have gone down and bought some ugly thick plastic fantastic with better specs for less, but as I said it was crucial to me to have a nice design and a slim package. I'll grant that the MBP cost does not scale well with options, particularly if you opt for alterations when you buy. That said I think I've scored a ridiculously good deal, I'll be installing my own SSD and expect that to reap far more performance gains than bumping up the CPU (at $300 premium no less).

      FWIW I was looking at the 14" HP Envy for $2400, the Vaio Z at $3000, or the MBP 13" at $1270 with a free iPod, these are Australian prices.

    3. Re:A BIT expensive?! by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple simply doesn't try to compete in the 2-inch thick, 9-pound, short-battery-life segment of the laptop market. Not everyone carries about weight or size - but some of us do.

      You're just making up numbers. The only " 2-inch thick, 9-pound" laptops are 17" beasts designed for gaming, and they don't cost $399. Most of the 399 laptops are in the 5 to 6 lb range and are about 1.25in thick. Most of them have reasonable battery life too, at least 4 hours.

      How about this? You can get a ThinkPad T410 for under $1000 with an i5 and 6 hour battery life that weighs less than 5 lbs.

      I'm about to buy a T420s, which will cost around $1300 with a Sandy Bridge i5 and a higher resolution display than the 15" MacBook Pro. And it's thinner. And it weighs almost 2lbs less.

      There is no getting around the fact that Apple's laptops are very, very expensive.

      The build quality / durability argument doesn't hold because top-tier business laptops (ThinkPad T-series, EliteBook, Latitude E-series) now go for under $1000 and most have passed MIL Spec tests for vibration/drops/dust/etc (which the MacBook has not).

      The performance argument doesn't hold because PCs and Macs now use the same Intel chipsets and CPUs, so the performance is the same.

      The weight/size argument doesn't hold because you can get PCs with the same performance that are as small and light as the MacBook Pro - or in some cases lighter and smaller. The ThinkPad T420s is lighter (by almost a pound) and thinner than the MacBook Pro 13 and it has the same Sandy Bridge dual-core CPUs.

      So we're left with the OS, the design, and some other features like a higher-contrast-ratio LCD. If you are willing to pay more for that, that's your decision. But stop trying to pretend that you aren't paying a big premium for those features.

      You're buying the PC equivalent of a a Lexus. Yes, it's nicer than the Toyota that costs half as much. It's not twice as nice, though. And trying to pretend that it's somehow justified from a value standpoint is stupid.

    4. Re:A BIT expensive?! by Winckle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you comparing a laptop from 1994 to laptops from 2011? Hardly seems fair.

    5. Re:A BIT expensive?! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $2000 is very, very expensive for a laptop. Period. You can get a high-quality, durable PC laptop like a ThinkPad T510 for around $900.

      Amusingly, I worked at a company where those were the laptop options, Thinkpad or MacBook. The IT department kept statistics on failure rates (among other things) and their numbers lined up right about with Consumer Reports. Those high-quality, durable ThinkPads fail a whole lot more often than Macbooks. That's not to say Macbooks are a better deal for all use cases, if you keep a few extras laying around and have good backups/restore and a good repair program, but let me tell you, it doesn't take too many hours of lost work from a $100K+/year engineer to make the return on more expensive but more reliable laptops a bargain.

    6. Re:A BIT expensive?! by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about this? You can get a ThinkPad T410 for under $1000 with an i5 and 6 hour battery life that weighs less than 5 lbs.

      Comparing the most $969 (on sale – it's usually $1405, significantly more than the mac) T410 to the 13" MacBook Pro:
        Slower CPU (yes, it may be clocked higher, but sandy bridge more than offsets that).
        Slower GPU (yes, even the discrete NVS3100m is slower than the HD 3000 – you can check various benchmark sites for that).
        Half the RAM
        Half the HDD space
        Shorter (though not much) battery life.
        Much worse trackpad
        No thunderbolt

      The performance argument doesn't hold because PCs and Macs now use the same Intel chipsets and CPUs, so the performance is the same.

      Incorrect –the Mac is using a Sandy Bridge i7, the T410 isn't – this is the same kind of performance difference as between a Core2Duo and a Core i7 – Sandy bridge is a complete new architecture.

      So basically, you're saying "zomg it's $200 cheaper", when it's got $200 less in it...

  2. Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    A rumor that Intel quickly denied. Others can support it, Apple was just first. The original statement was to the effect it'd probably be about a year before others would support it, because it would require new hardware, etc.

  3. A thing about reviews by QuantumBeep · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm no Mac fanboy. I'd probably attract criticism for being a Mac hater. In any case, I think some negatives are just unfair.

    TFS says that Light Peak doesn't have peripherals yet, and paints this as a negative on the MacBook Pro. Why do all reviewers feel a compulsion to make up shit if they can't think of anything negative? That's like some video game reviews I've seen, where they can' t find anything to complain about, so they take a star off because they just don't like the genre. That's a good reason to fire a reviewer, in my opinion.

    1. Re:A thing about reviews by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that isn't the case here. Thunderbolt uses effectively the same connector as the Mini DisplayPort. So if you don't have any other TB peripherals, you just plug your monitor in there.

      It was announced that LightPeak will use a compatible connector with, I suppose, a fiber connection embedded in it somewhere. But otherwise the connector is the same.

      Apple has done similar things before. My older MacBook Pro, for example, has fiber-optic connections embedded in the 2.5mm Line In and Headphone jacks. I don't know of many people who have made use of the fiber connectors for sound, but they are there, nevertheless.

  4. As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell laptop by unassimilatible · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And whose girlfriend has a race-to-the-bottom HP laptop, both of which are paperweights, I'm willing to pay a little more for my next laptop, one made by a company whose business model isn't razor-thin margins and cheap-as-possible components, and slipshod engineering. Go do a search of the laptop forums for "Dell Inspiron," a horrendously flawed design, and see the hate. Then go look at the customer satisfaction ratings for Macs.

    My next lappy will be a Mac, and I can use Boot Camp when I need Windows.

    There's a difference between cheap and value.

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  5. Re:Uh oh by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes and no...

    Apple is typically very aggressive about killing legacy things in favor of whatever new hotness they have decided on, even when customers whine about it, and they have recently been Intel's shiny launch partner of choice(so there is usually a short period of exclusivity for Intel's new hotness). They are also pretty aggressive about deciding that some feature should be 'baseline' rather than 'upgrade' at a relatively early date(this shows up with things like bluetooth today, or 802.11b back when that was optional on nastier PC laptops...) That is the yes.

    The "no" is that Firewire was pretty much the last hardware standard that Apple had a major hand in. USB? Appeared on PC motherboards well before Apple ones(it was Intel's baby after all), Apple was just the first to burn the legacy options. 802.11b? All of Apple's 1st gen gear was rebadged Lucent off-the shelf stuff. Apple made it an available consumer option while Lucent was still squeezing the enterprise guys; but that was pure sticker engineering? Killed off the floppy? The first to stop offering it across the board, possibly; but you've been able to spec PCs without floppies well back into Apple's beige era. 64bit desktops? Hello AMD, 3D cards? Apple's selections are always archaic, even now that they are an Intel shop. etc, etc.

    By virtue of their disinterest in coddling legacy users and low price points, Apple does, certainly, come up a lot on the "pushed technology X into ubiquity within their product line by murdering its predecessors and making it a standard option" list. However, the list of "was actually first" is substantially shorter, especially in more recent years. The list of "invented here, rather than launch partnered here" is shorter still, especially these days.

    They undoubtedly do adopt-and-polish quite well; but their actual degree of pioneering needs to be kept in perspective.

  6. Re:Uh oh by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So? It's legitimate to point out that only very rarely is Apple first at anything, most of the time they prefer to wait for a market to be at a tipping point before releasing a product. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just disingenuous to suggest that Apple is an innovator, it's been a good long while since they were doing much more than perfecting something that somebody else did first, which is a much easier task.

  7. Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it's not a rumor. Apple has an exclusive deal with Intel for Thunderbolt until the full LightPeak standard is worked out, which is expected to take about a year.

    Not according to Intel, they don't.

    "Other system makers are free to implement Thunderbolt on their systems as well, and we anticipate seeing some of those systems later this year and in early 2012."

    Thunderbolt will appear on PC laptops as soon as the Sandy Bridge chipsets without SATA problems start shipping. Apple has the head start here because their machines don't have the eSATA port that is standard on most PC laptops today.

  8. Re:Uh oh by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The claim was "last in transitioning to new technology".

    Just adding the new technology and keeping the old isn't transitioning. Apple has often been first in dumping the old and hence first to transition - though really it's been due to them being small enough and being the monopoly producer so that they could much more easily. If Dell decided to make some of those changes a big chunk of their customers would just buy from HP instead, for example.

  9. Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto by russotto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go do a search of the laptop forums for "Dell Inspiron," a horrendously flawed design, and see the hate. Then go look at the customer satisfaction ratings for Macs.

    The parts falling off my Inspiron were of the very highest quality.

  10. Re:Don't forget about the 30 minute battery life. by Smurf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see you also didn't RTFA.

    The reviewers tested five laptops. On the MobileMark 2007 test (which runs on Windows 7, for which the new MacBook Pros have not yet been optimized) the MacBook 15-inch (Thunderbolt) lasted 4 hours 40 minutes. That was much longer than the Dell XPS 15 (3:48), Asus N53DV-A1 (3:51), and Asus N53JF-XE1 (3:15). It was only outlasted by the HP Pavilion dv7-4283cl (5:46), a much inferior system that scored last or second-to-last in all the other tests, losing sometimes by a huge margin.

    So I would say that yes, the new MB Pro has a very, very decent battery life especially for such a powerful portable machine.

  11. Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto by Frangible · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yep-- I've owned a lot of cheap laptops, and laptops that weren't so cheap. My Fujitsus were made in Japan, and cost more than my 13" MBP... but surprisingly, the MBP is significantly better made out of superior materials.

    Another thing people overlook in laptops is the display. The brightness, contrast ratio, black levels, and color gamut on the Apple LCDs is vastly superior to almost everything else out there. I've seen a Dell with a better screen, but Dell discontinued that screen option shortly after it was introduced. And it's like that for all the high-end PC notebook screen options I've seen on Anandtech -- you can't actually buy them. While the TN LCD isn't amazing compared to the better S-PVA and IPS panels on desktop monitors, it's almost unequaled among notebooks.

    There's the little touches too, like the external LED battery check, the MagSafe power connector, backlit keyboard, glass touchpad, compact power supply, etc.

    You get what you pay for. A $1200 MBP is a lot better than two $600 budget laptops.

  12. Re:Uh oh by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ARM was spun out from Acorn specifically because Apple didn't want to buy processors from a competitor. ARM was originally a joint venture between three companies: Acorn, Apple, and NatSemi.

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