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Hands On With Apple IPad 2

adeelarshad82 writes "Yesterday's announcement of the second-generation iPad showed exactly why there was so much excitment around the device. As the video hands on shows, iPad 2 makes up for all the things lacking in the original iPad. The 1GHz dual-core A5 chip does justice to apps like Photo Booth and over all user experience. Moreover, while the screen carries the same resolution, Apple was able to pack it in a noticably thinner iPad 2. Infact its dimensions, 13.4 mm to 8.8mm thick, make it 33% thinner than iPhone 4. Also while the cameras aren't HD, the inclusion itself provides an opportuntiy for Facetime, which is actually more interactive than what we've seen so far on other Apple devices."

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  1. Two corrections... by moosehooey · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. It is 33% thinner than the first iPad. It is also thinner than the iPhone 4, but only slightly.

    2. The rear camera is, in fact, HD.

    1. Re:Two corrections... by killmenow · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...It is also thinner than the iPhone 4...

      Yeah, but does it have an app that will build you an island and fucking transform it into a jet and fly you there?

    2. Re:Two corrections... by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Funny

      True, but don't let the "HD" label fool you. Yes, it is 720p resolution for video, and comparable video on the iPod Touch 4G is quite respectable and decent. But resolution will also be 720p for stills as well

      Which is fine for video calling, barcodes and getting an image when you don't have anything else. Plus, lower resolution often translates to better low light performance and lower noise. For taking proper photos, use a proper camera with a lens bigger than a baby's thumbnail. Even a phone is better ergonomically than a 10" fondleslab.

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  2. And not to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it inspires impartial and unbiased Slashdot articles!

  3. Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by chispito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about an SD card slot or USB port?

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    1. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      these are available through the main apple i/o connector with the camera connection kit. it includes adapter for standard usb 2.0 and adapter for SD card. USB comes with complete support for larger variety of of photo and video camera's including iPhone. It is also works with a variety of keyboards and headphones.

    2. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by killmenow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You beat me to it. Those two things right there contribute to making the iPad a no go in our corporate environment even though some of our senior management loves the shiny things. USB Host port plz. And not via a fscking apple port adapter. Put a native USB port and native SD slot (with HC and preferably XC support) and a native HDMI out on the sucker. Then maybe we'll get the SDK, port some bespoke apps and start equipping our sales reps with these things.

      Until then, hey, they're cool for checking the weather forecast from my couch.

    3. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so where are these tablets with the same or better specs than the iPad but cheaper price?

    4. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WTF are you letting your people put removable storage into your devices? I thought that was phased out a decade ago to keep virii from jumping on the corporate network. And what are you going to use it for - it all comes with wireless N, email and a web browser that can be pointed to your internal server. You're not going to get any faster transfer with a marketing USB dongle (that is usually dog slow) or a class 6 (or even class 10) SD card. I suppose I can buy the HDMI thing, but you're going to have to carry a dongle for that VGA connection anyway, and presuming you even allow Macs on your network they already have to carry an adapter to go from DP to, well, anything useful.

      Now, if you want to complain about having to install iTunes on your corporate machines - THAT is, imho, a real issue.

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    5. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by killmenow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The business case for the iPad (in our company anyway) would include (a) running bespoke apps to hook into our transaction processing system so reps in the field could enter orders from customer premises directly and/or query order/inventory status for customers while on site, and (b) giving presentations while on site at customers. Most projectors accept hdmi in. As is, via the adapter they could show presentations with projectors but it's yet one more type of specialized cable they have to keep track of instead of a relatively cheap standard short HDMI cable. And it's a PITA and stupid and one more way Apple tries to nickle and dime you, imho.

      The removable storage is less for putting things ON the damn thing and more for getting things OFF of it. Like after you've given your presentation and the customer says that was great can you copy it to my USB thumb drive here so I can show it to the CEO later. Yes, you can just say "I'll email it to you" but many e-mail systems limit the size of attachments to 10MB or under and some large presentations and PDFs with lots of embedded images go over that but still well under the limits of even the smallest USB thumb drives. Also, SD card for holding/loading said bespoke apps in standardized/manageable ways, etc.

      I can't imagine we'd put iPads directly on our corporate network. But most of our salespeople do have laptops and VPN connections. Replacing those with something smaller, lighter, still able to get e-mail on and run necessary apps and give presentations and do the things they do now...that is also less easy for them to get "YOU HAVE A VIRUS! CLICK HERE TO GIVE US YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO!!!!" phishing trojan crap on is desirable. But iPads don't really fit the bill as of right now.

      Plus, considering our corporate web site is now flash heavy (don't blame me, I tried but it's out of my control), it'd be kind of stupid to give our salespeople devices that couldn't even pull up our own company's web site. (Oh...and you're 100% right about iTunes.)

    6. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by Ereth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except, of course, that they aren't.

      The FAA recently certified iPads for pilots to use for charts. There's never been a netbook that even attempted that task.

      A tablet is not a netbook any more than a shrimp is a clam.

    7. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by MorpheousMarty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so like all apple things, for $20-40 extra you can do what most normal tablets would be expected to do...

      Normal Tablets, I heard of them, usually followed by the term "market failure". Sure it would be great to have these features, but lets face it, Apple made a tablet people actually want, and a part of that was taking away features. It definitely isn't for the Slashdot crowd, but I don't recall us being that keen on tablets with these features either.

    8. Re:Makes up for all the things lacking in iPad1? by Antisyzygy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with fanboi's is they consider ANYTHING to be a troll. Apple isn't perfect and if I were to point out one of its many flaws all the sudden my inbox would get bombarded by / , updates from Apple-heads.

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  4. Re:meh by itsenrique · · Score: 4, Informative

    Much like the sound of the wind, I predict that joke went right over your head.

  5. Re:Not enough by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think iPad 3.11 for workgroups will be good enough for me.

  6. Re: Not enough by dwightk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Readability was kicked off the App Store for failing to pay up

    heh, Readability (the company that charges 30% of revenue to publishers of content) was quoted about Apple's (the company that charges 30% of revenue to publishers of content) policy: it "smacks of greed"

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  7. But has it appeased Hitler? by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 5, Funny

    Truely, if it is perfect, we should not expect another Hitler Rant video...

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  8. The razor wire by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    topping the walled garden is now 33% sharper too.

  9. Re:Your needs/desires aren't everyone's needs/desi by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are certain advantages to having sealed, fixed memory, and it's a tradeoff to get them.

    I absolutely agree! I'll list some for the detractors:

    • Nobody can open your iPad and steal your RAM, leaving the iPad a useless husk.
    • There's no chance of accidentally putting in the wrong RAM and causing a short.
    • You can avoid the classic "My kids thought the VCR was a toaster" situation. No young'uns will try to make Ritz Cracker toast on your RAM slot!
    • The chances of cutting yourself on the sharp edges of RAM are vastly reduced.
    • Everything comes in one convenient package. There's no costs to upgrade the iPad, ever! (Because you can't.)
  10. Re: Not enough by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Readability doesn't charge publishers. How ignorant or desperate are you?

    No, but they collect membership fees and revert 70% of these to the writers. 30% agency fees, for doing exactly squat besides rebranding and reformatting the content, would be considered exorbitant and unconscionable in just about any other business.

    I work with a lot of independent filmmakers and the "Readability" model has been with them for the last 10 years or so -- small fly-by-night "distributors" who take a huge cut of revenue and fees in exchange for making your movie available on their shitty burn-on-demand DVD website and offering it, with zero promotion and for bargain-basement prices on iTunes and Movielink and iFilm and all the other crap distribution channels that have come and gone the last decade. They're slimeballs and all they care about is putting themselves in-between artists and eyeballs, and doing as little as possible for their fees.

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  11. Re:Your needs/desires aren't everyone's needs/desi by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You either understand why its exclusion is a good thing or you don't, so there's nothing to add there.

    Wow. That's some arrogance. Did you really mean to say: "Either you agree with apple, or you are wrong."

    There are certain advantages to having sealed, fixed memory

    Can you actually name any that are relevant?

    Not having to manipulate a file system isn't one by the way. My car stereo handles CDs, mp3 disks, flash memory, and ipods, and all the complicated file system stuff is completely invisible... I just push the source button. I guess that would be too overwhelming for an iDevice user?

    Another example is the Nintendo Wii file system management which a 4 year old has no trouble with.

    Meanwhile the multiple advantages of removable storage however are blindingly obvious.

    Arguing about the trade-offs of expandable/removable storage its about as idiotic as as arguing about the trade offs of wearing a motorcycle helmet. (In that yes, there are circumstances where not having a helmet on would be advantageous... but the disadvantages thoroughly outweigh any advantages.)

    but you're NOT going to see those in iOS products

    This same arguments about how you didn't need were made about native application development and multi-tasking...

    The main reason there is no expandable memory is that:
    a) Steve Job's obsessively hates slots and buttons, and is more than willing to sacrifice function to get form.

    b) If you can slide in your own 8GB SD card for $50, why would you pay hundreds of dollars extra for one with extra memory?

  12. Re: Not enough by Reapman · · Score: 4, Informative

    My understanding is Apple wants a 30% cut. However they don't want providers to charge extra on Apple devices - so basically publishers have two choices:

    1) Keep the price the same, and if the provider was making 30% or less already per sale, potentially lose money per sale.
    2) Raise the price for all and have non iOS users essentially pay a 30% tax for Apple.
    3) Don't release on iOS and lose that customer base.

    This is MY understanding. If I'm wrong please let me know.

  13. Re: Not enough by Americano · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe that the rules are structured to prevent that. Something along the lines of, "if a subscription offer is made outside the app, the same or better offer is made inside the app as well, using the in-app subscription functionality that Apple has built." I can't say this is certainly disallowed, but it seems like a fairly obvious loophole that runs counter to the strategy they seem to be pursuing.

  14. Re:Your needs/desires aren't everyone's needs/desi by uniquename72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rifles can easily be broken down and parts replaced by a knowledgeable user, and there are tons of 3rd party add ons for them that work well across all brands without needing any special connectors, etc.

    Try again.

  15. Re:Your needs/desires aren't everyone's needs/desi by binary+paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The main reason there is no expandable memory is that:
    a) Steve Job's obsessively hates slots and buttons, and is more than willing to sacrifice function to get form.

    b) If you can slide in your own 8GB SD card for $50, why would you pay hundreds of dollars extra for one with extra memory?

    Yep. Those are the two most likely reasons. Charging $40 for a video dongle is ridiculous and $40 for their magic cover is equally ridiculous.

    But so what? I don't get the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth caused by Apple releases. If those prices are too high or you don't like their marketing practices or the devices don't do what you need them to do then DO NOT BUY THEM. If someone else is perfectly happy to pay said prices for said items and they do not care about expandable memory and don't have any idea about Steve Jobs' personal taste then who the fuck cares?

    No one needs to own an Apple device. No one is forced to own an Apple device. No one is entitled to own an Apple device.

  16. Re:Your needs/desires aren't everyone's needs/desi by steveha · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a Motorola Xoom on my desk right now as I type this.

    Your long list of silliness about the "Zoom" includes: silly things that imply complexity, "25 pounds", USB port, "three 9-volt batteries".

    In order:

    The UI is a bit more busy than an iPad, with more little options, but I haven't found it at all hard to use.

    According to specs, it is 730 grams, which is exactly the same as an iPad with 3G. Note that the second generation iPad 2 is listed as 600 grams; presumably that is not including the 3G option but it is still a win for Apple. On the other hand, an M16 rifle weighs about 8 pounds, so your innuendo is that the Xoom probably weighs three times as much as the Apple product; clearly false.

    Yes, the Xoom has a USB port. That is a good feature and I like it. The iPad has a USB port, but only if you put a special dongle on the special Apple connector. But I guess your point was that it would be silly for a rifle to have a USB port. In that case, please list the actual features of the Xoom that are silly. You might, for example, mock the Xoom for having a barometer; but it adds no significant weight or cost, and it will be very useful for certain applications, and I don't see how you could claim it makes the Xoom harder to use, so perhaps it's not that silly after all.

    As for batteries, the Xoom has built-in sealed battery pack, just like the iPad. The iPad claimed battery life is 9 hours for the 3G model; the Xoom claimed battery life is 8 hours, with a faster processor. The iPad 2 claims to have 9 or 10 hour battery life.

    I think the actual specs show that the Xoom is not quite as slick as an iPad but it is in the ballpark, and I personally do not want to shackle myself to Apple's ecosystem. If you want a device that gives you the most freedom, then the Xoom is a worthy option. If you want the slickest device currently made, then get an iPad 2.

    steveha

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