Slashdot Mirror


How Mac OS X, 10 Today, Changed Apple's World

CWmike writes "Ten years ago today, Apple's first full public version of Mac OS X went on sale worldwide to a gleeful reception as thousands of Mac users attended special events at their local computer shops all across the planet. What we didn't know then was that Apple was preparing to open up its own chain of retail outlets, nor had we heard Steve Jobs use the phrase, 'iPod.' Windows was still a competitor, and Google was still a search engine. These were halcyon days, when being a Mac user meant belonging to the second team, writes Jonny Evans. We're looking at the eighth significant OS X release in the next few months, Lion, which should offer some elements of unification between the iOS and OS X. There's still some bugs to iron out though, particularly the problem with ACL's (Access Control Lists) inside the Finder. Hopefully departing ex-NeXT Mac OS chief, Bertrand Serlet, will be able to fix this before he leaves."

28 of 342 comments (clear)

  1. Windows "was" a competitor? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting use of the past tense there, considering Windows usage still dwarfs Mac OS usage.

    --
    "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    1. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Old97 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. Ten years ago the Mac OS was a dying niche. Now it's a thriving niche.

      --
      Very often, people confuse simple with simplistic. The nuance is lost on most. - Clement Mok
    2. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by inKubus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, another Apple, Inc. (no "Computer" in the name any more, they removed that) knob schlob on the front page. Gee, isn't Apple great. Hasn't 10 years been great for Apple? Boy, they sure are the dominant operating system NOW (no. they're still not.) Got news for you poster, having Apple still makes you part of the "Second Team" of journalists. Just do what the marketing tells you, you're doing fine.

      --
      Cool! Amazing Toys.
    3. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now it's dead. Replaced by NextStep. Which is thriving.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure, I won't deny that times are better for Apple. But it's kind of ridiculous to say that Windows is no longer a competitor against Apple, since they are not only actively fighting, but Microsoft is still ahead.

      --
      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    5. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by MimeticLie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even better is the fact that he counts iPads as PCs. My phone runs Windows Mobile. Is that a PC?

    6. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My house has Windows. I think we should factor this in to the calculation as well.

    7. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. It's more like a chimera, with MacOS-like stuff bolted onto NextStep. There are still some things I preferred about the original NextStep, such as the menu arrangement.

      Also, MacOS isn't really dead, just emulated. There are emulators available for original 68k and PowerPC varieties, and for multiple platforms (Windows, OS X, Linux). The Mac OS zombie marches on, even on OS X.

    8. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Drakino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "year of the Linux Desktop" is what pushed me to OS X 10 years ago. Red Hat was touting that line, while Apple was providing their first attempt at a Unix desktop. I wanted to get off Windows, and Apple provided the better path for me when I compared it side by side to Linux desktops of the time. 10 years later, the Linux desktop has gotten better, but not enough to sway me away from OS X.

      Definitely don't regret the decision. I have out of the box IPv6 based secure tunneling between all my machines now by check marking a box, all my photos in an app that lets me organize them well, a decent selection of games (still not as big as Windows, but it has gotten much better in recent years), and all the unix tools I want waiting for me in Terminal.app. All in a powerful, quiet and well built hardware platform too.

    9. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Tharsman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The point is that Windows was seen as a competitor back then. Apple thought the only way they were able to survive was by defeating Windows and convincing every Windows user the MacOS was better. These days Apple acknowledges there is no competition, that people with their mind set on Windows are unlikely to change that mind, and instead focus just to show case their OS and computers to new generations that are buying for the first time, no longer trying to steal existing consumers from Microsoft.

    10. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Drakino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I mean iPhoto. Been using it since version 1 from January 2002. Back when cameras all hadn't standardized on ways to transfer photos to a computer, and most people were doing all the file management by hand. I plug in a camera, iPhoto launches, and offers to import. I can organize them into albums, and over time events, places, faces and smart albums were added to make it better. Features have also been added to let me share the photos to web sites, via e-mail, Facebook, and other places. All without ever having to manage the files directly.

      And at any time I can extract out all my initial jpeg imported images out of the library this "bit of proprietary software" created and move to another program if I need to. So far that hasn't happened. I have poked at Picassa and had fun with the face movie feature, and I am glad to see the competition. It's just not quite enough to move me away from the solutions I have now that work for me.

      iPhoto was one of the programs that helped me understand "The Mac way" early on, and I've come to appreciate it. With iLife apps, Spotlight, and other features, I don't manage files. I manage my content. In doing so, it's helped me realize what a proper consumer based system should look like. While the free software folks have been busy over the past decade arguing over licenses and what free and open mean, I've been bringing the joys of computing to my family members, including my elderly grandparents thanks to the consumer nature of OS X. I've given up on caring about using proprietary vs open software long ago, and instead pick what works well. In some cases it's FOSS software, in others it's free but closed software, and other times it's paid closed software.

      I'm still a supporter of Linux, and continue to use it as a server OS. But I'm not prepared to switch to it as a desktop OS, nor would I even think of switching my family over. Ultimately practicality wins out for me these days over idealism.

    11. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dominance is relative.

      And stock price is never, ever an indication of "dominance".

      Plus, I doubt that even you would be so bold as to say that Apple's capitalization has anything at all to do with its personal computing platform and not it's consumer electronics.

      As a user of Apple computers, but not really their consumer electronics, I often wonder if they will ever come out with a new operating system for personal computers.

      Due to the current direction of the company, I have my doubts as to whether the successor to OSX will allow me to buy my own software and install it myself without the prior approval of Apple. I'm not even sure there will be a successor to OSX. I am not saying this to diminish Apple's success, but rather as an indication that they have "moved on" as a company, from making computing platforms that you could use to develop your own software and use for many other creative endeavors, to entertainment and other carefully curated "personal management" software. I believe they have found their niche in creating the successor to the PDA and the kind of computing in which users of Slashdot with UIDs below 1000000 generally engage. I'm not putting this new approach down, I'm just recognizing that with the iOS platforms they have found success that they never reached when they were focused on personal computing.

      Apple's stock has played a big part in allowing my wife and I to send my daughter to a good university. Apple's personal computers played a huge part in my career as a creative artist. Although the Macintosh is no longer my primary platform for music or video production, and it's no longer the clear choice in any of the creative fields - graphic arts, music production, video production, photography - their part in the history of the use of personal computers in those fields is an important one.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
  2. Flamewars by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real reason Mac OS X exists is to fuel flamewars between nerds of different OS religions.

    --
    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
    1. Re:Flamewars by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OS X has solved more flamewars than it sparked. It's a great middle ground, where both GUI lovers and CLI lovers are welcome. You don't have to be a fanatic to like OS X, unlike OS 9 and earlier.

      Obviously, there are still good reasons to use systems other than OS X, but everyone can agree that OS X is a big improvement.

      --
      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    2. Re:Flamewars by Jethro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most my computers are Linux machines, including my desktop.

      My laptop is a Macbook Pro. Before that it was a Macbook, and before that it was a Powerbook.

      I would not have TOUCHED a Mac if not for OS X, which is, essentially, UNIX.

      I'm typing thins on my laptop right now. I currently have Firefox open, and an IM program, a VNC, and several terminals. One terminal is running Alpine on my desktop, one is doing an apt-get dist-upgrade on my media center, and one is setting up the new kernel/boot parameters for the network boot on my media server.

      So, yes, people DO use the CLI in OS X, I'd say ESPECIALLY people who live in UNIX-land, but do also occasionally need to edit some video or process some photographs or record some audio.

      --


      In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
    3. Re:Flamewars by Graff · · Score: 5, Informative

      The relevant visible parts of MacOS are pretty anti-unix actually.

      Erm, no, Mac OS X is quite definitely 100% certified Unix. This has nothing to do with the "visible parts" (you mean the GUI I assume), this is all about the underlying kernel and other subsystems of the OS, as well as some of the userland tools.

  3. halcyon days? by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows was still a competitor, and Google was still a search engine. These were halcyon days, when being a Mac user meant belonging to the second team

    So mac users fancy themselves as belonging to the winning team now? And how exactly were the days when Microsoft propped up Apple to prevent Microsoft from becoming a noticeable monopoly halcyon? Apple's fire almost died, and they had to make heavy use of BSD licensed (free, wee!) software to rekindle the embers.

    1. Re:halcyon days? by Jahava · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seriously, you think the use of some BSD code is what made the difference?

      You do understand that their kernel, Darwin, uses XNU at its core, which is largely composed of the Mach Microkernel and BSD. Leveraging these mature projects spared Apple (NeXT, at the time) from having to design, develop, and debug a kernel from scratch.

      Yes, this is a hell of a leg-up.

  4. Re:played with the beta by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Informative

    At the time people were saying they'd just stick with yellow dog linux. Funny how times change

    Yeah, hilarious. Xserves are dead now, and Mac OS X Server won't be far behind. Thankfully you can run CentOS on a 1U budget server and still use the yellow dog update manager. :)

  5. Re:One word makes a phrase now by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yep.

    --
    Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
  6. Was a wise move by Apple by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nothing is perfect, but moving to OS X from the previous MacOS/System versions was a smart move for Apple, and was one of the reasons Apple is still around today.

    Before OS X, if a program did not hand control back go the OS via WaitNextEvent(), the Mac essentially need to be restarted. In fact, Macs became so unstable, people ended up just rebooting them every two hours just to be safe.

    It is an ironic contrast to these days where the only time Macs go down is a reboot to install a security patch, or a Safari update (why Safari patches require a reboot is beyond me, but that is Apple for you.)

    Apple did the right thing. People yelled at Apple to get an OS that did actual, preemptive multitasking for years. Multiuser security? You had to use a utility that would do tricks to create the illusion of multiple users, such as Kent Marsh's FileGuard, Empower, Casady & Greene's [1] AME, or another utility.

    Of course, there was the virus issue. OS 9 and previous did have a good number of viruses on the platform. OS X has not had a single one in the wild.

    All and all, OS X has withstood this decade quite well. No major breaches in the wild (except for Trojans like the one bundled with a pirated version of iWork '09). No OS is completely secure (and it often was the first to fall in hacking contests), but it has proven to have a well deserved security reputation in the real world.

    Is there room for improvement? Yes. OS X needs a modern filesystem to compete with ZFS, btrfs, and possible changed to NTFS. OS X also needs full disk encryption and not just FileVault. Hopefully Apple will address these, preferably before they run out of big cat names for OS versions.

    [1]: Yep, the same Casady & Greene who made the software that was renamed into iTunes.

    1. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by TheoCryst · · Score: 3, Informative

      No file system upgrades yet, but Lion (v10.7) will ship with full-disk FileVault.

      --
      Warning: Contents May Be Flammable. Keep Out Of Reach Of Children.
    2. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by bigjocker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OSX is what Linux wants to be when it grows up.

      Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, I use it since 95, and I wouldn't install anything different to a server. But right now Linux interface (yes, Gnome, I'm talking about you) feels so old it's frustrating. And don't get me started about the beautiful-but-hiper-unstable KDE ... If KDE's stylists wold support Gnome's good but aesthetically blind developers, we may be on to something.

      But right now Linux feels stuck on FVWM95, while OSX provides a CLI just as powerful (MacPorts rule, BTW) and a consistent-yet-usable-yet-nice-looking GUI.

      --
      Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
  7. Not only that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    But a lot of Mac's growth has been due to Windows running on it. We see that on campus all the time. People want a Mac for whatever reason. However they need software that is Windows only (this is particularly common in Engineering, where I work) or they are a gamer and want to play games that aren't on the Mac (see that with students a lot). Previously that might have turned them off from a Mac. However now they get one and then get Windows for it and maybe Fusion or Parallels. Our bookstore does a ton of business in Windows licenses and VMs.

    So sure, more people are using Macs and OS-X but often it is in addition to, not at the expense of, Windows. Fine for Apple, they make money on hardware, but also fine for MS, they make money on software. MS doesn't care what you run Windows on, just that you run Windows.

    1. Re:Not only that by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You touch on a good point. The dominance of Windows was tough to beat. MacOS X changed much of that, as did Linux. If you're a civilian, you just want to get work done. For a long time, Windows dominated for many reasons, some of them illegal competition. MacOS put more non-Windows machines in peoples hands than Linux did. Eventually, Ubuntu and some other distros could be used by civilians. Fine.

      MacOS X gave Windows the competition that OS/2 couldn't and Linux (at the time) couldn't in the general market place. SunOS/Solaris couldn't do it. Apple actually innovated, rather than relying on a lot of hardware partners to do this. They were consistent, where Microsoft's architectural compromises cased huge incompatibility issues and security nightmares until they were resolved.

      --
      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
  8. Re:Apple's World? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...a place where remote exploits simply don't exist."

    Wow. Where is the -1 Delusional mod? Check out www.macexploit.com for a list of Mac OS X remote exploits that do exist.

  9. Re:Apple's World? by sootman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, maybe he's an engineer. Comparing the 55 exploits in the list you linked to--which go back SEVEN YEARS (last entry: June 2010)--to the nearly uncountable number of exploits against Windows is effectively "nonexistent." (Note: Vista and 7 have been doing very well. But DAMN that was a long, painful stretch we had to endure under XP.)

    Is Mac OS X perfect? No. BUT: Has there ever been a widespread virus for it? No. Has there ever been a self-replicating, self-spreading virus in the wild for it? No. Have drive-by downloads ever been a problem? No.

    A few years ago, my teenaged son turned a Windows box from a smoothly-running specimen into an unbootable heap of molten slag (note: exaggerating, but not by much) in a single afternoon of unsupervised web surfing. I switched my wife (it was her computer) and, eventually, him, to a Mac mini, and have not had a problem since.

    --
    Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
  10. ACL bug, root cause by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry... I used to maintain the ACL code in the Mac OS X kernel. This is a user-space bug in the DesktopServices framework.

    Although this is not usually a problem, since only foolish/untrained administrators use Finder copies on systems being used as servers, I tried several times to get the Desktop Services folks to fix this. Mac OS X has multiple "copy engines", and the one in libc gets this right, while the one in the DesktopServices framework gets this wrong.

    The problem is that the finder "copy engine" code sets an ACL in the openx_np() system call, rather than using the chmodx_np() system call after the fact to set an explicit ACL. The ACL it passes to openx_np() is obtained from the source file system object via getattrlist() (but could as easily have come from statx_np()). So the ACL being set is the combination of the ACL set explicitly by the openx_np(), and the ACL being set as a result of the inheritance bit on the container directory in which the new file or directory is being created.

    This is in fact necessary, since the only way to make image backups of a subtree such that the copied subtree has exactly the same permissions in the target subtree as it had in the source subtree is to set *all* of the ACLs that were on the source object onto the target. Anything else loses permissions grants or denials on the copy of the object which were present on the original. This is either inconvenient, in the case of grants, or a critical security bug, in the case of denials.

    You can also see where this would be a necessary step for a backup/restore operation, where the date is serialized into an archive format on the backup, and deserialized back into the file system on a restore, which could be a partial archive restore.

    Things can get even more complicated when Time Machine and Spotlight are thrown into the mix, since Spotlight adds inherited ACEs to permit it to index directory contents that would otherwise be denied it by ACL, as does Time Machine (for some reason, they do not share a common group ID and utilize a single shared system functionality ACE, but I digress...). Likewise Time Machine sets an inherited ACE on its backup volume, for similar reasons.

    The correct fix is to do ACE deduplication in the case that the target directory container has inherited ACE entries which match the ACE entries on the source object, and remove duplicates from those explicitly listed in the openx_np() call. The alternative approach is to explicitly set exactly the desired ACL on the target after the target is created -- this has the drawback that you would need to explicitly know the container ACLs inherited ACE list in order to aggregate it yourself, but has the advantage that you won't be denied access to the object during creation if your openx_np() ACL contains explicit rights grants for the group or user that the creating entity runs under (this should be coupled with a subsequent "deny everyone" ACE to avoid a security race, which makes this the less desirable workable solution).

    Note that the above should make it obvious why a depth-first post-application of ACLs on copied objects wouldn't work; apart from the security problems in the order of operation window, network protocols such as AFP and NFSv$ and SMB all use connection credentials rather than request credentials (NFSv3 uses request credentials), and even privileged users do not have access to other users keychains or session passwords in effect for a given copy operation.

    -- Terry