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World's Most Powerful Optical Microscope

gamricstone writes "Scientists have produced the world's most powerful optical microscope, which could help understand the causes of many viruses and diseases. Previously, the standard optical microscope could only see items around one micrometre — 0.001 millimetres — clearly. But now, by combining an optical microscope with a transparent microsphere, dubbed the 'microsphere nanoscope,' the Manchester researchers can see 20 times smaller — 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) — under normal lights. This is beyond the theoretical limit of optical microscopy. 'Seeing inside a cell directly without [it] dying and seeing living viruses directly could revolutionize the way cells are studied and allow us to examine closely viruses and biomedicine for the first time.'"

163 comments

  1. "Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't know microscopy was such a dangerous line of work...

    1. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 0

      Cell is incredibly dangerous. He's already absorbed 17 and 18 and achieved his ultimate form.

    2. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      It's about as dangerous as being jailed, it seems.

    3. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 1

      If I had mod point's I would +1 Sayadjin you right now.

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    4. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by elsurexiste · · Score: 2

      For those who don't have English as their mother tongue, "dying" refers to the use of a tincture, not to a destructive process for the cell. Inb4 people wondering what the hell are we talking about.

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    5. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Ptolemarch · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure the participle of dye is dyeing, actually.

    6. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Inzkeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Among other tiny objects the scientists will be able to examine are anodized aluminum oxide nano-structures, and nano-patterns on Blue-Ray CVC disks, not previously visible with an optical microscope."

      Hmmm... Sounds like a DMCA violation to me.

    7. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by toastar · · Score: 1

      Isn't that dyeing?

    8. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

      No, it's about killing the cell, since a cell does not survive an electron microscope, and it's probably no possible to see a living cell with a scanning near-field microscope or an atomic fore microscope. For a scanning tunneling microscope it would have to be covered with a conducting layer,so that one is out too.

    9. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      I think that scanning tunneling microscope does not make sense. Bah no edit

    10. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Although some of the dyes used do kill cells - including all of those required for viewing with electron microscopes.

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    11. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      Alright, alright! I know the dye/die joke was lame, but taking it seriously only hurts my feelings.

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    12. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd show you my mitochondria, but then I'd have to kill you.

    13. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget red M&Ms.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M&M%27s#1970s_and_1980s

    14. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that one had me scratching my head for a second. I think the author meant "dyeing". Yes, it may look wrong, but it's spelled right for obvious reasons.

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    15. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who don't have English as their mother tongue, "dying" refers to the use of a tincture, not to a destructive process for the cell. Inb4 people wondering what the hell are we talking about.

      "Seeing a cell directly without dying" as written is saying "The person will not die when they directly view the cell".

      If you're talking about the cell, the proper use would be "Seeing a cell directly without it dying."

      And if you're talking about using dye, then the correct spelling of the verb would help, as would adding the article "it" to the end, for example "Seeing a cell directly without dyeing [it]." The 'it' could be dropped if you're speaking to a group who understands that "dyeing" refers to a specific type of scientific procedure, but since this is a generally published article it should have the trailing 'it'.

      (and yes, I'm a native English speaker) /endofrant

    16. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the proper spellings are dyeing and diening, respectively.

    17. Re:"Seeing a cell directly without dying" by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      Still not quite right "Seeing inside a cell directly without [it] dying ..."

      It needs to be "Seeing inside a cell directly without dying [[it]]..."

  2. 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

    What the hell? Don't you guys know the IEEE standard scientific notation for writing numbers with a characteristic and a mantissa? 5.0e-08 m

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    1. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by C_amiga_fan · · Score: 1

      I prefer engineering notation (indices of 3,6,9):
      50e-09 m

      BTW why does it matter if they wrote 50 nanometers?

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    2. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I prefer engineering notation (indices of 3,6,9): 50e-09 m

      BTW why does it matter if they wrote 50 nanometers?

      I think the GP is largely complaining that they left off the 'e' in front of the exponent. Perhaps '-8' was written in superscript and somehow that formatting was lost. "5 x" is atypical but "10-8m" is wrong.

      You are correct that engineering notation would have made more sense, reminding readers what a nanometer is.

    3. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have stuck with just nanometers. If you don't know what a nanometer is you probably don't care about a microscope.

    4. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down. Nobody uses that notation outside of computer engineering.

    5. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      We cell biologists aren't very good with math, no. I know nano is smaller than micro. So nano is helpful while scientific notation would just anger and scare me.

    6. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. No-one uses this notation in science.

      I'm surprised a genius such as yourself failed to realize that the original text probably had "-8" formatted as a superscript and that the formatting was lost during a cut-and-paste. For example lets cut-and-paste from wikipedia's scientific notation page:
      0.0000000061 6.1x10-9
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation

    7. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Your signature is oddly appropriate here.

    8. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      I think what he was complaining about is that 50 nanometres is not the same as 10 metres (5 x 10-8). Copy-and-paste didn't preserve the superscript.

    9. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      mmm, subscripts and superscripts are a pain because computers generally treat them as "formatting" (which is stripped with no indication if the target doesn't support it unlike unrecognised characters which are usually replaced with a question mark or similar) yet they carry important semantic information.

      Even worse was the old symbol font which when accidentaly replaced with a regular font would make some incredibly nasty substitutions (like turning lower case mu into m and therefore making values wrong by a factor of 1000 with no obvious error in the text) or turning capital omega into W which can also be confusing given that resistors typically have both a resistance and a power rating).

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    10. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      In any scientific discipline, 5.0e-08 is not the same as 5e-08. The first implies an extra significant figure of precision.

    11. Re: 50 nanometres ((5 x 10-8m) ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming the zero is a significant figure and not simply a place holder. The actual measurement is probably 5e-08 m.

  3. The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by sconeu · · Score: 1

    That confused me.

    So is the theory wrong, is the article wrong (yes, I did RTFA), or did they find some clever workaround?

    Also, at 50nm, would quantum effects be noticeable? That is, uncertainty?

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    1. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe, maybe not...

    2. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by avandesande · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, the theory is correct, but they aren't doing a direct observation... they are covering the target with little spheres that are in direct contact and then observing the light that comes out of the little spheres- no rules about our understanding of diffraction limits are broken.

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    3. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by TooManyNames · · Score: 2

      I was confused as well. I think, though, that the "beyond the theoretical limits" statement applies to typical microscopes which use an aperture for visible wavelengths (which would restrict viewing to objects far larger than 50nm). Somehow, this transparent microsphere that they use is a different structure that gets around the restrictions of a typical aperture, though I don't know how. So to answer your question more concisely, the theory isn't really wrong, instead they found a clever workaround (to which the theory doesn't really apply).

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    4. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by FunkyELF · · Score: 1

      No, the theory is correct, but they aren't doing a direct observation... they are covering the target with little spheres that are in direct contact and then observing the light that comes out of the little spheres- no rules about our understanding of diffraction limits are broken.

      I don't really understand this.
      If those little spheres are acting as lenses then how is it not a direct observation?

    5. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
      Even better:

      The new method has no theoretical limit in the size of feature that can be seen.
      [Professor Li said] "Theoretically, there is no limit on how small an object we will be able to see."

      So, below the Plank scale then? Indeed, below the wavelength of the light used by the microscope?

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    6. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

      So is the theory wrong, is the article wrong (yes, I did RTFA), or did they find some clever workaround?

      This is one of several clever workarounds. The article lacks details, I'm guessing it's because the concept is pretty complex. I only half understand the structured illumination method mentioned in that wiki article and I think that's probably a simpler concept.

    7. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're already smaller than the wavelength of light used by the microscope. Resolution at 50nm, Wavelength is 200nm.

    8. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Direct quote from Professor Li:

      The 'microsphere nanoscope' does have physical limits dependent on the abundance of photons. But we still hope to be able to see my genitalia in the near future.

    9. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're directly observing the spheres, which are directly observing the cells. Therefore you are indirectly observing the cells.

    10. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Eternauta3k · · Score: 2

      If those little spheres are acting as lenses then how is it not a direct observation?

      You can recover information that is usually lost in far field observation by putting something (like these spheres) very close to the source that turns those evanescent waves into propagating waves you can observe in the far field.

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    11. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

      Where in all these fictional people are the 80% of us who just don't give a shit?

    12. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points? I squandered them all, squandered them all. But this is very funny.

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    13. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 2

      Doesn't that violate conservation of energy ?

      The whole point of evanescent waves is that they are standing perfectly still. They're present, but they don't oscillate, they don't move, they don't grow and shrink, so they don't transmit anything : there's no energy available for that.

      So how would you get a system without energy to transmit ?

    14. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Eternauta3k · · Score: 2
      They're not perfectly still, they are standing waves. Their equation is something like cos(wt)exp(-kx), meaning every point oscillates in phase and the amplitude decays quickly with distance.

      If you put a medium with a different refractive index (can't remember if higher or lower, I'd have to work it out), you can get a propagating wave from that.

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    15. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Professor Li said] "Theoretically, there is no limit on how small an object we will be able to see."

      I'm surprised nobody's made the obvious "so we'll finally be able to see x's penis" joke.

    16. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Nikkos · · Score: 1

      But the sphere is a lens is it not? How is it different than any of the other (less spherical) lenses that make up the microscope? You're still observing the cell through cleverly aligned lenses...

    17. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      So every (even slowly) oscillating magnetic field can be made to generate light simply by putting a piece of glass near it ?

    18. Re:The "b eyond the theoretical limits" thing by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      No idea. Some genius had the bright idea of teaching us waves before electromagnetism, so I don't know.

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  4. Good news for microlithography folks... by ak_hepcat · · Score: 2

    This will help make de-fabbing chips much easier, as they'll be able to directly read the circuits on smaller die.

    I, for one, can't wait for something like this to make it to the home market.

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    1. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 0

      Yes, because I'm sure that it'll be priced for home market really soon.

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    2. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      "Timmy, here's why your nose is runny! See? A rhinovirus! Here, let's take a picture and forward it to your teacher."

      One of the currently available super-resolution microscopes, the OMX, is running at 1.2 million dollars.

      Anyway, for a virus, you'd really want to use EM, and I've heard of some "cheap" SEMs available for around $400.

    3. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, its the reverse. They took a microlithography technique and applied it to imaging.

    4. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by Jaqenn · · Score: 2

      There's a TED talk about this concept that you ought to watch. http://www.ted.com/talks/joe_derisi_hunts_the_next_killer_virus.html

      I'm butchering his words, but it's something like they make a wafer with millions of slots shaped like every virus they've ever seen, and you spread infected fluid on the chip and the area with slots that shape turns a different color.

      Skip to about 10:00 mark for a relation of them using it to diagnose a viral infection that had never been documented before.

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    5. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, why would anyone bother miniaturizing expensive research equipment, like computers, radio transceivers, cathode ray tubes, plasma phosphor grids, internal combustion engines or refrigeration coils, just so people could have them at home? That's just silly.

    6. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by adamdoyle · · Score: 1

      I don't think that applies to microscopes... The market for internal combustion engines and refrigerators is slightly larger than that of precision microscopes.

    7. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Timmy, here's why your nose is runny! See? A rhinovirus! Here, let's take a picture and forward it to your teacher."

      It's pronounced rhinoCERus, dummy

    8. Re:Good news for microlithography folks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, they have better microscopes than that for fabbing already -- look for "Solid Immersion Lens" -- this is old news -- this is so old. it's not even news.

      This article is further evidence that mainstream media doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground when reporting on science news...

      no wonder poeple don't believe in global warming with shitty science reporting like this.

  5. Talk about dangerous by Nibbler(C) · · Score: 2

    'Seeing inside a cell directly without dying' I'd call that a huge advance, it seems cell biology used to be right up there with kamikaze-piloting for a profession.

  6. seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the h*ll is the "cause of a virus"?

    1. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and how can you see "living viruses"?
      (I'm not even going to correct the grammar.)

  7. So intercellular activity can be recorded? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gee thanks, after all those thousands of cpu-hours my machines spent simulating proteins interacting, they can apparently now just look at the damn thing and record the results. Damn you, progress...

    1. Re:So intercellular activity can be recorded? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Gee thanks, after all those thousands of cpu-hours my machines spent simulating proteins interacting, they can apparently now just look at the damn thing and record the results.

      Yeah. I, too, was rather dissapointed when videos replaced ascii porn.

    2. Re:So intercellular activity can be recorded? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Shoulda gone with SETI instead! :P

    3. Re:So intercellular activity can be recorded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I felt the same way after spending 10 years turning a donkey wheel by hand to power up my 10 TeV accelerator.

      Now they can just plug them into the wall? Not fair.

  8. Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe you could, oh I don't know, read the article? Just first posting some dumb question that can easily be answered by taking a second to READ does not make you seem insightful. Of course, it wouldn't take a genius to figure it out without even reading. This new technique is beyond the theoretical limits of standard optical microscopy because it doesn't freaking USE standard optical microscopy. Uh dur.

    The new nano-imaging system is based on capturing optical, near-field virtual images, which are free from optical diffraction, and amplifying them using a microsphere, a tiny spherical particle which is further relayed and amplified by a standard optical microscope.

    Professor Li, who initiated and led the research in collaboration with academics at the National University and Data Storage Institute of Singapore, believes their research could prove to be an important development.

    He said: "This is a world record in terms of how small an optical microscope can go by direct imaging under a light source covering the whole range of optical spectrum.

    "Not only have we been able to see items of 50 nanometres, we believe that is just the start and we will be able to see far smaller items.

    "Theoretically, there is no limit on how small an object we will be able to see.

    However, even with no limits, these scientists would be hard pressed to image your brain.

    1. Re:Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Theoretically, there is no limit on how small an object we will be able to see."

      I think Planck would like to have a word with him.

    2. Re:Idiot by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Whaddayamean hard pressed to image your brain? Never heard of fMRI (non-invasive). I work with someone who has a device that will actually take your brain, slice it in sub-millimeter portions and then automatically image the whole thing onto a computer (2 TB/hour).

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    3. Re:Idiot by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you have firsthand experience with the device.....woooooosh.

    4. Re:Idiot by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      umm... google gravitational wave detectors and holographic universe.

      They are already apparently measuring things (interference) at less than a Planck length.

      According to Einstein’s view on the universe, space-time should be smooth and continuous. However, this view may need to be modified as space-time may be composed of quantum “points” if Hogan’s theory is correct. At its finest scale, we should be able to probe down the “Planck length” which measures 10-35 meters. But the GEO600 experiment detected noise at scales of less than 10-15 meters.

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    5. Re:Idiot by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      "Theoretically, there is no limit on how small an object we will be able to see.

      Move over LHC. Higgs Boson, here we come!

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  9. peek-a-boo, I can see you by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 0

    peek-a-boo!
    I can see you
    and I know what you do
    so put your hands on your face
    and cover up your eyes
    don't look until i signal
    peek-a-boo! peek-a-boo! peek-a-boo!
    the way that we weren't is
    what we'll become
    so please pay attention
    while i show you some
    of what's about to happen
    peek-a-boo!
    I know what you do
    cause I do it too
    laugh if you want to or
    say you don't care
    if you cannot see it you
    think it's not there
    it doesn't work that way

    mother's baw knows it too
    didn't he so do?

    1. Re:peek-a-boo, I can see you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are freaking me out, Sir!

  10. This is amazing! by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    I hope they can also reverse the technique and use it for lithography.

    1. Re:This is amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Smaller books?

    2. Re:This is amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already are... in fact that is where the idea came from, they just reversed it.

    3. Re:This is amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lithography is the method used for making microprocessors.

    4. Re:This is amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already been done, but is impractical in practice...

      http://www.optics.rochester.edu/workgroups/novotny/lithography.html

    5. Re:This is amazing! by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      Yes! All they have to do is invert the polarity!

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  11. Re:20 times smaller by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, it would seem you fail English via trying to apply mathematical rules to it.

    The phrases 'times less than', 'times smaller', 'times fewer' have been in use in the English language for hundreds of years. Swift, Newton, Herschel, Boyle, and Locke all used those phrases at one point or another in their works. Now, generally speaking an argument from authority is not a good argument, but when you're talking about language which is by definition defined by the way it's used I think it is a sound one here. Those examples of usage are from hundreds of years ago, by some of the most educated, intelligent people of their times, I think it is safe to say the phrases were in standard usage then as they are now.

    Obviously you can argue that logically or mathematically the phrasing doesn't make sense. The thing about language is that is is neither mathematical nor logical.

  12. Glass spheres by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

    The microscopic glass spheres are dropped onto the sample. Then look at the glass spheres with the microscope. A glass sphere acts as a lens and you can focus on the image in it.

    Like little magnifying lenses
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    1. Re:Glass spheres by Script+Cat · · Score: 4, Informative
  13. How it works by gbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's (a bit) more information on the technique here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12612209

  14. Re:Extraordinary claims by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    "50 nm ought to be enough for anybody."

  15. everything old is new again by Thud457 · · Score: 0

    really, we're back to Rife again?!!!
    Next somebody will rediscover the t-bacilli that cause cancer.
    And that the Deros live underground, shooting deadly DOR at surface dwellers to give them nightemenmares.

    meh. I guess with the sad state of educmacation in this country, we'll see a lot more of these kind of whackjob claims.

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    1. Re:everything old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demonstrate how this microscope is a "whackjob claim" (superficial resemblance to something from the past does not count). If you don't, then you're screaming at the top of your lungs an unconditional confession that you don't know what you're talking about.

    2. Re:everything old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://johnbedini.net/john34/rife2.html

  16. Re:Extraordinary claims by flaming+error · · Score: 2

    Option c: the snippet extracted doesn't tell the whole story.

    Specifically, the reason this is "beyond the theoretical limit" is because they

    have created a microscope which [beats] the diffraction limit of light ... by combining an optical microscope with a transparent microsphere

  17. Re:Extraordinary claims by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is beyond the theoretical limit of optical microscopy." So either the scientists are lying, or the theory is wrong. Which is it? Pons? Fleischmann? Anyone?

    The dumbed down version (the only one I understand): light has a "size" of about 200 nanometers, and you wouldn't expect to see detail smaller than that using light. Recently though, people have found a way around that.

    This actually isn't the first microscope to break that barrier. There's OMX for one.

  18. Lethal microscopes by Zouden · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seeing inside a cell directly without dying .. could revolutionize the way cells are studied

    I work in a biology lab, and looking directly into a cell is one of my most dangerous tasks. Lesser men have been struck dead by viewing the horrors that lurk beneath the cell membrane. A microscope that lets us look inside a cell without dying would revolutionise biology forever!

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  19. Re:20 times smaller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the GP was just someone karma whoring by trying to be pedantic which, unfortunately, is rewarded too many times here on Slashdot.

    Now, considering that he's an AC and doesn't benefit from karma, I guess that makes him a Karma Slut and not a whore - he's not being compensated for it.

  20. Re:Extraordinary claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA:
    "This is beyond the theoretical limit of optical microscopy."
    "Theoretically, there is no limit on how small an object we will be able to see."

    It contradicts itself.

  21. Pictures or it didn't happen. by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

    Pictures or it didn't happen.

  22. How to get the article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    any access to the pdf?

  23. Re:20 times smaller by N0Man74 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lately, I've been hearing complaints about the usage of "times less" pop up quite a few times around here.

    First of all, it's a common idiom. Idioms aren't always used in a way that some might find to be mathematically consistant. A bird in the hand is not the mathematical equivalent of two in the bush.

    Also, this idiom is actually mathematically consistent in that it clearly suggests a multiplicative inverse (or reciprocal).

    Finally, this is a very old usage. It has been documented to have existed for three centuries years. This doesn't mean that the journalist is stupid, unless you also would consider a writer such as Jonathan Swift to be stupid.

  24. Look at the size of my e-penis by ELCouz · · Score: 1

    oh wait....

    1. Re:Look at the size of my e-penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it goes all the way from a to z

  25. Re:Extraordinary claims by vlm · · Score: 5, Informative

    "This is beyond the theoretical limit of optical microscopy."

    So either the scientists are lying, or the theory is wrong. Which is it? Pons? Fleischmann? Anyone?

    Its journalist BS. Doesn't mean a hell of a lot. When does journalist BS mean anything?

    Way back in 1874 Abbe figured out the theoretical limit of microscope resolution. Far field resolution with positive refractive index materials, that is. Thats all we had back then. Kind of like how the romans probably could have made silicon diodes, if only they had purer silicon...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Abbe

    Abbe figured the resolution only depends on the wavelength of the light being viewed and the NA of the lense (numerical aperture)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_Aperture

    Its kind of like those theoretical thermodynamic limits. Not that its easy to even come close, but conventional physics says this is as far as you could dream of going...

    For decades (centuries, really) they fooled with stranger and shorter light wavelengths, and continually optimized the material science of their lenses to get better NAs. Unfortunately they optimized themselves into quite a tight little local minimum. Recently they came up with some pretty far out material science. Also some pretty weird electromagnetics, trying to use nearfield instead of a farfield system.

    They "broke all the rules", in journalist speak, much like a music band or a car body designer breaks all the rules, but that doesn't mean they can levitate or glow in the dark or something, it just means they tried something pretty far out. Unlike the car designers and musicians, the result of this foolishness is actually pretty cool and useful.

    You could accurately compare near and far field work like conventional vs quantum mechanics in that a lot of what you "expect" from one, does not work in the other.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superlens

    Pretty much useless theoretical foolishness for a traditional microscope, right? Well it turns out by some trickery you can apply that kind of stuff after all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_resolution_microscopy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_internal_reflection_fluorescence_microscope

    This article is not about a totally new area of science or something, just one particularly well done demonstration / experiment. Its some cool applied engineering, not new theoretical science. And I believe my little /. post is probably better and more informative than any mainstream media story will be about this topic.

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  26. plus, everybody knows that Deros are real by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    At best that blurb on Science Daily is vague to the point of uselessness.
    More likely, the "journalist" is illiterate.

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  27. Should be "light microscope", not "optical" by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2

    I built and used scanning electron microscopes back in my distant youth. We always referred to microscopes as "light" or "electron" or even "ion" (yes, we built a prototype ion microscope). All of these have optics in the form of lenses and apertures and could correctly be called optical microscopes.

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    1. Re:Should be "light microscope", not "optical" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Optical/light in optical/light microscope refers to the source. Therefore a scanning ELECTRON microscope is an electron microscope.

    2. Re:Should be "light microscope", not "optical" by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Except that 'optical' doesn't mean 'uses lenses', it means 'uses light'. So no, they couldn't all be called optical microscopes.

    3. Re:Should be "light microscope", not "optical" by syousef · · Score: 1

      I built and used scanning electron microscopes back in my distant youth. We always referred to microscopes as "light" or "electron" or even "ion" (yes, we built a prototype ion microscope). All of these have optics in the form of lenses and apertures and could correctly be called optical microscopes.

      Good God man! I don't care how much it weighed!!!

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    4. Re:Should be "light microscope", not "optical" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If you built an electron microscope you know it has "lenses" not lenses. The quotes are important - a focusing magnet isn't an optical element. Also, "optical" implies light: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/optics.

      Technically there are some scanning electron microscopes that measure created x-rays or cathodoluminescence but it's still a pretty bit stretch to call those optical microscopes. Hybrid electron-optical would be a better description.

    5. Re:Should be "light microscope", not "optical" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop trying to act cool. I too work with electron microscopes, and there is an obvious understanding that "optical microscope" refers to a light microscope. Yes, we talk about electron optics. The context is more than enough to determine which type of scope.

  28. theoretical limit by u19925 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The summary says, "This is beyond the theoretical limit of optical microscopy". Which theoretical limit? The only theoretical limit that I know is diffraction limit (angular resolution is about wavelength/lens_diameter or lambda/D). But that only applies for objects far off (distance much larger than D^2/lambda. so it is quite accurate for telescopes). There is no direct theoretical limit for microscopes. The semiconductor manufacturing uses near field photolithography for ages where they routinely create features smaller than the diffraction limit.

    1. Re:theoretical limit by cr42yr1ch · · Score: 1

      Microscopes are directly limited by diffraction. And near field generally means lambda distances. A normal microscope objective lens is far further away from the sample than this!

    2. Re:theoretical limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DISCLAIMER: no laws of physics are broken during the course of their measurement. However, it is cool that the conventional resolution of 300nm that most microscopists are familiar with is reduced to 50nm. But nobody every said that would be impossible. In fact, Near-field scanning optical microscopy (NSOM), has been able to resolve 50nm structures using fiber tips for decades. The difference with this new method and NSOM is that they use a microsphere in their near-field measurement instead of a tip connected to a fiber-optic cable to contact the measured surface. Thus, they are in the "far-field" with their microscope, although their microsphere sphere still has to get close and be in the near-field. I would contrast this with STED microscopy, which also gets down to 50nm or so in the far field without the need for any near-field probes! The only drawback of STED is that it is complicated and only works for fluorophores. I dislike STORM (also gets 50nm resolution), since they are just performing deconvolution of single molecules to get the resolution enhancement. That's cheating!

      In conclusion, I would say that they built a cheaper NSOM rather than a better microscope.

    3. Re:theoretical limit by Americium · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually it's worse when things are closer. Focusing plane waves must only bend/reflect the light a little, and a simple parabolic mirror will do. But when you aren't in the far distant limit, the light is still expanding outward, like the light from a candle, in all directions. Now you need something MORE angled than a parabolic mirror, you need to bend the light MORE, so the limit is hit even sooner. This is widely studied, and there are plenty of theoretically sound models taking into account your specific lenses.

      Wiki link

      The semiconductor manufacturing uses near field photolithography for ages where they routinely create features smaller than the diffraction limit.

      What exactly do you mean by this? They often use photomasks, shorter wavelengths, or narrow slits at very close range, so the light has no time to spread out. The LIMIT is what you can focus, so perhaps you can't focus your laser to 10nm, but you can just shoot lots of light through a 10nm gap, and it'll burn a 10nm, hole. Now if they were using a laser 1m away, no photomasks, and actually focused it (completely focused) to 10nm, then they would have broke the limit.

    4. Re:theoretical limit by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      This also reminded me a lot of Quantum's TeraStor project.

    5. Re:theoretical limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rarely in optical microscopy is the imager placed on top of the specimen. Thus, the imager will be far enough from the specimen for evanescent waves to fall off, making the diffraction limit applicable. (Evanescent waves contain the higher frequency components, but they don't propagate and they fall off exponentially from the surface that created those higher frequency components)

    6. Re:theoretical limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I assume this technique could not be applied to photography?

  29. Re:Extraordinary claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was an informative post... try a little less of tooting your own horn at the end there though.

  30. Use UV light and shift back up afterwards? by Twinbee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Something I've always wanted to know is why can't scientists throw UV or even xrays on the matter in question and 'transpose' or shift any reflected light back up to the normal visible spectrum? Of course, xrays penetrate objects, but is this 100%, or is a tiny percentage reflected back?

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    1. Re:Use UV light and shift back up afterwards? by cr42yr1ch · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is a matter of simplicity of optics, damage to the sample and contrast. Visible light optics are very advanced (i.e. glass lenses), but it starts to get difficult as you head towards shorter wavelenths. X rays, especially high energy (short wavelength) ones, are extremely hard to focus. Short wavelengths of light also damage biological samples (imagine UV and sunburn). A key requirement for generating an image is high contrast, use of very short wavelength light/electrons requires heavy metal staining to get good contrast, not exactly ideal for looking at a living cell.

    2. Re:Use UV light and shift back up afterwards? by labnet · · Score: 1

      Something I've always wanted to know is why can't scientists throw UV or even xrays on the matter in question and 'transpose' or shift any reflected light back up to the normal visible spectrum? Of course, xrays penetrate objects, but is this 100%, or is a tiny percentage reflected back?

      This is exactly what Royal Rife (who once worked under Carl Zeis) was claimed to have done.
      He hetrodyned two UV sources incident on the cell to produce sum and difference frequencies, where the difference frequency was visible light.
      The story goes on that he was then able to destroy specific virii (including cancerous) by using a highly modulated RF carrier, where the modulation frequency (ie not so much the specific carrier frequency but rather its amplitude modulation frequency).
      Then the consipracy theories start, where his machine threatened the cancer establishment (AMA), and all his work, machines and lab were maliciously destroyed/discredited.

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    3. Re:Use UV light and shift back up afterwards? by Raptoer · · Score: 1

      The story goes on that he was then able to destroy specific virii (including cancerous) by using a highly modulated RF carrier, where the modulation frequency (ie not so much the specific carrier frequency but rather its amplitude modulation frequency).
      Then the consipracy theories start, where his machine threatened the cancer establishment (AMA), and all his work, machines and lab were maliciously destroyed/discredited.

      Cells are cancerous, but virii can cause a cell to be cancerous. A virus itself cannot be cancerous, because it cannot reproduce alone. More importantly, this magical technique can tell the difference between a healthy cell and a cancerous cell, which might only be two or three switched genes out of trillions? And this will work over my entire body, despite any reflection and other interference?
      Virii are a bit more believable, but still, the difference between two virii could be only a single gene swap.

      Maybe the reason he was discredited was because it didn't work?
      Considering this technique could wipe out all viral, bacterial and fungal infections, as well as all cancers... I'm inclined to believe that it didn't work.

    4. Re:Use UV light and shift back up afterwards? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      They do. X-ray microscopy has been around for a long time, and is highly developed in areas it's useful in.

      It's not so great for most biology because x-rays tend to go through things pretty well, and when they don't they do a lot of damage. Plus they're a pain to focus. Now, if you want to look at crystals....

  31. Normal light by Woogiemonger · · Score: 2

    I was wondering why they mention "normal light". It's not at all a measure of comparison between this new microscope and its predecessors. I figure it's an artifact of something mentioned by the interviewed scientists. The subject of observation can react to abnormal light levels, and may even die, so they cannot just up the light level.

    I watched this TED talk here: "http://www.ted.com/talks/sheila_patek_clocks_the_fastest_animals.html" which details a scientist's struggles to see a tiny organism (a mantis shrimp) at high speeds, and she stressed "low light" was important, because too much light would kill it. While in the film business, more light equals better video, the same cannot be applied to biology.

    1. Re:Normal light by cr42yr1ch · · Score: 1

      By "normal light" they mean normal white light illumination, most pre-existing sub-diffraction resolution techniques use illumination of fluorescent dyes which require illumination by a specific light wavelength and do can only detect the stained structures.

    2. Re:Normal light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it "normal light" as opposed to ultraviolet, X-rays, etc.? Normally you need short wavelengths to look at something small, but here they manage even with the relatively large wavelengths of visible light.

    3. Re:Normal light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up Royal R. Rife, he developed a dark field microscope that supposedly could do all of the above.
      Rife worked as a mechanic / optician for one of the big names. He died a tragic death after his microscope gave him insights that were too much for the powers that be.

  32. It's 42 by mangu · · Score: 1

    50 nanometres is not the same as 10 metres (5 x 10-8)

    According the precedence rules, you should do the multiplication before the subtraction, so 5 x 10 - 8 = 42.

    1. Re:It's 42 by Kilrah_il · · Score: 2

      And 42 is always true. Well done, my good friend.

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  33. Re:Extraordinary claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is not really an extraordinary claim. I once had a debate with a devout disciple of science who claimed that world was governed by science and that all creationist were retarded. He knew this because scientist could SEE electrons orbiting the atoms and stuff. Apparently scientist eyeballs work a lot better than creationists eyeballs, which can only see down to the wavelength of the light they are using to see with. Scientist eyeball can see all the way down to the size of an electron using nothing more that visible light. Now I understand why people mock creationist all the time. It is because they have such bad eyesight.

  34. Is this really new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://users.navi.net/~rsc/rife1.htm

    Royal R. Rife invented an optical microscope which he used to view live viruses and bacteria:
    "Royal Raymond Rife was the inventor of the Universal Microscope which he presented to the world in 1933. Besides being the most powerful optical microscope ever made up to that time, it was also the most versatile. The Universal used all types of illumination: polarised, monochromatic or white light, dark field, slit ultra and infra-red. It could be used for all manner of microscopical work, including petrological work or for crystallography and photomicrography. According to a report submitted to the Journal of the Franklin Institute it had a magnification of 60,000x, and a resolution of 31,000x. The ocular of this instrument was binocular, but it also had a detachable segment lower in the body for monocular observation at 1800x (x=power) magnification. "

  35. How about in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will this let us make smaller cpu feature sizes?

  36. I've Got a Question by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    So, as someone who hasn't studied optics in at least 6 years, and doesn't plan on picking up a book regarding the matter anytime soon, I have a very naive, and possibly silly question.

    Could a similar technique to this be used in reverse to make more powerful telescopes?

    1. Re:I've Got a Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who hasn't studied optics in 6 years, you have forgotten that microscopes and telescopes perform the same function: they make small objects appear larger.

    2. Re:I've Got a Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes... if you could put a appropriately sized transparent sphere directly in front of the star you are interested in, "several" light years from here ;-).

      In other words...sorry no, this technique is all about looking at small stuff, not stuff far away.

    3. Re:I've Got a Question by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      So, as someone who hasn't studied optics in at least 6 years, and doesn't plan on picking up a book regarding the matter anytime soon, I have a very naive, and possibly silly question.

      Could a similar technique to this be used in reverse to make more powerful telescopes?

      Well, lets see...

      The new nano-imaging system is based on capturing optical, near-field virtual images, which are free from optical diffraction, and amplifying them using a microsphere, a tiny spherical particle which is further relayed and amplified by a standard optical microscope.

      ... So, your new macro-imaging system would be based on releasing actual optical, far-field images, which are subject to optical diffraction, and amplifying them using many macrospheres, huge spherical bodies, which are further relayed and re-focused by a standard optical telescopes.

      I think that's a great idea! In fact, I believe that the technique is already in use.

      That is pretty much the description of using huge collections of macrosphere bodies (planets, stars & black holes), AKA galactic clusters, to capture the light coming from even more distant objects (which release the optic far-field images). The light is bent by the massive gravity wells that the collection of Macrospheres generate, the effect is known as a Gravitational Lens.

    4. Re:I've Got a Question by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Sure. But it would involve putting a lens very close to the thing you want to look at.

      Magnification isn't usually an important limit for telescopes anyway. The limiting factor is usually how much light you can gather. If you want really high resolution, interferometry already lets us do insane things like see sunspots on other stars.

  37. Re:Extraordinary claims by sourcerror · · Score: 1

    Horn tooting is well deserved.

  38. pics or it didnt happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pics or it didnt happen

  39. theoretical limit=diffraction limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In biological microscopy, it is quite difficult and rather new to do stuff in the near field, because the stuff you are interested is usually in an object (cell) which is several wavelengths thick and which needs to be in water to survive. So all your "normal" optics are in the far field, which is why the diffraction limit tends to be considered a theoretical limit.

    For the special case of *fluorescence* microscopy, which tends to cover a huge portion of biological imaging at small scales, methods are being developed to get around the diffraction limit even in the far field, see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STED_microscopy. In the NatCommun article, they are proud that their method works even independent of fluorescence, and from what I understand it really just works by bringing the transparent spheres into the near field. This is where my understanding stops, never having worked in the near field... but it seems the sphere provides a magnification which transmits near-field high spatial frequency information into the far field.

  40. Don't forget the advances in lithography by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    The semiconductor fab guys exceeded the "theoretical limit" for photo-lithography years ago. I'm writing this post with a processor with 45nm features and I believe Intel is planning 22nm this year. Not sure how the technique compares to the microscope, but people have been using light for things much "smaller" than light for quite some time now.

    1. Re:Don't forget the advances in lithography by Kakari · · Score: 1

      The difference is that the fab guys went with electron beams and, in some applications, x-rays. Neither of which I typically consider light, although part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

  41. Royal Rife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we still catching up with the past?

    http://www.rife.org/

  42. Damning with faint praise by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    And I believe my little /. post is probably better and more informative than any mainstream media story will be about this topic.

    It's better than the slashdot summary, that's for sure.

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    1. Re:Damning with faint praise by gamricstone · · Score: 1

      Why the hate for the summary? I didn't editorialize it, and it fairly accurately represents the contents of TFA. I get complaining about an inaccurate summary, but the summary is verbatim from the link (or maybe you didn't notice that). Perhaps a better comment for you to make would have been: "It's better than TFA, that's for sure."

      Oh and props to vlm, I also agree his comment was more informative than TFA on the science (not this particular experiment).

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    2. Re:Damning with faint praise by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Why the hate for the summary?

      Hate? Drama queen much?

      People are just pointing out that it's shit, that's all.

      the summary is verbatim from the link

      So it's plagiarized & unchecked shit. Much better than ordinary shit.

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    3. Re:Damning with faint praise by gamricstone · · Score: 1

      Nah people were not pointing it out, you were (one person). I'm not a drama queen, and don't care for any attention from this. It is not plagiarized because I didn't take credit for it, I simply linked a story I thought others might find interesting (some did). Also ordinary shit would be way better if the summaries would not routinely make up facts which are not in TFA. I've just been trolled, damn.

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  43. New Technique, but not first to break Abbe limit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really nothing special.
    Move along, nothing to see.
    There are plenty of other methods for improving optical resolution, the trade offs in this are barely interesting outside of lithography.

  44. marginalization by slick7 · · Score: 1

    Once again another scientist marginalized, Royal Rife, like Tesla gets no credit.

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  45. Re:Extraordinary claims by crank-a-doodle · · Score: 0

    do you guys even read the article or do you just read the heading and give start typing bull shit! Optical Microscopy! the link you give is 10 fold better this is 20 fold better.... Ofcourse the limit has been broken by earlier folks using particles other than light, but this gives you, to say in your "dumbed down" version, a full blown hd tv experience!(just a figure of speech)

  46. living viruses? by andrewagill · · Score: 0

    Just to be clear, viruses are not classified as alive. Sometimes, I'm not convinced that this is entirely correct, but that's what the biologists say.

    1. Re:living viruses? by smegfault · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you classify as "alive". What is "life" anyway?

  47. The increase in resolution is about 4X by Penicillus · · Score: 1

    This increase in resolution to ~50 nanometers is about 4X better than the ~200 nanometers (0.2 micrometers) that (because of diffraction) is the absolute best one can obtain with normal, visible light microscopy, assuming one uses oil and apochromatic objectives. For reference, we used to use the diatom, Amphipleura pellucida, which had 40 striae (lines of holes) in 10 micrometers. If we could see the striae (0.25 micrometers apart), we knew we had an excellent objective. If we could count the striae, we were estatic.

  48. No it's not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    c.f. the near-field scanning optical microscope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-field_scanning_optical_microscope

    "lateral resolution of 20 nm and vertical resolution of 2–5 nm have been demonstrated."

    Beats 50nm by a fair margin, I would have thought.

  49. Really? So where's an actual image? by rkinch · · Score: 1

    Funny that this story of a marvelous new imaging tool omits any actual images.

  50. babby and virrus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...could help understand the causes of many viruses"

    Has anyone thought to search Yahoo Answers for "How is virruses formed?"

  51. Re:Extraordinary claims by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

    I believe it was the Bible that said: "Thou shall not toot thy horn".
    Just sayin'

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  52. Re:Extraordinary claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what she said

  53. http://www.ppshopping.us by lili30 · · Score: 0

    www.ppshopping.us

  54. Re:Extraordinary claims by interkin3tic · · Score: 1
    I did read TFA, but it was clear to me that Locke2005 needed a one line explanation of the light barrier

    the link you give is 10 fold better this is 20 fold better

    My point was that the light barrier has been broken before by microscopes using light, which it has. I didn't say OMX was better.

  55. Re:Extraordinary claims by spauldo · · Score: 1

    She was just being nice. She didn't really mean it.

    Sorry.

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  56. Advanced microscope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry peoples, Royal Rife invented a super optical microscope over 80 years ago. A couple of these units still exist. Efforts to revive this technology has met with no success.
    Rife used his unit to observe the the destruction of pathogens, including viruses while applying a harmonic frequency to kill the pathogen. It is commonly referred to as "rife technology", see rife.org.
    A two disk dvd is available thru ; zerozerotwo.org. It shows a bacteria, seen thru this microscope, being destroyed when the resonating frequency is applied.
    I've been using the Rife technology for over four years now and have been more than pleased with the results.
    Unfortunately the FDA has a program of elimination of Rife technology.

  57. new microscope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DUH - this was done in the 1930's and perfected in the 50's by Royal Rife. Rife went on to find ways to kill cancer using various frequencies, found by observing what frequencies killed virus's that cause cancer.