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Man Finds Divorce Papers, Tax Docs On "New" Laptop

An anonymous reader writes "25-year-old Hidayat Sudirman found that his new laptop came loaded with more than just the usual software, it also contained 10GB of someone else's documents. From the article: "A buyer on the lookout for a new laptop got more than he bargained for at his local computer fair when the 'new' device came loaded with over 10GB of personal documents — including divorce papers and tax returns."

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  1. Bundled Software by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I saw an article a while back that IBM was going to add even more bloatware and start including "starter docs" to take the guess work out of creating day-to-day files and records. That's not personal data, those are "templates".

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    1. Re:Bundled Software by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Funny

      As complicated as that process can get, I'm surprised we don't see an MS Divorce 2011 suite available. They can even have a Professional and Ultimate edition depending on if you have kids and/or wealthy.

       

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    2. Re:Bundled Software by khr · · Score: 2

      As complicated as that process can get, I'm surprised we don't see an MS Divorce 2011 suite available. They can even have a Professional and Ultimate edition depending on if you have kids and/or wealthy.

      Professional and Ultimate? I think in this case it'd have to be more like Mobile, Home and Gold editions...

  2. An IT fair in Singapore? This really concerns me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It could have been any one of us who sold their laptop to some guy who sells laptops at an IT fair in Singapore!

    Let

  3. Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Vault by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article pushes the use of TrueCrypt rather heavily, but while it is nice for most people on a Mac it's a lot easier to just turn on FileVault (which stores your whole home directory in an encrypted disk image) and then make sure you require a login when you wake the computer.

    I believe there's also a similar solution for Windows. In general it's better to promote the solution that works and is most likely to get used.

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  4. Re:An IT fair in Singapore? This really concerns m by somersault · · Score: 2

    Hopefully most Slashdotters would at least make a minimal effort at wiping personal data off of any computer before selling it on.

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  5. You gets what you pays for . . . by mmell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I see two possibilities, in order of decreasing likelihood...

    1 - The seller got his hand on a bunch of identical, lightly-used machines and decided to resell 'em as "new". Creep.

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    2 - The seller imaged a bunch of boxes from a used machine (with the end in view of not having to register/activate multiple copies of Windows) - i.e., the seller is pushing a pirated version of Windows with his new machines. Creep.

    1. Re:You gets what you pays for . . . by MORB · · Score: 2

      Or

      3 - someone brought the computer, returned it and got a refund for whatever reason, and they omitted to wipe the drive when they repackaged it.

      People often don't realize that as a downside of the ability to return items, the stuff they purchase might actually have been previously sold and then returned.

    2. Re:You gets what you pays for . . . by Minwee · · Score: 2

      I hate to be the one to break it to you, but sometimes stupid people are allowed to use computers too.

  6. Re:Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Va by somersault · · Score: 2

    If we're going to mention specific OSes that have encryption built in, then I'll add Ubuntu and Windows Vista/7* to your list.

    * probably just the more expensive versions, I'm not sure though

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  7. Used is the new new by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just got a "new" Boxee Box from Amazon that had some one's name in the accounts. To bad he didn't subscribe to Netflix. How come big business can sell used things as new?

    If I return something. It should never be able to be sold as new again!

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    1. Re:Used is the new new by sribe · · Score: 2

      If I return something. It should never be able to be sold as new again!

      I think most states have laws on the books that in order to be sold as new an item has to be really new, never used. You would probably agree, however, that if you don't even open the item it could sold as new? If not, that would certainly complicate return policies...

      I just got a "new" Boxee Box from Amazon that had some one's name in the accounts. To bad he didn't subscribe to Netflix. How come big business can sell used things as new?

      Sometimes the creep is the original purchaser. Sometimes a purchaser will go to great lengths to make it look as though the box was never opened. It has happened to me--get box that looks new, open it, find disheveled obviously used equipment inside (which was DOA), reinspect box and see that someone spent at least several minutes perfectly re-aligning the flaps and tape tears and applying new tape perfectly over the original so that a casual look would never reveal that the box had been opened. That was from a good reputable company, so I had no problem returning it and getting my money back, but still, sheesh...

    2. Re:Used is the new new by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      It should then be sold as USED. For like 1/2 price.

      Then you would never be able to return anything for more than 1/2 of what you paid for it.

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    3. Re:Used is the new new by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Uniform commercial code, section 2-313B.

      What it says in paragraph 3 is, if the seller says it's new, it has to be new. It also says, in paragraph 4, if the seller says it's worth the same as something that's new, it doesn't have to be worth that much. And in paragraph 5 it says that the fine print of their sales pitch may give you no opportunity to recover even if they lied. So watch out for scammy wording. And in paragraph 6 it says it's not their fault if it broke in transit.

      IANAL, but I'm probably better than yours.

      Oh, and how much of a national freaking treasure is the Cornell University Law School. making of itself by putting this stuff online? I feel like I owe them a chunk of my estate as an endowment when I croak, and I didn't go anywhere near there. If I do decide to go to law school, they're #3 on the list of applications (behind Harvard, of course, and my nearest; Georgetown would be #4, and something online would be #5).

  8. Re:Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Va by ItsLenny · · Score: 2

    My fear with using BitLocker (win) or FileVault (mac) is that if for whatever reason my computer stops booting I won't be able to get in and get my files back. If you leave your files unencrypted you can usually just use a boot cd or worst case plug the drive in to another computer to save your files. Before anyone says it yes I do back up regularly, but you never know

    However, with TrueCrypt you get a file which is a disc image that can be opened on any system as long as you have the TrueCrypt software and the password. So I throw all my general stuff on the drive unencrypted and sensitive stuff (passwords, financial data, etc) in a TrueCrypt file.

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  9. Re:Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Va by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    With FileVault, you can recover your files on any Macintosh system. (You could technically recover your files on any system, but I don't know if anyone's written a sparsebundle reader for other OSes.)

    Your home directory is, in fact, stored as a OS-X-specific disk image (sparsebundle) encrypted with your passphrase. It's not tightly bound to your particular computer or user account, except that the passphrase is required to be the same as your login password.

  10. Sudirman found it hard to believe... by gwolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The divorce papers spelt his own name. That futuristic laptop, top-spec and top-notch in every possible detail, was actually a gift from the future. And after reading through some pages of the divorce settlement, he called his fiancée and cancelled the marriage.

    As if by magic, the laptop was now empty. He would not be able to show the nifty features of Office 2018 to his office mates.

  11. Re:Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Va by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    In Vista and 7, yes, it is in the ultimate version and is called bitlocker.

    Windows Vista
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/products/compare
    Windows 7
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/compare/default.aspx

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  12. Re:10GB documents??? by rwade · · Score: 2

    Sure -- a library. But how many libraries of congress would it hold?

  13. Similar thing from CDW by DarthBart · · Score: 4, Informative

    I worked in the IT department for a company, and we ordered a couple of laptops for evaluation from CDW. One of the laptops was defective (the lid closure switch didn't work). So I sent it back and got a replacement. A week later, we ordered a dozen laptops. In that shipment was the defective one I had sent back, still in the same box I shipped back in (I had torn the box trying to get the box open). Needless to say, a nasty phone call was made to our sales rep and he overnighted a replacement and they never asked for the defective unit back. I kept the defective unit as my desktop.

    1. Re:Similar thing from CDW by adolf · · Score: 2

      I remember hearing stories about someone who started putting a teensy little dot on the sleeve of any bad Netflix discs, because he was convinced they were just sending him the same ones he'd just returned, and indeed sometimes they were.

      That sounds very unlikely.

      Every time I have had a bad disc from Netflix (it's happened a couple of times over the two or three years I've used the service), I just click a simple and obvious series of buttons on their web site.

      They then send out a different copy immediately, and I return the bad disc at my leisure. At no time have I been requested to return the bad disc first.

  14. Re:An IT fair in Singapore? This really concerns m by ddd0004 · · Score: 2

    Yeah no kidding. This is like me buying a car stereo from a guy who walked up to me a gas station and then recoiling in shock when it already has a cd in it. A better title for this article should be "Newsflash: Sometimes People Steal Things"

  15. Oh no! They really *did* steal the laptop! by RevWaldo · · Score: 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8D1e3kD4W8

    Although my main issue with this ad is you'd really give some flunkies at Staples access to your tax files? REALLY??!?

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  16. Not a story.... by m509272 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was bought at a computer fair give me a break. Retailers selling returned stuff as new, not a surprise, definitely illegal. Manufacturers pulling it, extremely illegal. I had a friend that bought a "new" external hard drive only to find that it was loaded with someone else's photos, tax returns, etc. We believe that was the manufacturer buying refurb drives to install in the external case. Does that constitute a "new" product?

  17. Re:I probably wouldn't have noticed this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I do this - what you do is take your data, and make a copy of it. The second copy is your key. Then you XOR the plain text and the key together, just like a one-time-pad encryption method. This leaves you with a giant file that's all 0s. You can then compress down to almost nothing and save it to disk. The last step is to store your key somewhere. If someone gets that compressed, encrypted file, I can guarantee that as long as you keep your key safe, they won't be able to decrypt it.

  18. Re:Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Va by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

    The article pushes the use of TrueCrypt rather heavily, but while it is nice for most people on a Mac it's a lot easier to just turn on FileVault (which stores your whole home directory in an encrypted disk image) and then make sure you require a login when you wake the computer.

    The last time I looked (which was fairly recently), FileVault conflicted with Time Machine in that TM would only back up your home directory while you were actually logged out of the machine if you had FileVault enabled. Is that still the case?

    Reference to an example discussion of the issue: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa;jsessionid=49AFF6673807DC58FD81B4150F261932.node0?messageID=11535839&

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  19. Re:Better solution for Mac than TrueCrypt- File Va by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    That is unfortunately true but you can make TM actually back up your files and not the sparsebundle (which means it will back-up while you are logged in):

    http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20100123173425191

    Sadly not something you could easily direct a normal person to do, as an encrypted laptop with an un-encrypted backup is the ideal situation for most users.

    Also I would kind of worry how fast you could recover if you had tricked TM in that way, it seems like the process would be a lot more hands-on than normal as you would probably restore, set up FileVault in a new users, and then copy in the backed-up user directory into it. But if you know enough to get it to work you could get the data back out.

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  20. This is shocking...really? by penguin_dance · · Score: 2

    Hidayat Sudirman, a 25 year old civil servant from Singapore, bought a 14-inch Asus laptop from a stand at his local IT fair on the understanding that it was a brand-new device. When he got it home, however, it appeared not to be the case.

    So he didn't buy this at a store or from Dell/HP/whatever. He bought it at an IT fair in Singapore and they LIED and said it was new?

    This is news?

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  21. 10 gigs of documents? by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2

    That's quite a lot for a single individual to amass in a (presumably) short period of time between buying and returning a computer. I think they perhaps mean 10 gigs in personal files alltogether. If the previous user imported their music library, photo albums, video*cough*porn*cough*, then that's easy enough. Documents alone would be surprising, tho.

  22. Re:An IT fair in Singapore? This really concerns m by somersault · · Score: 2

    If it's porn then hopefully they'll at least wipe the machine down with a cloth to remove any "personal data"..

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