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US Lawyers Target Swedish Pirate, and His Unicorn
Chaonici writes "When a Swedish citizen identified as Ryan heard about US movie studio Liberty Media's plan to get copyright infringers to confess and voluntarily pay up, he couldn't stop himself from sending them a
satirical email promising that he will pay 'from the pot of gold I got at the leprechaun at the end of the rainbow', regardless of scathing criticism of the studio from his unicorn. However, despite his location, the jesting nature of the email, and his insistence that he has never downloaded anything for which the studio is suing, Liberty Media's lawyers have taken the 'confession' seriously, and have issued a subpoena to Google for personal information related to Ryan's Gmail account. In a phone call, the legal team affirmed their determination to 'hunt him down, all the way to Sweden if need be.'"
The lawyers forget that Sweden is not a state of USA. The kid is safe while the lawyers make an ass of them selves. Sweden has its own laws :) They might aswell try to sue /dev/null
"Never EVER mess with a jumper you don't know about, even if it's labeled 'sex and free beer'." - Dave Haynie
Yeah, the guy who wrote these answers. Definitely the right person to take lessons from on how not to be a wise ass.
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PWNED. OK, this is so funny :)
No, really, I can't stop LOLing, it's insane.
What??? You have never seen a fool teasing a dog or something else he shouldn't have and then being bitten by it?
Come oooooon, this is exactly like that.
You can't handle the truth.
Here's their train of thoughts:
How dare some insignificant worm mock us fancy, bigshot corporate lawyers? That peasant should know his place! Something has to be done to show the cattle who's boss!
Yes, but the lawyer naively thought that the law was going to be interpreted by the letter, the way it had always (officially) been done in modern day Sweden. They just underestimated the power of angry multinational mega-corporations and their lobbying/bribing/truth-twisting skills. The trial was very un-Swedish in many ways. TECHNICALLY they didn't break any Swedish laws and the lawyers approached it in a purely technocratical way. Usually that would had worked. Unfortunately, everything turned into messy discussions of intents, unproven figures of lost sales, attitudes and the like. This while there was MASSIVE pressure from very very strong international interests.
My other account has a 3-digit UID.
They have UNICORNS in Sweden?!
There is no -1 Disagree.
So, BitTorrent users, have you downloaded any Liberty Media movies? If so the company says it is time to hand yourselves in. From 8th February for 14 days, the kind folk at Liberty are offering an amnesty.
I have downloaded a lot of porn. A lot. I'm fairly certain that I may have represented a few percentage points of the entire bandwidth used by porn in a single day.
That being said, I have no idea if I downloaded anything from Liberty Media. In the interests of providing amnesty I think it would behoove them to put up a public website with examples of their copyrighted works. Not the whole things of course, but just small groups of shots. Perhaps the ones that made the most money for them, those being the ones most likely to be pirated.
and it seems to me that liberty media focuses more on relicensing media instead of creating it? so if I rent a movie from somewhere can I start sending subpoenas to people who downloaded that movie?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Actually this is their train of thought: If someone messes with us or tries to interfere with us, then let's make it as expensive, time consuming, and difficult for them as possible, and make knowledge of our actions public as possible, to set an example.
No one stole anything through pirate bay, they may have committed copyright infringement, but that is an entirely different thing.
As a side note, the postal office enables people to send drugs and bombs to each other, they are still not held accountable, despite they knowingly do this. The "enabling" part is a faulty argument. However, they did definitely knowingly host links to the files, and did not act when made aware of such files; that is a proper argument that you can build on and probably argue in a court.
"Civis Europaeus sum!"
Also, tor transparent proxy support FTW. Add:
/etc/resolv.conf. There where instructions for this on the tor wiki, but it didn't work right. Doing it this way also filters all traffic for all users except tor, and allows you to use tor without sudo. These rules also assume that you don't have a lan, otherwise just add exceptions for 192.168.0.0/32, etc.
AutomapHostsOnResolve 1
TransPort 9040
DNSPort 5300
to torrc, and then:
sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -t nat -p tcp ! -d 127.0.0.1 -m owner ! --uid-owner tor -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9040
sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -t nat -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -m owner ! --uid-owner tor -j REDIRECT --to-ports 5300
sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -t filter ! -d 127.0.0.1 -m owner ! --uid-owner tor -j DROP
and then just add 127.0.0.1 as nameserver in
Emotions! In your brain!
Confessions without proof are not valid in Sweden (you cannot for example do plea-bargains in the Swedish court system). It is well known that people make up confessions; for example the Swedish police has received the confessions of over a 100 people, who all confessed murdering the former prime minister Olof Palme. Confessions are only counted (but only marginally so) if there is also technical evidence and / or witnesses.
The point is, if they trace the guys IP, it is doubtful that the Swedish court would grant a request to reveal the identity behind the IP address, you need to have at-least some bit of concrete technical evidence (e.g. logs identifying him in a bit-torrent swarm) to do that.
"Civis Europaeus sum!"
and you don't expect the lawyers to start asking for personal data because of trolling. (I'm going to shoot that president, and the vice-president of the United States with my ak47.)
The idea that a single off-the-cuff comment is hardly going to lead to all sorts of trouble coming down on you is an interesting view to take, however ITYF it's not shared by the majority of those in positions of authority.
To clarify, the above redirects all outgoing TCP connections and DNS resolves through Tor without needing anything else, and should block all other leaking outgoing traffic.It doesn't block identifying information being sent through Tor though, but that's a given. Bloody awesome feature, if a bit obscure.
Emotions! In your brain!
No one stole anything through pirate bay, they may have committed copyright infringement, but that is an entirely different thing.
Not even that. The Pirate Bay is charged with "assisting copyright infringement of 24 albums, 9 movies and 4 games", nothing more, nothing less. According to the Swedish constitution that's the only thing that should be taken in consideration by the court. Anything else they may have done except assisting copyright infringement of those specified 24 albums, 9 movies and 4 games is completely off-topic in the trial. Also, all fines and damages compensation are required to be in line with proven losses and it's against the constitution to use general deterrence, to make examples of specific deviants.
One thing we learned during the TPB trial and the debates of the new surveillance laws (FRA, IPRED, datalagringsdirektivet) is that the Swedish constitution isn't enforced at all. We have a "constitution deputation" but what they say are only to be regarded as "recommendations" and weighted with the opinions of other deputations. Previously this wasn't a problem because courts and law makers have pretty much followed the constitution anyway but the last few years it has become clear that we desperately need a constitutional court with full veto.
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Well, that'll teach him...
Not really... it's unlikely that they can prove anything with his gmail account...
:)
And the case will never hold in Sweden...
The news here is that some US judge signed a subpoena based on that email... Some might argue that such as judge is somewhat stupid... To put it mildly...
Don't be silly, have you ever seen a moose wearing a dress?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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He has no political power whatsoever. Not at all. Not even on paper. He's not even supposed to make political statements, if I remember correctly.
Emotions! In your brain!
Exactly. Here in the EU, they would actually have to have a valid case before anything will happen. You can't go around suing people like in the US without a strong case to take it to trial. This is a major reason why the US courts are jam-full of frivolous and baseless cases today. The problem is, they often go to trial before there is any real evidence of a crime.
This is exactly why I prefer a letter-of-the-law system like we have in Finland. There is little or no "interpretation". Laws are enforced as written and laws are written so that the average educated adult can understand them without hiring a lawyer to "interpret" them.
The same Corbin Fisher as this Corbin Fisher? Really?
This should prove to be amusing, at the very least. Yes mister judge sir, this here man has illegally copied and jerked off to thousands of dollars' worth of gay porn that we filmed using straight actors.
Actually, mister judge, sir, you're looking pretty good, yourself. Can I interest you in a financial opportunity ?
What a depressingly stupid machine.
Though even that is a faulty argument as the prosecution do not actually have anyone who performed the crime which these people have allegedly been assisting to perform.
Very true.
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Not really. It was one of the common tactics of fascists in the last century: promote widespread criminal activity and then ride the public backlash on the law and order bandwagon into power.
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The news here is that some US judge signed a subpoena based on that email... Some might argue that such as judge is somewhat stupid... To put it mildly... :)
Look at it this way:
>> Don't be silly, have you ever seen a moose wearing a dress?
You've obviously never been to one of Great-Aunt Edna's bridge parties.
But then, so does people calling copyright infringement theft...
I bet if people stop referring to copyright infringement as theft then the people who correct them when they do will stop too.
Next up, Tehcyder criticises the police for investigating a murder as "They only do that every single fucking time there's a murder"
My first question, if I were this guy's lawyer, would be, "Do you believe this man shared files based solely upon his email?"
If the answer is "Yes", then I would say, "That would indicate that you also believe he owns unicorns, talks to leprechauns with pots of gold at the end of rainbows based upon your same assumptions."
If the answer was "No", then I would ask, "Then what are we doing here?"
Make them look as stupid as possible.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
If you read what I said, you actually agree with me... ;)
"Civis Europaeus sum!"