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If Search Is Google's Castle, Android Is the Moat
Hugh Pickens writes "Warren Buffet once said that the best businesses were economic castles protected by unbreachable moats. Now, Erick Schonfeld writes that if search is Google's economic castle, Android is a moat, Chrome browser is a moat, and Google Apps is a moat — all free products, subsidized by search profits, intended to protect the economic castle that is search. 'Android, as well as Chrome and Chrome OS for that matter, are not "products" in the classic business sense. They have no plan to become their own "economic castles,"' says Benchmark Capital VC Bill Gurley. 'They are not trying to make a profit on Android or Chrome. They want to take any layer that lives between themselves and the consumer and make it free (or even less than free).' So don't measure the success of Google's new businesses by how much revenue or profit they generate directly but measure it by how much they shore up Google's core search business. 'Google is ... scorching the earth for 250 miles around the outside of the castle to ensure no one can approach it. And best I can tell, they are doing a damn good job of it.'"
Where's badanalogyguy when you need him? Or pizzaanalogyguy?
So a company having a successful business model and dominating the market is evil? Got it. If all markets were dominated by companies like Google, the world would be a much better place. Are they perfect? No. But they're trying dammit.
For the sole reason that MS's target audience can't tell the difference between an OS, a computer and a browser.
Look it up Google is a verb http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/google
Everyone remember: Google promises that they will do no evil, so you know it's true. After all... they say so.
Well, if I had to pick which one of the major software companies is the least evil, it would be Google. They're open source friendly, create innovative products, I've never read of Google patent trolling other companies, they generally have a good reputation.
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If it's been said once, it's been said a million times. Search isn't the product. Viewers are the product and they're being sold to advertisers. The moats are there to keep you in, not to keep other people out.
Yeah, I think less than free is meant to imply "them" paying "you" in the sense that Google will pay you to use their products. And frankly, they already do that to some extent. There are folks on YouTube with sponsored, or registered or partnered channels or something like that. Google pays those folks to keep producing YouTube content. Google AdSense is set up in such a way that you can slap it on your own blog or website or whatever and get paid to have random people click on the useless shit you have to spout off into the internet voids. I would even wager, though I am not entirely certain, that Google probably is willing to pay out some cash to Android app developers whose apps are used enough to generate advertising revenue were they to include some kind of embedded ad with the app.
So yes, Google "gives" you stuff for less than free in the same sense that your employer gives you the tools you need to do your job for "less than free." They pay you to utilize the tools they want you to use to produce a product that generates more profit for them.
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Besides, I thought Google's main focus was advertising, and search was just a delivery vehicle, just like Android, Docs, and everything else they give away for free.
Google provides API's that allow programmers to include ads in the software being distributed on Android. That API is "less than free" because the programmer can definitely make money off if it.
Now, I've only read the summary, but it strikes me that Search is *not* Google's castle. Ad sales is the castle, search is the ... the... quarry from which the rocks that build the castle are derived. Handily enough, the quarry is circular and moat-shaped.
Analogies are useful for explaining complex concepts to people using concepts that they're already familiar with.
What's complex about Google's business?
YOU are the product. Google sells YOUR eyeballs to advertisers.
Google attracts YOUR eyeballs by offering YOU "free" services. "Free" in that you do not pay for them.
Just look at /. !!! You can use it for free. The owners sell ads. You can also pay for the service.
Fuck castles and moats and all the other analogies. The analogies are more complex than the concept they're supposed to be explaining.
Microsoft's strategy has been establishing a lock-in to the Microsoft ecosystem. Google strategy is to disrupt lock-ins that would in turn potentially disrupt access to their core businesses.
We're still talking big business with both Google and Microsoft. But those who point out that Google is such a business and everything is about making money are missing the point. Google's actions might not be entirely altruistic but their strategy is considerably more in line with consumer rights, and many hacker sensibilities, than most in the industry.
RTFA, the clever article is making exactly that point.
Google's main revenue stream is advertising. Their main focus are web-based software technology products, particularly search. Much the same way that ABC or CBS also have a main revenue stream from advertising, but their main focus are entertainment video products.
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What impresses me the most about Google is that they, as a company, have consistently taken actions that demonstrate long-term thinking. They will try things that have no short-term profit, just because in the long run they might either make a profit or defend the company's interests.
From the beginning, Google has helped Firefox out financially; more recently, Google made its own web browser. Why? Because it wasn't in Google's best interest for Microsoft to have any kind of leverage over the Internet, or in particular over which search engine is the default on computers. Remember how much market share Internet Explorer used to have? Displacing it once seemed hopeless, but Google went for it.
Google has poured resources into Android and continues to give it away. Why? Because it wasn't in Google's best interest for Apple to have leverage over the cell phone market, or in particular over which search engine is the default on cell phones.
Google spent about $100 million to buy On2, and then gave away the intellectual property they had bought. Why? Because the FSF wrote an open letter... nah, just messing with you to see if you are paying attention. Because, in the long run, Google's YouTube needs a suitable video format. If YouTube's business utterly depends on patented technology such as H.264, Google will have no choice but to comply with any and all demands from the licensing authority. Google is willing to not only spend the $100 million, but to pay more people to keep working on WebM (doing things like free reference designs for hardware decoders). Google doesn't ever expect to make money on WebM; it's purely a defensive move, to control long-term costs in the future. (Well, also, Google has lots of geeks like us who want to help keep web standards open.)
Heck, go all the way back to the early days of Google. They took the time to write a complete vertically integrated software stack, one which allowed them to get reliable performance out of dirt-cheap off-the-shelf hardware. The reason Sun was printing money during the Internet boom was that everybody who wanted a web server would buy an expensive, reliable Sun box to run it on; not Google, they used the High Availability stuff on Linux, and the elegant Google MapReduce, to weld together masses of cheap motherboards into a powerful and reliable server operation.
Remember the news stories about Google buying up the "dark fiber"? Google bought a bunch of optical fiber with no immediate use. Long-term thinking: "the stuff is cheap now; we have the money now; someday we'll have a use for this."
Google has a lot of other products and features, but for the most part those are just fun sidelines. When you are as big as Google, you can afford to do some side projects just for the heck of it, and all the better if they actually turn a profit.
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They're very good at ensuring you're not locked in to them as well. You can export your data from pretty much any of their services. I think I read a while back where they have a 'free data team' whose job it is to ensure that's the case. Damn nice to see.
Then why would google publish an API that allows you to access their search back-end directly then? Why would Google offer an underground tunnel to their impenetrable "castle" for free?
Look at it like this: people always ask for a Kleenex, but Kimberly-Clark Worldwide Inc. is not a monopoly, even though there branding is synonymous with 'facial tissue' in common language. Same with dozens of other products; band-aid, Xerox, Asprin, velcro, and many others, its a genericized trademark. While most companys fight tooth and nail to prevent this from happening to there trademarks, Google has sort of let it slide.
Now, If Google was out buying up and/or forcing other search engines out of business (which it really has not, sure, some have fallen by the wayside, but there are more search engines than you can shake a stick at still) THEN it would be a monopoly.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
if google search is a dune buggy in a mad max movie, chrome is the leather clad hockey mask wearing psychopath in the gun turret, and android is that weird dude with the japanese mask suspended above his head snarling and leaping from one vehicle to the next. microsoft is tina turner. apple is mel gibson. do you understand yet?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Everyone remember: Google promises that they will do no evil, so you know it's true. After all... they say so.
Well, if I had to pick which one of the major software companies is the least evil, it would be Google. They're open source friendly, create innovative products, I've never read of Google patent trolling other companies, they generally have a good reputation.
Google also gives you free stuff and helps you find porn. How much questioning are you going to do of it?
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Customers are the people who pay you money, and products are the things that your customers is paying for. People who *don't* pay you are not your customers, and things that you give away for free is not your products.
Web technology companies have more complicated business models because it is usually not just about building something that you call "product" and sell it to your customers. Instead, most web sites use their core technology to build something that is free and give it away to people, who we call the users. When there are enough users, the websites turn the users into products and sell it to their customers.
Google is a typical example of such business model. Almost all of the Google "products" that we know today, including the search engine, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube, Android, Chrome, etc are NOT Google's products - because Google is giving them away freely. Free services are NOT products because there is no way to get money from it. To understand what is Google's products, we have to see where it's revenues come from - Adsense, that's right, is Google's real product.
But if Google Search et al. are not Google's products, does this mean that they are not important? No, because those are what allows Google to make great products - it's users. Google will continue to provide more free services to it's users as long as the added cost is believed to directly bring more revenue to Google.
Ok but everyone understands that, but what's the point of identifying what is product and what is not? Well, the notion of products and non-products is very important when it comes to competition. When a non-product enters an existing market to compete with other products, it becomes disruptive and can potentially make many competitors out of business. This is because non-product can be given away free but products can't.
This is why Gmail was disruptive to the email market because it was the first email service that do not rely on pro accounts as their product. Google identified that Gmail is not their product and therefore willing to provide so much storage space and features because they believed that doing so allows them to build better products (more users) and get more revenue from their customers (advertisers). When Gmail competed as a non-product, it became almost impossible for competitors to compete unless they changed their business model to something else other than pro accounts.
The same could be say for Microsoft IE vs Netscape. While Microsoft could be partly blamed for their anti-competitive practices, it is also clear that Netscape had a fatal business model of identifying the wrong thing as their product, making it failed to compete with IE when it became a non-product.
I had a hard time to understand how YouTube really works as a business, because it's so hard to understand how to pay for so much bandwidth just for users to watch free videos. But the answer is actually quite simple - YouTube is free because it is NOT Google's product.
If something is not your product, do NOT ever think of getting your money back from your users. Just give up your damn mind and give it away free generously, as long as you can make a product out of it.
You should have also realized that Android is not Google's product. But there is an important distinction on the business model between Android and iPhone - Google do realize that Android users are the product to sell to the App developers, who are the customers; but for Apple it's products are the iPhone and it's apps, and it's customers are the consumers who buy iPhones. The difference in business model makes it obvious how Android is different from iPhone - that Android developers are Google's top priority while Apple treats it's iPhone developers badly; Apple's iPhone is designe
So a company having a successful business model and dominating the market is evil? Got it. If all markets were dominated by companies like Google, the world would be a much better place. Are they perfect? No. But they're trying dammit.
Oh please, stop white-knighting for the multi-billion dollar international corporation. They aren't trying to be a force for good in the world. They're trying to make money.
Google does try to advertise itself as a force for good and that is part of the sales pitch to prospective recruits. There is some truth to it: in general, more open is more good. In general, don't be evil is a mighty good rule to live by. Now if veteran Googlers would just take that seriously, not just the starry eyed recruits, then Google might avoid going down the morality drain as Microsoft did.
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Google is ... scorching the earth for 250 miles around the outside of the castle to ensure no one can approach it. And best I can tell, they are doing a damn good job of it.
Perhaps my perception is skewed because I rarely use Google for searches any subject beyond technical research, but they have been going downhill lately. A couple of years ago I could input just about any error message or problem description and get relevant results. These days I'll be lucky to get two pages worth of one question that is kind of relevant to mine, repeated in eighteen different formats. The recent trend seems to be to leverage Usenet, or social.microsoft... and whatever "relevant" subject matter is there. Their search results have been gamed for the worse and they do not seem to have a solution to it. I have gone back to doing what I did before Google came around, going to the vendor's websites and support forums in search of answers. It is not completely Google's fault. It was only a matter of time before people figured out how to game the algorithm for profit.
I suppose that is the inevitable conclusion of trying to monetize something. It creates the incentive to game the system. My most recent non technical search was for bellini (the champagne cocktail). The first result was a children's furniture store. The second was a Wikipedia page. It wouldn't surprise me if the first result was paid for.
Yes. See http://www.dataliberation.org/
An analogy without a car?!
It's like a car without wheels!