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Firefox 4 Released!
A great number of readers have written in to tell us that Mozilla has officially announced the final, official, Firefox 4.0. Congrats to all the developers who have code in the build. If you want some neat eye candy, you can watch a sweet visualization showing where the downloaders are.
I just downloaded and installed FF4, and unlike what I had expected from the new version, FF4 is actually noticeably slower on most websites, including Slashdot :-/
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I hope Mozilla makes the next version as secure as IE9
What a horrible thing to say
RC1 had an issue with Menu Display. Seemed to be constrained to the application being open on the secondary monitor.
Release has the same bug, toned down a bit. At least now I can see the menu a bit before it vanishes.... But it's still an annoying bug.
The visualization at http://glow.mozilla.org/ is really nice, and I like the fact that there are over 120 downloads every second!
By the way, my firefox updated automatically, does anybody know if it counted as a download?
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Back then I remember hearing about this Phoenix web browser referred to as Mozilla Lite that was just a few MB and I loved it. Now I have watched as Firefox has grown, but the bloat has as well. Well at least 15 MB is still nothing these days.
The interface is somewhat streamlined. It is noticeably faster. The support for open standards is better and that's great. They certainly worked hard to ensure they had a solid product--a long time in coming. But, I use Linux most of the time. I'd like to have the features supported in other OSes available to me in my primary OS. Any ideas as to when/if they will have full support for 3d acceleration? I would also like the interface to be identical. I know the Google Chrome guys complained about making their product identical to the Windows version. They ultimately succeeded. I can only wonder when they will for the Linux community.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
Privacy and avoiding data miner look like pretty good reasons for me.
Does it still have the AwfulBar?
Not interested.
They're also the only browser with Chrome to fight bad the big guys and doesn't support the evil H.264 - someones have to fight for our rights!
Chrome still supports H.264 as of current versions. Youtube still uses H.264. The Youtube App for Android and iOS still supports H.264 streaming. Google Video still supports H.264. So what rights are they fighting? All I see is Google using VP8 to get all sorts of deals with entertainment companies and hardware manufacturers to make themselves more money.
Which will take them 6 months to fix as they concentrate on pleasing the Oooh shiny! crowd with ever more useless bells and whistles.
Cynic? Moi?
Yup, as everyone knows, new = insecure and old = secure. That's why I stick with good ol' IE 6: It's been out so long, I know all the holes have been patched.
That's okay, you're not missing much. It may even be seen as an undocumented feature instead.
Check the timestamp of the newspost and the timestamp of the comment. It's another of Microsoft's poorly-planned astroturfing squad, with a paragraph of text including thinly-veiled praise of their Redmond masters ready to roll the very minute the newspost was made.
No, not "a few minutes afterward", the amount of time it would take to actually type all that. And not "a one-line response", the amount of text you'd expect to get out between noticing the post and responding. Numerous sentences of text, the same minute of the post. All this BEFORE the usual tool-assisted first post crowd comes in. It's a shill.
I've heard many times before that Microsoft itself is largely cloistered from the rest of the world, engineers, marketeers, and management alike. They actually DO think this is the best way to spread the gospel of Microsoft, and they actually DO think nobody will notice it.
The latest rumors are that delicious is being sold, possibly to StumbledUpon. Unfortunately, given the lack of support that delicious gets internally at yahoo and the amount of time it takes for sales like this to happen, I suspect that third-party add-ons will come before anything official. It's unfortunate, because delicious is a really useful service and hard to live without. I've made myself do so with firefox 4, largely due to the uncertainty about its future.
Have they dumped the awesome bar yet? It makes my browsing more difficult nearly every day.
What are they going to do next? Replace the menubar with a start button? Oh, wait...
Right click on the blank gray space next to the tabs and uncheck the "Tabs on Top" property. That will put the tabs back below the location bar, where they belong.
Did you know subscribers can see articles in the future?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
According to the download page, the new version includes "even more awesomeness". No word on whether or not the level of suck has decreased.
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Went to Chrome... Not looking back without a good reason...
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No, the tin foil hat he's wearing probably blocked that information out.
Tabs STILL are not in their own processes like Chrome has done since day one. It does look like closing tabs reallocates memory though. So at least that seems to be fixed (it's been promised since, what, version 2?).
And this time it only took me one add-on (Status-4-Evar) to regain lost functionality.
What is 100% true is Microsoft are happy to leave 60% of their customers using their old insecure browsers. Some of whom only bought there OS last year.
Microsoft doesn't want people using their old browsers so their site to persuade people to change must be a decoy? http://www.ie6countdown.com./ And pushing their new browsers via Windows Update unless you take steps to prevent it must be smoke and mirrors?
Speaking of unsubstantiated, citation please for people who only bought "there" OS last year and are on old insecure browsers?
And when you talk about moving off IE6, you should start with the app developers... But don't let that get in the way of the fun.
Mozilla is doing good job improving Firefox
It's OK so far, I guess, but it doesn't have an OMGPonies plugin yet.
Are you using Windows XP? I find that FF4 is slower than FF3.6 on my work computer (winXP) but faster on my home computer (vista). The new version renders using Direct2D on Vista and Win7, but uses software rendering on anything older. I'm sure you lose a lot in that mode of operation.
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And I hope Mozilla makes the next version as secure as IE9 with its sandboxing and all the extra security features Microsoft has build on Windows 7.
See divxo et al for more info. Still, it's good that the shills are learning. They are at least trying to emulate what they perceive to be a typical slashdotter's speech. Not that it's working just yet, but they are making some efforts. There are a lot of inconsistencies that they must iron out, though, so they should lurk moar. That's mostly for 4chan, not /., if you're taking notes (which I recommend you do).
also the only browser with Chrome to fight bad the big guys and doesn't support the evil H.264 - someones have to fight for our rights!
Whle there are some weird people out there, most people who are averse to corporations and patents refrain from phrasing their opinions as if they were five-year-olds. "Evil H.264" just don't cut it as believable material. But it's ok, at least it's an effort. I must point out, though, that if you're against the "big guys", you probably won't gratuitously draw attention to their product being so superior.
the succesful look that Opera has and made Firefox look as good as Opera
This was an understandable mistake. But most of us, if we really care enough to keep voicing our opinions about browsers, will pick one or two. I'm yet to see someone describing with such (poorly worded) passion all browsers. If Chrome, Opera, Firefox and IE9 are all so cool and good, I'd expect a "meh, all browsers are pretty competent nowadays", not "hey, Firefox is great, it's now as great as Opera is great, and Google rules because it defies "bad the big guys" and IE9 is so secure WOW so glad to b here guys!". To get a little more believable, how about choosing one browser to focus on as a favorite? Tell us why you use it etc. Make up some stories. It's cool, a lot of people here are doing it right now. Some are even becoming lawyers or war veterans, so retroactively using a software for a couple of days seems comparatively easy. I really wish for the shills to get better. They can still defend a product to their employer's heart's content, but doing so believably would be better for al of us. Not that quality is always necessary to blend in, since the standards aren't that high, but avoiding glaring oversights is, otherwise they'll only blend in with the trolls.
Windows 2000 will still run on modern PCs. OSX 10.4 won't, because the desktop versions of it only ran on PPC, whereas modern Macs run Intel chips now.
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I have numerous dev/test sites with similar addresses that change name/config almost weekly. With Firefox/awesomebar, I can just type the differentiator directly into the browser instead of making a bookmark (which in a week or two will be out of date anyway).
As a web engineer, Firefox has no peer yet. Chrome/Safari are nice, and do offer features and speed that FF doesn't (at least on OSX), but Firefox (thanks to awesomebar) keeps me productive in a very dynamic work environment.
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No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
How well does your intranet do on the HTML and CSS validators?
When I first fired it up, my first thought was: "Yuk, What happened to the fonts?"
Some searching revealed this is the MS Win7 DirectWrite Font rendering(IE 9 does the same thing).
Disable HW acceleration and all is well with my fonts.
Why does DirectWrite font rendering look so awful? Do other people actually prefer this (fonts are thicker and closer to together).
Here's my FF4 upgrade plan:
If I decide to roll back:
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
MS doesn't want to leave any of its customers using old, insecure browsers. In fact, it is just the opposite. They want to sell them an upgrade. And if they get two upgrades in one (browser and OS) then they are <charliesheen>winning!</charliesheen>.
- doug
Have you tried creating a new bool in Firefox's "about:config" ? - Navigate to the following page: about:config - Tell Firefox you'll be careful - Right click in empty white-space and select New -> Boolean from the context menu - Enter the following for the new value: extensions.checkCompatibility.4.0 - Set it to False - Restart Firefox... All of my extensions have worked no prob using this work-around. Until the add-on devs update their wares, this should suffice...
Yeah, VMware remote console plugin was disabled by ff4, with no way to enable it, which means I can't do my work.
Not an option.
Have they caught up yet? A few weeks ago half my extensions didn't work so I reverted.
Most popular extensions have caught up. The Compatibility Dashboard has more details. However, we can't force all developers to update and inevitably some add-ons will lag behind or be abandoned.
To answer my own question: yes, there is..
Cheers,
Ian
As always, we posted the portable version within a few hours over at PortableApps.com. As we did an extended test of version 4.0 portably following the whole 4.0 beta and RC process, it's turned out to be a nice, stable release. It's great for running from your flash drive, DropBox or just trying out a new firefox install without affecting your local one.
Release Announcement | Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 4.0 homepage
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
Looks like the main issue is the use of -moz-linear-gradient without a corresponding -webkit version, and the use of -moz-calc.
Which is sort of unfortunate... on the other hand, this page is basically part of the browser UI on first run; it's not a general page that you'd want to link someone to.
Subscribers were already mentioned, but the Firehose also shows stories currently in the queue..
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I used to when I was a subscriber. But I've lapsed subscriptions ever since they insisted on Paypal to pay for it. They should go back to credit cards. That said, there's something weird with viodlos. I don't think he's an MS shill simply because I can't believe they'd be so inept. He keeps grabbing first posts and adding in Microsoft references. I think he's just trying to troll or false-flag by pretending to be an MS shill. Though genuine obsessed independent is possible I suppose. It's counter-productive to MS, whatever the reason.
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Gee I don't know. I was going to say Warsow, but it actually comes with non-Free art. Anyway, this is exactly my point: the only quality non-Free content is pure entertainment. Its value is entirely subjective. My cat it just as entertaining to me as the best PC game I ever played. We all know people whose idea of ultimate fun time involves running 3 miles per day in an urban environment. Even though we may have to pay monopoly prices for some kinds of entertainment, we are not shut out of any area with actual utility. No one is holding a gun to our head: the very best and the most useful parts of Internet render just fine with Free software.
Can anyone recommend alternatives to all the new "whiz-bang" bullshit that's put in browsers today?
Now that Firefox has truly gone the way of Netscape and IE with the bloat, I'd really like to get back to a bare-bones browser that simply provides the openness for the plugins I need, and GTFO with everything else.
I'm weary of Chrome, and Firefox is just worthless to me now (crashes, slow, etc).
Yeah this is a biased comment, but I figured the people with the same requirements as I have will probably understand and respond. I hope!
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